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[00:47:46] <rmustacc> Anyone happen to have a discrete I350 PCIe card?
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[01:32:12] <jbk> sjorge: you around?
[01:41:03] <tomww> rmustacc: I believe yes, something to lookup?
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[01:44:17] <rmustacc> tomww: So some i350s have both an internal temperature sensor and an external temperature sensor. Because the i350 I have in a recent system is only onboard, it doesn't have the external one and kind of curious if it actually exists in the wild.
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[01:48:21] <tomww> any way to test/lookup this?
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[01:48:55] <rmustacc> That's a great question.
[01:49:13] <rmustacc> Let me see how I was reading it and see if that's easy to get at at all.
[01:49:18] <tomww> :) its on my workstation, so I can boot any OS that helps
[01:50:14] <tomww> if you have something to test, then drop me a note. I'll be back in 10 hours or so (night time here in the EU)
[01:52:58] <rmustacc> I'll figure that out. Thanks for letting me know.
[01:55:57] <tomww> YW
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[03:49:59] <LeftWing> ypankov: Are these codepoints width 1 in Powerline at least?
[03:50:15] <LeftWing> And did Debian do punct or graph?
[03:51:36] <LeftWing> Ahh, "print punct graph"
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[03:53:31] <ypankov> Yep, I compared with what linux does
[03:54:25] <LeftWing> Well this is a morass! It feels stubborn not to wade in on principle though haha
[03:54:56] <LeftWing> Maybe Unicode will standardise it post hoc later
[03:56:45] <rmustacc> Feels unlikely that they will at this point.
[03:57:35] <LeftWing> Well that is very frustrating
[03:58:32] <rmustacc> Some folks have been trying to do things like fonts for the tolkien symbology (tengwar, cirith), and that's not happened.
[03:58:39] <rmustacc> So there's even an unofficial registry for the private use area.
[03:59:02] <ypankov> heh
[03:59:25] <rmustacc> Which makes the width 1 / printable thing even more of a mess. But it's probably the best one's got.
[04:16:52] <LeftWing> So one question: can we change our minds later without snookering ourselves?
[04:17:22] <LeftWing> And is the cost of just doing whatever both FreeBSD and Debian are doing then rather low?
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[04:20:54] <ypankov> I don't see any reports of anything being broken for the former after 6 months, and linux does that likely much longer, with much wider user base (not trying to say it's any kind of standard, but anyway)
[04:21:45] <ypankov> And if we want to re-think it later for some reason, no problem, it doesn't set it in stone
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[05:40:05] <LeftWing> ypankov: Yeah I think that all makes sense
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[07:15:40] <LeftWing> Is there a reason (other than that nobody has bothered) that we are still on Unicode 9?
[07:29:10] <tsoome> time and motivation.
[07:29:43] <LeftWing> Fair enough
[07:30:08] <LeftWing> I mean, it's Unicode, so I wouldn't be surprised to find there was some way in which the newer files were less convenient :P
[07:32:03] <tsoome> well, by my knowledge only yurip has done (recently) somewhat related work. so, if anyone else is jumping in, he/she needs to learn this all first.
[07:32:43] <LeftWing> Yes I am currently reading the documentation for the Unicode data files
[07:36:37] <ypankov> I'd say we are at unicode 5 if you look at u8_* functions, used by smb and zfs, IIRC
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[07:39:41] <LeftWing> As distinct from the locale information?
[07:52:01] <ypankov> Yes, those have own tables, with some cryptic format
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[08:15:15] <sjorge> jbk: I was not, it was 1:30 at the time
[08:15:35] <sjorge> I am now though, intermittent for the next 10h or so
[08:16:50] <jbk> i'm about to go to sleep.. but was going to give IA on the two changes -- not sure if it'll let you push the green button or not, but you'll need to update the illumos-joyent one (which if I give IA first, GH will remove it)
[08:17:17] <jbk> so if you have a few minutes
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[08:20:26] <LeftWing> ypankov: Alright I've been on a journey of Unicode discoveyr
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[08:24:29] <sjorge> Let’s see if I can on mobile, just On my way! Back from the bread vending machine
[08:24:39] <jbk> ok
[08:25:13] <sjorge> Seems I can hit the update branch
[08:25:29] <jbk> yeah..
[08:25:30] <sjorge> Done for the illumos-Joyent one
[08:25:38] <jbk> smartos-live shouldn't need it
[08:26:03] <sjorge> Indeed
[08:26:07] <jbk> if you can click the green button, just be sure to add teh 'Reviewed by: ..' and 'Approved by: ...' lines
[08:26:09] <sjorge> No button at all haha
[08:26:31] <sjorge> Ah I just had ‘update branch from master’
[08:26:41] <sjorge> I can’t actually merge at all I think
[08:26:47] <jbk> yeah, the GH ui is a bit slow to update
[08:26:55] <jbk> if you reload now, do you see it?
[08:27:20] <sjorge> Yep, looks like someone with write needs to do the actually merge
[08:27:20] <jbk> (if not, I can do it, but figure you might like to if it'll allow you)
[08:27:23] <jbk> oh ok
[08:28:24] <sjorge> https://share.icloud.com/photos/0oSSWq2aphwAFyAilgvxPE-dg
[08:28:28] <jbk> and it kept your name :)
[08:28:40] <sjorge> It’s only for people in the Joynent org
[08:28:55] <sjorge> It should yes, gh is smart enough
[08:29:34] <sjorge> Thanks for merging
[08:29:55] <sjorge> I’ll figure out what I need to drop patch set wise on my build box later :p
[08:30:06] <jbk> well GH is a bit annoying in that if I have a commit w/ a different author, and open the PR, it replaces the author with whoever opens the PR
[08:30:11] <sjorge> I think... I can drop all of them with this and the pam_list one merged
[08:30:12] <jbk> so wasn't sure what it'd do there
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[08:32:28] <sjorge> Ok back to work I go, goodnight jbk
[08:36:40] <jbk> night
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[09:44:18] <EisNerd> tsoome: you know if you stare too long on NULL pointers, they will start to stare back at YOU!
[09:44:26] <EisNerd> ;)
[09:44:41] <tsoome> yes. fortunately the end is closing.
[09:45:25] <tsoome> 16 more:P
[09:46:22] <EisNerd> btw someone an idea how to get the nvme namespace management stuff on an oi to give it a test?
[09:46:43] <tsoome> is there a patch?
[09:51:01] <EisNerd> https://www.illumos.org/issues/12075
[09:51:58] <tsoome> so you need to get it built
[09:53:31] <tsoome> I'd suggest to write top winder and ask if he can provide binaries, then you can test in BE:)
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[09:54:01] <EisNerd> yep already did, lets see when he comes back
[09:54:11] <tsoome> aye.
[09:54:56] <EisNerd> also I still have the problem with my mirrored RPOOL I had to move to another box as the original one failed
[09:55:21] <EisNerd> there have to be a canonical solution
[09:56:06] <EisNerd> all I see so far is to logically destroy the second disk and then provide it as replacement for it self
[09:56:42] <EisNerd> which sounds already strange
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[11:28:29] <jlevon> andyf: hey, want to add a copyright on that zone did thing? optional but someone suggested I ask
[11:30:25] <andyf> No, I'm fine without thanks
[11:31:31] <jlevon> ok ta
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[12:33:20] <jimklimov> EisNerd: can you extend the rpool to 3 disks, mirror from the one actually working, and then remove the other? like with hot-spare effectively?
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[12:34:47] <jimklimov> and of course, for canonical solutions there's "zfs send" into a LiveUSB instance that creates the new empty rpool on your new box :)
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[13:42:50] <wilbury> does illumos have any possibility to create device links "on demand"? like, opening a not-yet-existing device will trigger an event for devfsadmd that will tringger an attach() in device driver?
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[13:53:09] <Woodstock> iirc the directory lookup before the open should already trigger the attach() if there's anything there
[13:54:06] <Woodstock> but thats really sdev in the kernel, not devfsadmd
[13:56:48] <wilbury> i already have dtrace running to see which entry points are called when
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[16:22:13] <Aram> alanc: around?
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[16:36:04] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 12585 insufficient validation in svccfg for service name -- John Levon <john.levon at joyent dot com>
[16:41:25] <rmustacc> wilbury: So, the answer to that is not really. But depending on what you need there are different ways. Basically if something has never created a special file, then nothing will ever come and ask for it back really. What Woodstock was describing is really a side effect of how /devices (not sdev) works in conjunction with the fact that modules are unloadable.
[16:41:51] <toastersonerson> yay my bugs fixed :)
[16:42:04] <toastersonerson> Also I love out bots name in redmine.
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[16:45:25] <rmustacc> Ultimately with more glue, it is possible to have an action that occurs under /dev trigger something, though an attach is more complicated than other activities.
[16:53:19] <wilbury> rmustacc: yes, i already figured it out. nevermind, i'll take different approach.
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[16:58:25] <wilbury> freebsd devfs works a bit differently than /devices
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[17:01:34] <rmustacc> What is the behavior you want?
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[17:02:24] <rmustacc> It sounds like you logically want to be able to create an new mdnd state by going to something like /dev/mdnd/foo?
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[17:11:48] <wilbury> rmustacc: yes, exactly.
[17:12:02] <wilbury> non-existing device will trigger its creation
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[17:14:47] <wilbury> and existing will be opened
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[17:23:42] <rmustacc> It is possible to write custom glue to cause that.
[17:23:47] <rmustacc> But I'd worry about that once everything else is good.
[17:24:11] <rmustacc> And the way it would work is that it probably wouldn't attach a new instance, but rather something would open up and ioctl your control device to create a new named instance or similar.
[17:24:49] <rmustacc> Anyways, nothing's impossible. It's just software and how much work you want to put in.
[17:29:08] <EisNerd> quick question is there some solution to maintain a search index on data smb-shared from OI?
[17:30:04] <EisNerd> jimklimov: no as zpool refuses the disk as it belongs to an active zpool
[17:30:49] <EisNerd> jimklimov: the system was defect, so I put the disks in another box, expecting that ZFS will find the disks automagically as they are well labled
[17:31:34] <EisNerd> and yes they are well labled, resulting in ZFS refusing the second disk as it is connected over a different path than before
[17:32:31] <EisNerd> normally ZFS is intended to be able to resolv such on its own, by being able to identify the disks based on the meta information placed on them
[17:33:45] <EisNerd> so effectively your rpool mirror breaks if you plug a disk on another SATA Port on your board
[17:34:14] <EisNerd> I thought ZFS was designed to overome such stupids of HW raids
[17:34:16] <tsoome> for data pools, only hostid matters.
[17:35:19] <tsoome> for boot pools, the path only matters in sense that (until recently) we only depend on path to actually open the device.
[17:36:10] <tsoome> with recent kernel and simple pool, the paths should not really matter.
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[17:43:33] <EisNerd> how recent?
[17:44:13] <EisNerd> I can update and check
[17:44:47] <EisNerd> maybe a viable solution could be to prepare a boot stick, boot from stick and import the pool
[17:45:14] <EisNerd> this should be sufficient to rescan for the devices
[17:47:31] <ypankov> EisNerd: after this change: https://github.com/illumos/illumos-gate/commit/30c304d9746f4a048a7de56d31333b0fa8e43dee
[17:53:30] <EisNerd> ok, this I think I don't have yet
[17:53:46] <EisNerd> I'll update the system and then give it a try
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[18:05:36] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 12537 dcs: NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
[18:10:42] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 12624 add_drv crashes when given many aliases -- Andy Fiddaman <omnios at citrus-it dot co.uk>
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[18:15:55] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 12362 audio: buffer overflow -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
[18:26:19] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 12535 luxadm: NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
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[21:49:13] <wilbury> rmustacc: i'll just write a small utility to instrument ioctl() routine to do the creation
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[22:32:09] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 12525 unix: sparc is missing do_hotinlines() -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
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[22:57:29] <LeftWing> toastersonerson: It is a reference to a character in a Douglas Adams novel!
[23:00:40] <toastersonerson> Interesting did not know about Dirk Gently's I saw the series but did not know it was from Douglas Adams
[23:00:53] <toastersonerson> Nice reference.
[23:03:39] <LeftWing> "The electric monk was a labour-saving device, like a dishwasher or a video recorder ..."
[23:06:03] <toastersonerson> Ok that makes no sense with the description on wikipedia. UNless I am totally sleep deprived I could have sworn I read an Electric monk and a horse found a door to earh. Now I imagine a dishwasher on a horse.
[23:06:16] <jlevon> I mean, it is a douglas adams plot
[23:06:29] <jlevon> I can't remember if that's the sofa one
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[23:07:46] <toastersonerson> And now I am thinking about a Dishwasher with a gun because of the same Wikipedia text XD
[23:09:23] <LeftWing> jlevon: It is the same novel, yes
[23:09:47] <LeftWing> Both the book and the relatively recent radio dramatisation are both quite good
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[23:20:05] <toastersonerson> Is anybody familiar with a sysinfo api?
[23:20:22] <toastersonerson> should get things like the boottime
[23:22:15] <rmustacc> As in the system call?
[23:22:35] <toastersonerson> yes freebsd has this https://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=sysinfo&apropos=0&sektion=3&manpath=FreeBSD+9-current&format=html
[23:22:46] <toastersonerson> kubernetes uses it in a certain spot
[23:22:56] <toastersonerson> but only uptime
[23:22:57] <rmustacc> I see. So that's rather different.
[23:23:06] <rmustacc> sysinfo(2) is a system call here about the platform.
[23:23:21] <rmustacc> Most information is available through other interfaces.
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[23:23:33] <rmustacc> You only care about the uptime?
[23:23:59] <toastersonerson> yes only uptime
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[23:48:50] <ypankov> w(1) does it in a rather strange way: http://src.illumos.org/source/xref/illumos-gate/usr/src/cmd/w/w.c#323
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[23:57:18] <LeftWing> ypankov: It's using a utmp record of the boot time there, right?
[23:57:26] <ypankov> yes
[23:57:37] <ypankov> it has to go through them anyway, so it's harmless
[23:57:47] <ypankov> though I wonder if there's less involved way :)
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[23:58:25] <LeftWing> For what it's worth, the `unix:0:system_misc:boot_time` kstat exists
[23:59:44] <LeftWing> It's the UNIX time in seconds at which we believe we booted
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