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[00:26:13] <am11> in `sys/sysconfig.h`, is `_CONFIG_SEM_VALUE_MAX` the correct macro to use for semaphore name length?
[00:26:20] <am11> the comment says "max. value a semaphore may have"
[00:28:34] <jbk> generally semaphores hold numbers
[00:29:08] <jbk> (and seem to operate backwards from the way I intiutively want them to work :P)
[00:29:36] <jbk> so the larger context might be helpful
[00:31:05] <am11> i am trying to find best option for https://github.com/dotnet/runtime/blob/2c87db6/src/coreclr/src/pal/src/thread/process.cpp#L197-L203
[00:31:40] <am11> if i use MAXNAMLEN, then assertion on line 205 fails, because MAX_PATH is 255 (set in pal.h)
[00:32:11] <am11> MAXNAMLEN is 512
[00:32:20] <am11> (in /usr/include/dirent.h)
[00:34:31] <am11> for Linux it is set to 251 (MAX_NAME is 255), on NetBSD it is hardcoded to 15.. and macos is https://github.com/st3fan/osx-10.9/blob/34e34a6/xnu-2422.1.72/bsd/sys/posix_sem.h#L54
[00:34:44] <jbk> MAX_PATH ? or PATH_MAX ?
[00:35:23] <am11> MAX_PATH on line 205
[00:36:19] <am11> the assertion is saying "max name of __file__ shouldn't be greater than max path", which is weird as the name belongs to semaphore in this context?
[00:36:52] <jbk> i mean.. MAX_PATH isn't something that's defined by the system
[00:37:29] <am11> yup, it is defined in their pal.h (platform abstraction layer's main header)
[00:37:33] <jbk> the <limits.h> defined PATH_MAX (1024)
[00:37:53] <am11> it is abstraction over windows'ism, and max path is a notorious fact of windOS :)
[00:38:18] <jbk> if that's the case, just use MAX_PATH then
[00:38:32] <am11> +1, thanks
[00:39:57] <am11> and the justification comment would say something to the effect that "MAXNAMLEN on Solaris is 512, which is greater than MAX_PATH defined in pal.h"?
[00:40:14] <jbk> yeah, i think that'd be fine
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[01:22:02] <richlowe> LeftWing: ssh ... gerrit query is really cool
[01:22:30] <LeftWing> It sure is! I have scripted against it before for simple queries
[01:23:16] <LeftWing> There's a web API too that is pretty reasonable for making tools
[01:23:33] <LeftWing> I'm looking at a buildomat in my spare moments
[01:24:22] <richlowe> I should check the REST api too, I was just going to auto-add review URLs to my RTI script
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[01:34:14] <Smithx10> Anyone know a good free "vizio" like thingie
[01:34:23] <Smithx10> I need to make some diagrams for a manager
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[01:40:03] <LeftWing> Smithx10: yEd maybe?
[01:56:03] <ypankov> Draw in libreoffice?
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[02:01:52] <richlowe> Well, so far I completely missed code review from rmustacc, ran 'git rebase' with a nightly running, and then my 'e' key fell off.
[02:01:58] <richlowe> what a productive day
[02:03:29] <richlowe> I wonder if there's a git command to lock the working copy
[02:43:53] <LeftWing> I suspect it would be pretty easy to have a wrapper first in your PATH which used a marker file as an interlock
[02:44:08] <richlowe> yeah, I mean, I know what the lock file name is
[02:44:14] <richlowe> it just seemed like maybe there was a real way
[02:44:20] <richlowe> since git is such a spray of random binaries
[02:44:37] <LeftWing> It would be a good feature
[02:44:46] <richlowe> and if I were to do it in nightly, it seemed better to do it right
[02:45:30] <andyf> I usually run nightly in a zfs clone of my checkout
[02:45:46] <andyf> only because it stops me doing the same mistake... (and let me run a few in parallel)
[02:46:11] <richlowe> I used to do magic, in the Hg days
[02:46:27] <richlowe> maybe I should again
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[03:06:15] <am11> looks like the gcc assembler on smartos is not happy with this code: http://sprunge.us/JtSgeW, it compiles on linux, bsd and so on.
[03:06:52] <am11> `curl http://sprunge.us/JtSgeW -o test.s && gcc -c test.s` gives `test.s:291: Error: unbalanced parenthesis in operand 1.`
[03:07:03] <am11> i think QNX guys were having similar issue
[03:07:25] <am11> (not sure whether they resolved it)
[03:08:37] <am11> although `alloc_stat` macro is defined on line 71.
[03:08:49] <am11> s/stat/stack
[03:14:18] <am11> ah that divide issue, so with `gcc -c test.s -Wa,--divide` it compiles on smartos
[03:14:45] <am11> (weirdly same gcc v7 wasn't complaining about it on linux)
[03:15:55] <richlowe> maybe different default behaviour to try to be more sun as compatible?
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[03:27:11] <am11> yup, most likely the case. both environments are have empty $CFLAGS and same version of gcc.
[03:28:59] <am11> dotnet clr team's recommended compiler toolchain is llvm, we added gcc support last year to support environments where llvm toolchain is not readily available. e.g. pkgin is yet to port LLDB for Illumos.
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[03:57:28] <despair86> am i the only one getting weird GIR link errors
[03:57:30] <despair86> ld.so.1: gimp-2.8: fatal: relocation error: file /usr/bin/gimp-2.8: symbol g_cclosure_marshal_VOID__VOID: referenced symbol not found
[03:57:54] <despair86> random GTK+ stuff isn't wired up properly after updating past 2020.04
[03:58:13] <despair86> GIMP, hexchat among other things
[04:06:10] <Riastradh> Was binutils updated recently, by any chance?
[04:07:53] <despair86> yeah
[04:07:58] <despair86> v2.33.1
[04:08:08] <despair86> had v2.31.1 for the longest time
[04:09:05] <despair86> and i usually got around random binutils breakage by using clang (with its integrated assembler), rebuilding GCC to use /usr/ccs/bin/as, or just straight-up using sun studio
[04:09:57] <Riastradh> binutils update recently broke .o compatibility with a symptom like that in NetBSD. I had to clean objdirs.
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[04:32:56] <ypankov> despair86: https://www.illumos.org/issues/12521 ?
[04:43:55] <despair86> ohh
[04:44:12] <despair86> i checked the bug tracker before i showed up here, must have missed it
[04:45:16] <despair86> thanks
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[05:12:07] <despair86> yep that fixed it
[05:12:09] <despair86> thanks
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[11:23:39] <v_a_b> KungFuJesus tsoome Yesterday there was some discussion about OI for SPARC. Are you using Gary Mill's OI build for SPARC that he published last November, or are you restarting from scratch?
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[12:23:55] <tsoome_> v_a_b I actually have 2 instances, tribblix and oi
[12:24:18] <tsoome_> and yes, for OI, I did start with gmills.
[12:25:52] <tsoome_> the thing is, for gate builds I need simple updates and pkg does give me just that so I do not have to spend too much time with such tasks.
[12:26:49] <tsoome_> however, as it did turn out, both tribblix and oi have issues of their own, so I still had and will have to spend excessive amount of time to get things actually usable
[12:28:45] <tsoome_> for OI I do have repos with published packages, *almost* usable to build oi-userland. and enough to build gate (with extra patches).
[12:31:30] <tsoome_> once I learn how to transform manifests, I’ll be able to create single repo and publish it:D
[12:35:09] <v_a_b> tsoome I want to do the same thing with v9os -- haven't done it yet (as usual)
[12:36:29] <v_a_b> I do know someone who has already built newer gcc versions on v9os. However, he does not like IRC :-(
[12:36:52] <v_a_b> I would like to reproduce his work, then try to make it available somewhere.
[12:38:17] <tsoome_> the problem is that with userland stuff (in oi), there are cyclic dependencies, many packages are assuming you have older version of it installed etc etc. and just plain broken build recipes (assuming x86 etc). configure + make install is trivial (mostly), but getting the package hell fixed is the key there.
[12:39:00] <v_a_b> Since I do know a bit about IPS this is actually something I could work on -- not being a k3rn@l h@x0r
[12:41:35] <tsoome_> I did start by picking up the point in commit history which did allow to create new packages (userland toolchain usinf gcc 6 and pkg based on python 2.7), then I did hack build recipes to break dependency cycles and got first packages. then gradually adding new packages and moving on with commit history…
[12:43:19] <tsoome_> now I have to fix gfx-drm to produce usable packages so we can pretend we can have some sort of 3D bits and get basic gnome2 toolkits…
[12:44:10] <tsoome_> it is kind of disturbing when you can not get even gnupg without having things like cairo and pango…
[12:45:40] <tsoome_> before 2000 we did joke that with any gnu package you will end up installing tex and latex, now you will get most of the internet …
[12:50:49] <v_a_b> I have installed TeX and LaTeX everywhere anyway ;-)
[12:51:00] <v_a_b> This is TeX, Version 3.14159265 (TeX Live 2014/Brandt&Brandt Computer GmbH) (preloaded format=tex)
[12:51:08] <v_a_b> I see that I need to update...
[12:51:24] <v_a_b> Packaged in IPS of course...
[12:51:30] <tsoome_> well, thats true - in university it was needed anyhow:D
[12:51:36] <v_a_b> yep
[12:52:10] <v_a_b> We produce our invoices with a chain of xml -> latex -> pdf
[12:52:25] <v_a_b> All of it would work on illumos.
[12:52:33] <v_a_b> (we still use Solaris 11.3)
[12:53:14] <Agnar> tsoome_: I could help you with transforming (if you mean setting a new publisher and merging stuff)
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[13:30:39] <am11> hi, on debian, before pushing my changes to git upstream, i usually run `git show --name-only --pretty="" | xargs sed -i 's/[[:space:]]*$//'` (to remove tailing spaces from the files i have touched in HEAD commit), it works with bash on linux/freebsd/macos. on smartos it is giving me error `"eng/native/configurecom ...": 1: invalid command code e`.
[13:30:39] <am11> is it because xargs or sed behave differently on smartos?
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[13:49:32] <am11> oki it was `sed -i '' 's/....'`
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[15:27:49] <am11> first batch of changes have been made for dotnet clr. now it's linkage errors i am figuring out; whether this is due to some target not compiled or solaris linker require some special switch. stdout logs: http://sprunge.us/iC2vp9, stderr logs: http://sprunge.us/uXtBEs.
[15:28:44] <am11> error occurs at 100% progress, when linking ildasm (IL disassembler native executable)
[15:30:20] <am11> is there a tool which can assist in this troubleshooting, will save me from eyeballing multiple cmake files to figure it out. ._ .
[15:31:40] <sjorge> looks like multiple things are missing symbols
[15:32:02] <sjorge> so either something linkdep is not pulled in properly... or some prereq code is not compiled for us
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[15:32:42] <sjorge> Usually I'd start at the top, and try to figure out if it is osmething provided by a libarary, if it is I'd try to add -lsomelib
[15:32:46] <sjorge> in this case GetMDInternalInterface
[15:33:10] <sjorge> But that could also be something in dotnot that is ifdeffed out for us
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[15:39:08] <neirac> jperkin hi what's the name of the branch on pkgsrc were you started working on ips backend?
[15:39:18] <am11> yep, thanks. that particular one is under `#if FEATURE_XYZ`, and that feature is enabled. however there are multiple passes to some files to cover matrix like static/shared libs, with/without stdcpplib (for various reasons and targets). i will begin with printing out pragma warning message for that #ifdef and its inverse branch, to chase the
[15:39:19] <am11> breadcrumbs.
[15:41:26] <am11> sjorge: btw, are you aware of any progress being made for porting lldb to Illumos?
[15:45:34] <am11> dotnet runtime provides a plugin (written in C/C++) for lldb called libsosplugin, which allows us to step into unwinded managed frames and debug C#/F#/VB code. gdb has some extensibility via python API, and some wip experiments (it seems), but nothing as tangible as lldb's API headers (see https://github.com/dotnet/diagnostics/issues/272).
[15:45:35] <am11> therefore, it lldb with working SOS plugin is essential to enable debugging of dotnet code (and currently the only way on Unices).
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[15:54:20] <toastersonerson1> Is there a way to zlogin into a zone from another zone?
[15:54:53] <igork> toastersonerson1: ssh
[15:55:07] <toastersonerson1> without networking :)
[15:55:25] <tsoome__> zlogin.
[15:55:28] <igork> i have no ideas, only from global zone
[15:55:33] <tsoome__> but thats restricted
[15:55:42] <toastersonerson1> from zone to zone?
[15:55:49] <toastersonerson1> not global zone
[15:56:35] <tsoome__> only from global zone.
[15:57:01] <jlevon> there is not
[15:57:20] <toastersonerson1> hmm i feared. but wanted to make sure. admin users it is.
[15:57:25] <tsoome__> local zones is isolation mechanism, direct connection would defeat the isolation.
[15:57:57] <tsoome__> of course, one might write some sort of alternate protocol:D
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[15:58:43] <toastersonerson1> yes I can always do that :) but that would need me to run a daemon in the target zone. Not too bad but not something I want to do now.
[16:20:45] <sjorge> am11 I am not aware of any lldb work
[16:21:52] <sjorge> tsoome__: well... you can sort of map zoneA's console device to zoneB and the other way around using lofs IIRC
[16:21:58] <sjorge> but... I would not recommend that
[16:22:33] <jlevon> am11: ask Woodstock
[16:23:47] <Woodstock> hm?
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[17:03:01] <am11> Woodstock: the question was about lldb port status on Illumos. :)
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[17:10:49] <Woodstock> am11: it's being done. not working yet. no ETA on when it will be done.
[17:14:17] <am11> ok, thank you. is there a place to subscribe to track port-to-solaris progress? maybe someone can lend hand to speed things up.
[17:20:31] <Woodstock> there isn't, but once i reach a point where it actually does something useful instead of crashing all the time i'll post it upstream for review and help to get it tested and finished
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[18:38:48] <leoric> Does someone have an idea if it's possible to use FUSE in zone?
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[18:52:23] <rmustacc> Which fuse impl?
[18:52:31] <rmustacc> I mean, there's nothing inherent to the kernel that prevents it.
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[19:22:32] <jbk> ptribble: tsoome__ ping on the w / whodo bug
[19:23:23] <ptribble> just a moment
[19:27:49] <tsoome__> here you go:)
[19:32:48] <jbk> is yuri in here? if not i'll ping him via email
[19:33:49] <jbk> (I can't always remember everyone's nick on irc :P)
[19:35:38] <rmustacc> jbk: Looks like they're not around right now.
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[20:12:10] <tsoome_> yurip is usually respondin on mail pretty quick
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[20:21:39] <jbk> ok.. i'll just send him and email.. since this is still a security issue, i don't want it to linger too long
[20:29:21] <KungFuJesus> is this going to be a thing everywhere? https://www.freebsd.org/news/status/report-2020-01-2020-03.html#NFS-over-TLS-implementation
[20:30:21] <tsoome_> i have been wondering the same.
[20:31:35] <KungFuJesus> I mean, we went through the trouble of getting krb5 more or less working, so the utility for us at work is questionable right now
[20:31:49] <KungFuJesus> hardware assisted crypto might be a nice value-add, though
[20:31:54] <tsoome_> but it might be good thing because unix has proven to be really bad about kerberos anyhow:D
[20:33:15] <toastersonerson1> Considering how hard it is to setup yes.
[20:33:21] <KungFuJesus> the other question is how much worse will it be to establish the PKI
[20:33:31] <KungFuJesus> that step won't be a flip of a switch, either
[20:33:45] <toastersonerson1> Guess all the cloud stuff wanted nfs mounting as much as all other uses.
[20:33:47] <KungFuJesus> all the pain of setting up SSL certs and then configuring nfsd to ingest them
[20:34:02] <toastersonerson1> acme support?
[20:34:44] <KungFuJesus> toastersonerson1: not sure what that is
[20:35:07] <toastersonerson1> let's encrypts protocol also available inside orgs via things like vault
[20:35:31] <KungFuJesus> bleh, I don't love the let's encrypt mess
[20:35:39] <KungFuJesus> they've had a few SNAFUs on their own, too
[20:35:55] <toastersonerson1> huh which?
[20:36:00] <KungFuJesus> https://threatpost.com/lets-encrypt-revoke-millions-tls-certs/153413/
[20:36:30] <KungFuJesus> https://www.infosecurity-magazine.com/news/lets-encrypt-flaw-hackers-to/
[20:36:41] <toastersonerson1> I was talking about running your own server to manage certs in house not public.
[20:37:10] <KungFuJesus> ah, that probably makes a lot more sense for this application, I guess
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[20:37:49] <toastersonerson1> vault is a encrypted cert manager server and password manager api with acl
[20:38:34] <toastersonerson1> are they also talking about client certs?
[20:38:51] <toastersonerson1> inside the org auth in both ways would also make more sense
[20:38:55] <KungFuJesus> possibly, yeah
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[20:40:40] <KungFuJesus> Looks like some improvements to Linuxulator were added. I wonder if it will let me run the 64 bit crashplan atop of it or if that's still a mess. It seems like the 64 bit Linux JDK had all kinds of weird issues with it
[20:41:54] <KungFuJesus> Currently have to run it in behyve right now with a readonly NFS mount. I don't love that
[20:49:50] <KungFuJesus> toastersonerson1: I guess whether or not client certs will be used depends on if it's going to handle just crypto or crypto + authentication
[20:50:22] <KungFuJesus> this could in theory completely subplant the ticketing granting server's role
[20:50:51] <KungFuJesus> but the TGS is there to make it seamless, you'd have to add a surrogate with something else. Maybe ACME does this?
[20:51:23] <toastersonerson1> Yes that is acmes and vaults roles for certs
[20:54:37] <KungFuJesus> not sure if there's a great way to tie this to AD credentials, though
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[20:56:22] <toastersonerson1> no there is not. it is server and host only
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[21:45:56] <jbk> there's certainly opportunities for improvement in our kerberos support.. just no one's had the masoch^Winterest in working on it :P
[22:02:08] <sjorge> toastersonerson1 for me it will not be to hard, asl salt manages a local CA for me...
[22:02:16] <sjorge> but yeah PKI is not fun
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[22:41:17] <am11> i was using smartos in nested virtualization on azure vm, now switched to a local vm on macos (to troubleshoot linker errors as i have more cores => faster repetitive compilations). after setting up the similar environment, somehow g++ is not locating basic stuff: `echo "#include<cstdlib>" | g++ -xc++ -` gives `error: '::at_quick_exit' has not
[22:41:17] <am11> been declared` on line 137 of `/opt/tools/gcc7/include/c++/cstdlib`.
[22:42:28] <am11> is there a quick fix for it? otherwise, i can switch back to az vm. it's bit slow (2 cores) but at least i get to 100% :/
[22:43:18] <Smithx10> LeftWing: and ypankov It was quicker and easier to just deploy an entire DocSite using https://v2.docusaurus.io/docs/deployment and https://mermaid-js.github.io/mermaid/#/
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[22:43:55] <Smithx10> Drawing on the screen is hard... Mermaid wasn't that bad
[23:12:02] <am11> oki, looks like mine is this issue: https://github.com/joyent/pkgsrc/issues/238. in az vm, i have stdlib.h with this delta: https://github.com/illumos/illumos-gate/commit/0df48811699b83d09c552548effcb1718d6ff1d0 . on smartos vm running on mac it does not has this change.
[23:13:52] <am11> `/usr/include` is readonly (i'm using GZ), is there a way i can unmount, apply patch and remount it back as ro? or some better/cleaner way to resolve this?
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[23:43:33] <LeftWing> am11: You can use lofs mounts to override the contents of a particular file
[23:44:06] <LeftWing> i.e., put edited file in /tmp, then mount -F lofs -O /tmp/file /usr/include/file
[23:45:12] <LeftWing> It seems unusual for that delta not to be in SmartOS... What platform image date are you running?
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[23:47:16] <am11> thanks, it is `SmartOS 20180315T080815Z x86_64`. i am switching to `20190829T000927Z` (installing deps in newly created vm on mac).
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