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[00:01:55] <jbk> rmustacc: it seems to happen right after apcupsd is killed.. i also found another unrelated issue.. so i'll probably dig in more to it after i've dealt with that :)
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[00:17:12] <rmustacc> Sounds good. ugen isn't something I really knew about.
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[00:37:11] <toasterson1> Does somebody know how to untangle stdint.h and inttypes.h? Is it safe to include both at once?
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[00:43:11] <rmustacc> toasterson1: What do you mean by untangle?
[00:43:33] <rmustacc> You can definitely include both at once.
[00:43:41] <toasterson1> i have stdint.h and inttypes.h defining the same types.
[00:44:03] <toasterson1> hmm in that case stdint.h from clang is incompatible with out inttypes.h
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[00:47:31] <rmustacc> Mixing whose headers you're using is always a bit of a mess.
[00:49:04] <toasterson1> yeah question is which one does firefox actually want. my guess is clang. but how would i tell it to include inttypes.h from clang as it does not seem to have those headers.
[00:49:49] <toasterson1> hmm clang has inttypes.h but ours seem to be picked rather than the clang ones.
[00:50:47] <toasterson1> what do I need to look for? include path order on commandline?
[00:51:20] <rmustacc> I would expect it to use the system's stuff by default.
[00:53:14] <toasterson1> well it seems firefox wants clang over gcc acording to it's compiler docs.
[00:53:35] <toasterson1> hmm libavutil is third party i guess?
[00:55:04] <rmustacc> Sure, it can prefer that compiler, but most things built with it will use the system headers.
[00:59:18] <toasterson1> So the solution would be to exclude clang headers form include path?
[01:00:23] <rmustacc> I would normally do that by default?
[01:00:40] <rmustacc> At least the C header replacements.
[01:00:47] <rmustacc> It'll have its own C++ headers you need.
[01:00:52] <rmustacc> But this isn't my area of expertise.
[01:01:08] <jbk> ISTR there was some way you could tell clang to use the OS's headers, but the details escape me
[01:02:25] <toasterson1> hmm something to research then
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[01:02:38] <jbk> i think i looked at fbsd or something
[01:02:42] <jbk> it was months ago
[01:02:55] <jbk> or maybe longer
[01:19:46] <LeftWing> It provides something called the "resource directory", which is full of headers that it probably shouldn't be providing
[01:19:53] <LeftWing> That are frequently in conflict with ours
[01:20:17] <LeftWing> But it's not clear you can just not have them, because of all the intrinsics in there?
[01:20:53] <jbk> i just remember finding a preprocessor symbol or something that made it DTRT
[01:22:03] <toasterson1> Are those headers not in conflict with linux or how did they get the idea for that?
[01:23:37] <toasterson1> It does not sound like a good idea at all to have those headers
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[01:51:15] <jbk> if might be #define __STDC_HOSTED__ (or -D __STDC_HOSTED__) might be what i was thinking of
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[02:07:56] <LeftWing> It'd be good to understand how it is intended to work
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[02:10:01] <LeftWing> Seems like __STDC_HOSTED__ should be defined by the compiler on us?
[02:14:23] <jbk> probably
[02:16:03] <jbk> the pkgsrc clang seems to do that
[02:16:25] <LeftWing> pmooney: That might explain the issues with the clang cross compilation
[02:16:26] <jbk> clang -dM -E - < /dev/null should show what it's defining by default
[02:17:05] <pmooney> huh
[02:17:43] <pmooney> would be nice to not have to build clang as part of the cross build
[02:18:27] <jbk> https://github.com/llvm-mirror/clang/blob/master/lib/Frontend/InitPreprocessor.cpp#L347-L352
[02:18:44] <jbk> i'm guessing 'LangOpts.Freestanding' probably corresponds to the similar cmdline argument
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[02:20:52] <pmooney> I can't recall if I tried it in that mode or not
[02:21:06] <pmooney> One of those modes definitely ignores the resource directory entirely, which I'm not sure is what you want
[02:21:45] <pmooney> jbk: I've tinkered with the illumos-triple wad, and got it to build (granted under the sun-solaris triple)
[02:22:42] <jbk> cool
[02:26:10] <toasterson1> #define STDC_HOSTED 1
[02:26:16] <toasterson1> is on my system
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[15:05:23] <sjorge> jbk synrepl rid=XXX the XXX needs to be globally unique? not per database?
[15:05:35] <sjorge> I think that might be my problem but having a hard time finding out if that is the case
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[17:07:17] <Mokou> hello everyone, newbie here
[17:07:36] <Mokou> correct me if i'm wrong, but to me it seems that illumos-gate doesn't include a SO_REUSEPORT option
[17:07:49] <Mokou> yet both omnios and joyent seems to have implemented it
[17:07:57] <Mokou> may i ask what's stopping us from backporting their implementation?
[17:08:02] <rmustacc> Joyent implemened a minor version of it for lx only.
[17:08:16] <rmustacc> However, the authors of it felt it was incomplete.
[17:08:45] <bahamat> And I think OmniOS just cherry picked ours.
[17:10:14] <rmustacc> pmooney could probably clarify, but I'm fairly certain that support there never was made visible for native applications on illumos. Though it could probably be a useful starting point for full, native functionality.
[17:10:54] <pmooney> implementing SO_REUSEPORT properly is very difficult
[17:11:10] <rmustacc> Mokou: Does that help answer your question?
[17:11:11] <pmooney> what's exposed to LX is rather half-assed, to be honest
[17:11:15] <Mokou> i see, so for now, its only avaliable to those programs running inside lx containers?
[17:11:22] <Mokou> thats very helpful, thx
[17:11:43] <rmustacc> Yes, that's correct. The native illumos headers on those disros don't expose it, if my memory serves.
[17:11:48] <pmooney> If we expose a SO_REUSEPORT implementation to the native system, I want it to be more robust
[17:12:28] <pmooney> yeah, I believe its header definition is behind _KERNEL guard, even
[17:12:45] <pmooney> absolutely not exposed to userspace
[17:13:49] <Mokou> so if my understanding is correct, its only technical difficulties?
[17:14:12] <Mokou> i was asking because i'm afraid there's some legal problem etc...
[17:14:56] <pmooney> correct, creating a robust implementation is a technical challenge
[17:15:12] <rmustacc> Yeah, there's no legal problem to our understanding.
[17:15:31] <pmooney> the idea of SO_REUSEPORT isn't copyrighted or trademarked
[17:15:47] <rmustacc> And the implementation from Joyent is licensed under the CDDL.
[17:15:56] <rmustacc> So there's no issues there.
[17:16:21] <pmooney> and those implementations are completely bespoke to the OS they were created for
[17:16:56] <pmooney> if someone was tempted to copy the Linux implementation, against its license terms, it would be totally useless outside their network stack
[17:17:02] <Mokou> nice
[17:20:00] <sjorge> jbk got it working! phew
[17:20:36] <sjorge> So it was 'security tls=1' and enforcing TLS is not enough to make syncrepl use starttls
[17:20:47] <sjorge> Enough for today though
[17:20:49] <sjorge> More tomorrow
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[17:27:45] <LeftWing> sjorge: I definitely gave different rids to the different databases in the config I had
[17:27:51] <LeftWing> (for mirror mode)
[17:28:07] <sjorge> Wasn't necesarry, but it does make log parsing easier
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[18:29:02] <tsoome> LeftWing how do you feel about spam?:)
[18:29:27] <LeftWing> The food?
[18:29:47] <tsoome> em, flood, rather:)
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[18:30:20] <LeftWing> Are you seeing spam somewhere?
[18:30:54] <tsoome> what if there would be an option to make gerrit to mail to developer list?:)
[18:32:04] <tsoome> that kind of spam:)
[18:36:31] <LeftWing> So, I'd prefer not to do that
[18:36:40] <LeftWing> People can sign up for mail from Gerrit directly
[18:38:14] <LeftWing> If we forward everything from Gerrit to the mailing list, it makes it harder for people to make individual decisions about filtering
[18:38:17] <tsoome> hm, thats good to know.
[18:38:52] <LeftWing> If you go to https://code.illumos.org/settings/#Notifications I believe you can sign up for mail about everything from illumos-gate if you want
[18:39:31] <LeftWing> I believe you can add people to the CC or Reviewer list of a specific change too
[19:14:45] <TheGreekOwl> register
[19:16:48] <LeftWing> volatile!
[19:17:25] <TheGreekOwl> Oh god what did I do
[19:21:33] <LeftWing> Haha I'm not sure, I thought we were saying C storage qualifiers
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