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[00:00:18] <LeftWing> I suspect that putting things in header files must have been something that Sun had rules about, and so people would just do the "extern" definition where they needed it
[00:00:47] <LeftWing> We should err on the side of using header files, because the manual extern declarations are just inviting bugs
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[00:01:27] <wilbury> as the API might be unstable,i suspect
[00:01:53] <wilbury> or might have been unstable, therefore not published in headers
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[00:15:00] <wilbury> dev_t-typed variables are device driver instances?
[00:15:03] <wilbury> or minor numbers?
[00:16:03] <wilbury> ok, device number
[00:42:46] <andyf> jbk - just adding this to the gate header fixes compilation with nss 3.52, but I have no idea what testing would be necessary or how to do it - https://github.com/omniosorg/illumos-omnios/commit/0a2fc611c0
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[00:47:31] <ryoshu> hi
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[01:05:53] <rmustacc> wilbury: The dev_t typed variables are major/minor pairs. All instances of a driver share a single major number and have to coordinate the minor number space.
[01:09:11] <rmustacc> I suspect part of is_pseudo_device() being that way is the vast majority of things don't need to actually use it. A lot of what is documented and what is in header files are around what most leaf device drivers need and most don't need to know that kind of thing.
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[08:46:16] <strugee> hey all
[08:47:25] <strugee> I fixed a small problem in a manpage and am wondering if someone would be willing to run it through git-pbchk for me so I don't have to build all of illumos-gate
[08:48:37] <strugee> https://github.com/strugee/illumos-gate/tree/arcstat-manpage here's the branch
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[08:53:23] <strugee> also, question, can I just submit something to Review Board and expect to have someone look at it? https://illumos.org/docs/contributing/#code-review is pretty unclear as to how one is actually supposed to find code reviewers (seems like you can do it however you want but Review Board is intended to make it easy...?)
[08:55:32] <strugee> https://illumos.org/books/dev/integrating.html#introduction seems to kind of conflict with that though
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[08:57:18] <strugee> (happy to file a bug about these friction points somewhere if wanted since I know it can be hard to see them unless you're new to the process)
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[09:35:46] <wilbury> rmustacc: yes, i know what major and minor numbers are :-P but yes, makedevice() does the trick, where major and minor numbers can be read using getmajor() and getminor()
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[10:17:56] <wilbury> Entries present in proto area but not manifests:
[10:17:57] <wilbury> dir group=group mode=0755 owner=owner path=usr/4lib
[10:19:29] <toastersonerson> strugee (IRC): https://www.illumos.org/projects/illumos-gate/issues
[10:19:59] <toastersonerson> and you can best find reviewers via mailing list once you have uploaded it to review board or gerrit.
[10:20:19] <toastersonerson> we also have the old webrev which has better diffs for manpages
[10:24:47] <tsoome> wilbury, 12519 should have cleaned it, old gate?
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[11:39:25] <wilbury> tsoome: yes, with highest possibility. i'll sort it out later. now i'm an acting homeschool teacher.
[11:43:33] <ptribble> FYI https://mail.openjdk.java.net/pipermail/jdk-dev/2020-May/004292.html
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[12:40:21] <EisNerd> hm I get into trouble because of smb server performance it is now clear tha tit is worse than windows 2012 on an old hpe dl380 gen8
[12:41:32] <EisNerd> but currently I've to fix an esxi on a gen10, panics on boot since applied highly cirtical FW upgrade
[12:41:43] <EisNerd> I have a really bad day
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[13:41:55] <wilbury> ptribble: so end of java on solaris/illumos?
[13:42:32] <ptribble> From Oracle at any rate
[13:43:03] <ptribble> Note this doesn't affect any existing releases, it only covers upcoming versions
[13:44:24] <wilbury> oh yes, i see, jdk14 onwards.
[13:44:41] <wilbury> jdk15 onwards
[13:48:03] <ptribble> Most illumos distros haven't moved past jdk8 yet
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[13:54:35] <andyf> Can gate be built with anything newer yet?
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[14:17:15] <Agnar> well, the bellsoft binary builds of jdk8-13 work fine on illumos/x86 as on illumos/sparc for me.
[14:17:43] <Agnar> so I guess I have still some 10 years to migrate my java applications to something else
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[14:30:39] <Smithx10> lol
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[15:27:16] <Alasdair> ptribble I'm guessing the main pain they have relates to Sun Studio and SPARC rather than, say, gcc on x86 illumos/solaris
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[15:28:50] <ptribble> Indeed. It's unfortunate that the baby gets chucked out with the bathwater
[15:29:06] <Alasdair> How do the BSD folk deal with OpenJDK? Does OpenJDK officially support them?
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[15:30:07] <ptribble> They maintain their own port.
[15:30:39] <Alasdair> So I guess we could potentially lean on pkgsrc for support?
[15:30:42] <ptribble> There's an openjdk project for the bsd port, but the bsd work hasn't been merged to trunk
[15:31:00] <ptribble> I can imagine we could end up in a similar state
[15:31:35] <Alasdair> Hurrah for the Linux hegemony
[15:32:06] <ptribble> Well, the current gcc on illumos port is based on the pkgsrc work
[15:33:14] <Alasdair> Ahh so it's not the end of openjdk on illumos in general, just it's not going to be in the mainline trunk
[15:37:03] <ptribble> Older versions (as in up to 14, including the current 8 and 11 LTSes) will work as they currently do, possibly better if we work with openjdk
[15:37:44] <ptribble> Maintaining a port of newer versions might be possible, until we try it it's difficult to estimate the level of effort
[15:39:32] <ptribble> Ha. Oops. Current gate build fails with jdk11, because we specify java 1.4 compatibility in some places
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[15:43:08] <Agnar> 1.4??
[15:43:16] <Agnar> wbem? :))
[15:44:56] <ptribble> libadt_jni and poold
[15:45:31] <ptribble> It just looks like a forgotten leftover
[15:45:44] <Agnar> ah. poold
[15:45:50] <Agnar> forgot about that beast
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[16:03:48] <tsoome> so, java will be dead? or will we start our own port like bad does?
[16:03:52] <tsoome> bsd*
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[16:08:52] <ptribble> I've been laying the groundwork to get our own port going for about 6 months
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[16:10:30] <tsoome_> how much actually it needs studio?
[16:10:50] <tsoome> for sparc only?
[16:12:02] <tsoome> if they drop systems support, it means the name 'openjdk' is just misleading.
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[16:20:01] <tsoome> Woodstock I wonder if you could test the updated version of https://code.illumos.org/c/illumos-gate/+/483 :)
[16:20:21] <Agnar> welcome to 2020, where the Java support on Power and ARM is better than on SPARC
[16:22:24] <tsoome> well.. if we can not keep up even on x86.. :D
[16:22:36] <ptribble> It's all about how much people are prepared to invest
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[16:26:49] <Agnar> my skills are just to low to really hack jre/jdk. It's enough to fix minor OS stuff, but I fail already on dladm ;)
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[16:48:13] <tsoome> eyes for https://code.illumos.org/c/illumos-gate/+/522 ?:)
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[16:57:20] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 12028 zfs test mdb_001_pos can fail -- Sara Hartse <sara.hartse at delphix dot com>
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[17:15:35] <rmustacc> wilbury: Fair enough. You were asking about how things fit together, so I erred on the side of more information than less.
[17:16:20] <rmustacc> Is the person who was working .net still around? I put together a uchar.h implementation for that.
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[17:28:17] <ptribble> After a couple of failed attempts, I can get the gate to build with openjdk 11
[17:29:01] <ptribble> It's a little bit of a mess though, a couple of things have changed
[17:29:23] <ptribble> Do we have anyone still building the gate with java 7?
[17:30:00] <tsoome_> I’d like to be able to build java:P
[17:31:04] <ptribble> on x86 or sparc?
[17:31:28] <tsoome_> sparc:D
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[17:31:45] <tsoome_> I assume it can be built on x86
[17:33:24] <ptribble> Should be straightforward to build java8 with Studio, even on sparc
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[17:42:34] <ryoshu> rmustacc: does .net need uchar.h now?
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[17:48:40] <rmustacc> ryoshu: There was a user porting it and it wanted it. However, it appeared that they had done some work to make sure it worked without having it, so it wasn't required.
[17:49:05] <rmustacc> But I figured that was a good reason to add it.
[17:50:56] <ryoshu> rmustacc where is your patch?
[17:51:52] <rmustacc> ryoshu: https://code.illumos.org/c/illumos-gate/+/643
[17:52:56] <rmustacc> The standard defines some things a little looser than I'd like in some areas, but how it goes.
[17:53:50] <ryoshu> is wchar_t = utf32 on illumos?
[17:53:56] <rmustacc> Effectively, yes.
[17:54:10] <rmustacc> But it depends on the locale.
[17:54:14] <rmustacc> It is a 32-bit value.
[17:54:24] <ryoshu> what does effectively mean here
[17:54:34] <ryoshu> so is it locale dependent?
[17:54:39] <ryoshu> utf32 is locale independent
[17:54:43] <rmustacc> If you're in an iso8859-* locale it doesn't get converted into a utf value.
[17:54:52] <rmustacc> Or similar with others.
[17:54:55] <rmustacc> So it's a locale dependend value.
[17:55:26] <rmustacc> Hence why the same is true for these and thus we don't define the macros that claim it's always a utf16/utf32 value in uchar.h.
[17:55:50] <ryoshu> you need wchar_t=utf for uchar.h
[17:56:51] <wilbury> rmustacc: yeah, that's very kind from you.
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[17:57:51] <rmustacc> ryoshu: So, at least the C11 standard says the encoding of the char16_t/char32_t is implementation defined if __STDC_UTF_16__, etc. aren't defined. I don't think it's the best answer, but seems a fairly reasonable compromise.
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[18:00:46] <rmustacc> I guess the alternative approach is an implicit iconv for these, which is an option to consider.
[18:00:52] <rmustacc> And then always defining it.
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[18:22:21] <KungFuJesus> Just curious, what are the odds that a T4 system would work with a SPARC compiled illumos right now?
[18:23:14] <KungFuJesus> I think it's a niagara system that was made after they closed the gate, but looking at Linux's code, there's not a whole lot of "niagara4" specific code other than some performance counters
[18:27:57] <rmustacc> IIRC tsoome_ has it in an ldom at least as a starting point.
[18:28:33] <ptribble> T4 should work on bare metal as long as you assemble the distro correctly
[18:28:56] <ptribble> (something I've now failed to do twice in a row, sadly)
[18:29:02] <tsoome_> T4 should be quite ok
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[18:34:23] <KungFuJesus> interestingly...it's tantalizingly cheap on ebay right now, though not as cheap as when I acquired the T5120 (and at that point it was even still supported by Oracle)
[18:34:39] <KungFuJesus> the touted performance improvements over T2 and T3 make it kind of attractive
[18:35:46] <KungFuJesus> It's the first uarch of the T series (or even SPARC, I think) to support out of order execution
[18:37:19] <KungFuJesus> Though, it's $200-$300 for something that will probably eat into my power bill quite a bit even if I do cater an application toward it. The tech hoarder in me wants to jump on it, but the adult me paying the bills doesn't. I'm torn
[18:44:03] <KungFuJesus> tsoome_: How much better is the T4 over using a T2? And more importantly, how much louder is it?
[18:45:08] <tsoome_> much. but it is rack server, do not put it under your bed:)
[18:45:31] <KungFuJesus> The problem is my rack sits < 3 feet behind me at my desk
[18:45:33] <ptribble> The reason I have T2s at home is because I replaced them with T4s at work years ago. The performance delta was massive.
[18:46:04] <KungFuJesus> datasheet says about 70 dB at full load
[18:46:33] <tsoome_> rough estimate from that era is that T3 is 2x T2, and T4 is 2x T3
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[18:47:10] <andyf> I never saw a T3.. got some T4-1 boxes and one T5
[18:47:11] <KungFuJesus> damn it, you were supposed to convince me I didn't want one of these
[18:47:14] <KungFuJesus> lol
[18:47:35] <tsoome_> :)
[18:48:09] <KungFuJesus> I really shouldn't, but I don't think the aftermarket price will come down much more than it is
[18:48:26] <ptribble> I'm sorely tempted to get a T4, the T5140 is appallingly slow as soon as you hit the serial part of any build
[18:49:33] <tsoome_> of curse thats why oracle did drop old T’s
[18:49:34] <KungFuJesus> I don't even think I have the power budget here to run them both at the same time. It'd definitely be an either/or situation
[18:50:07] <KungFuJesus> I feel like I haven't done anything interesting enough with the T2 yet, though
[18:51:14] <Alasdair> Yeah I bought a Power Mac 8500 for £50 off ebay, and I've barely used it and I'm eyeing up PowerMac 9600s on eBay and I'm like "but you didn't use the last one"
[18:52:11] <KungFuJesus> I bought the bees knees quad G5 (late 2006 model) and built something for work on it. It got me benchmarks for what could be done on a flight platform, at least
[18:52:58] <KungFuJesus> oh and I've made some patches to legacy doom to make it work, benefits all big endian systems, I guess. There's a weird bug in Nouveau that causes endianness to randomly swap on textures that I've been meaning to chase down but haven't had time, even amidst all this quarantine stuff
[18:53:20] <Alasdair> Interesting :-)
[18:53:41] <Alasdair> The Quad G5s are extremely good at converting electricity into heat
[18:53:46] <Alasdair> Good in winter
[18:53:46] <KungFuJesus> heh, right now I'm actually uninverting the inversion by telling OpenGL to byte swap
[18:54:24] <Alasdair> Whereas the G3 500MHz card I installed in my PowerMac 8500 has a smaller heatsink than the 180MHz 604e that it replaced, and no fan
[18:54:54] <Alasdair> Poor Apple/IBM/Motorolla PowerPC alliance, it all went a bit wrong around the GHz mark
[18:55:04] <KungFuJesus> https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/issues/1167
[18:58:37] <KungFuJesus> Alasdair: I have the biege powermac g3 tower that directly succeeded the 9600. Pitifully slow, just prior to openfirmware so it had to be bootstrapped from mac os 8.6
[18:58:59] <KungFuJesus> I feel the new world macs are way easier to deal with
[18:59:03] <Alasdair> That's a nice case design :-) and it has a ZIF socket iirc
[18:59:27] <Alasdair> I like the pre-openfirmware era, more fun, more nostalgic
[19:00:49] <KungFuJesus> I remember the CPU socket being pretty bog standard. The CMOS batter is probably on its way to leaktown by this point, it's sitting in my parents' basement
[19:02:05] <Alasdair> I recapped my 8500, there was about 30 surface mount capacitors, never seen a motherboard with more SMD electrolytic caps
[19:02:58] <KungFuJesus> Powermac G5 has some level of 3d acceleration, which is something rare of these now vintage variations of the ISA. I was stuck at a particular kernel, though, yaboot just stopped working at some point and I've been meaning to try to track down which revision it might have been
[19:14:47] <neirac> I'm trying to create a zone but I'm getting this error ERROR: No zonepath dataset; the zonepath must be a ZFS dataset.
[19:14:47] <neirac> , the zonepath was created using zfs create rpool/<ds> ; what else could I check
[19:21:07] <Alasdair> neirac Can you paste.ec your shell history
[19:21:21] <Alasdair> bit hard to diagnose without more info
[19:25:24] <KungFuJesus> tsoome_: so Illumos should work on bare metal with T4?
[19:26:16] <tsoome_> I can not *claim* it will because I have not done so, but it most likely will.
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[19:31:19] <neirac> Alasdair I'm sorry I just recreated the datasets now is working, I don't know why
[19:33:56] <neirac> Alasdair no, it did not work here is what I havee : https://paste.ec/paste/73lwPMK7#9ZF3-Lbn2BLaYrY/++sKCTFPT9dlV3FuDdtuUVrpwo9
[19:35:35] <KungFuJesus> so basically some kstats might be missing, but the boot platform is otherwise the same?
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[19:55:58] <neirac> Alasdair I manually created the datasets, the error is this one https://paste.ec/paste/YThPbJ1f#cYZigTd+Vs2mCaVUPuEjU42CRH84PtDwR7gjf3q-PUB
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[20:42:37] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 12669 Add omitted word in vmstat man page -- Nan Xiao <nan at chinadtrace dot org>
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[21:12:18] <toastersonerson> neirac (IRC): does it work if you first unzip the dataset?
[21:13:01] <neirac> toastersonerson I just found out the the image was not valid, the error message is misleading though
[21:15:02] <neirac> toastersonerson I miss a lot of time to found out this
[21:15:10] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 12670 Unaligned output of snoop's usage() function -- Nan Xiao <nan at chinadtrace dot org>
[21:21:55] <neirac> toastersonerson I have not touch yet go-zone for the illumos brand, is the lx brand working using podadm?
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[21:36:47] <toastersonerson> neirac (IRC): no dns and ip setup inside the zone will fail
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[21:59:01] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 12666 libproc manpage bugs -- Robert Mustacchi <rm at fingolfin dot org>
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[22:15:39] <idodeclare> @rmustacc, curious future CommitDates: 282d4a2 CommitDate: Mon May 4 20:17:55 2020 -0700
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[22:19:10] <rmustacc> Hmm. I'll have to check ntp I guess.
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[22:27:58] <wilbury> tsoome__: my 4lib problem disappeared after complete nightly (i'm using nightly -i for regular builds)
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[22:38:26] <wilbury> oh i managed to upgrade tmux to 3.1a in oi/hipster
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[23:18:52] <ypankov> just noticed the following printed to console, it doesn't really need to be there? NOTICE: hma_vmx_init: CPU does not support VMX
[23:20:21] <rmustacc> That one probably not. If it's locked in the BIOS, that might be more useful.
[23:23:44] <ypankov> Indeed.
[23:24:07] <ypankov> rmustacc: while you are here, could you please take another look at the utempter stuff?
[23:27:30] <rmustacc> ypankov: Will do. Sorry that slipped my mind.
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[23:28:04] <rmustacc> I'll try to take a look tonight/tomorrow morning. Is there anything else other than that I owe you?
[23:29:55] <ypankov> No, just that, I *think* I did all requested changes.
[23:33:51] <rmustacc> I'll go through it. Sorry for the delay.
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[23:44:24] <azarus> I'm facing an issue: inside an LX brand zone, a program is trying to call timerfd_create()
[23:45:00] <azarus> Now that requires the privilege proc_clock_highres, and I've tried to set that with zonecfg in limitpriv=
[23:45:10] <azarus> Sadly that has brought me to success. Any hints?
[23:45:34] <azarus> me to no success*
[23:47:14] <rmustacc> Hmm. So some work was done to drop that privilege being required.
[23:47:36] <azarus> Yeah, I'm using OmniOS r151034.
[23:48:07] <rmustacc> I'm not sure too much about what it has or not there, sorry.
[23:48:10] <azarus> Which was released yesterday
[23:48:31] <azarus> Ah, no worries
[23:49:03] <rmustacc> I thought I had done work to get rid of the requirement of that for using the high res cock and clamping instead.
[23:49:17] <rmustacc> Or rather, that someone had and I had gotten that into illumos for them.
[23:49:26] <azarus> Yeah, I thought so too.
[23:49:28] <rmustacc> But I'll have to track that down at some point.
[23:49:40] <azarus> It still doesn't seem to work... it works as root though.
[23:49:59] <rmustacc> I suspect I didn't get that into illumos. Not sure if that'd be in Omni or not.
[23:50:01] <azarus> So I'm wondering if perhaps assigning the privilege is still possible.
[23:50:13] <rmustacc> In this case, that privilege isn't a default privilege.
[23:50:19] <azarus> That's true, yes
[23:50:31] <rmustacc> So if you run ppriv from /native you'll probably see that the process isn't running with the priv.
[23:50:38] <rmustacc> But if you run it with it, it should probably work.
[23:50:47] <azarus> Yes, I've seen that privilege missing.
[23:51:22] <azarus> Sadly I'm not familiar at all with modifying privileges :c
[23:52:10] <azarus> I'll check with the docs.
[23:52:33] <rmustacc> Take a look at the ppriv command for running something with a different privilege set.
[23:53:04] <toastersonerson> azarus (IRC): If the program runs under SMF or a service manager you will also need to ensure that framework does not drop the priv.
[23:53:04] <azarus> Okay, I'll do that. Thank you.
[23:53:35] <toastersonerson> If the priv is available in the zone you must also run it via pfexec to make sure they are applied to the account/role
[23:55:41] <azarus> Oookay. Inside the zone I tried to run /native/usr/bin/pfexec, but that reported:
[23:55:46] <azarus> pfexecd not running; pid 2283 privileges not elevated
[23:56:12] <rmustacc> Yeah, in lx, I don't think pfexec would work.
[23:56:28] <azarus> Makes sense
[23:56:36] <rmustacc> But it looks like that work from Jerry wasn't upstreamed. I'll follow up with some folks on that.
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