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[01:05:10] <richlowe> pmooney: ld on linux shouldn't be that big a pain? (unless linux was the target, where you'd have a lot of work to do)
[01:05:32] <richlowe> well, a lot of work if you wanted to support the bells and whistles
[01:05:39] <pmooney> richlowe: it's a _huge_ pain, owing to how tangled in our headers it is
[01:05:40] <richlowe> I've actually used our ld to link linux binaries already
[01:05:59] <pmooney> running it on linux as the host?
[01:06:02] <richlowe> No
[01:06:05] <pmooney> that's what I meant
[01:06:23] <richlowe> pmooney: I know, I just wanted to be accurate that linking linux binaries is basically fine, it's all the extra stuff you'd have to do to do it well that might suck
[01:06:36] <richlowe> pmooney: the tangle in the headers, you'd really need to just use our headers (and libelf, etc, etc.)
[01:06:41] <pmooney> yeah, I mean the point is linking illumos binaries
[01:07:06] <pmooney> it reaches into uts/common/sys in a big way
[01:07:16] <pmooney> don't get me wrong, it's doable
[01:07:19] <richlowe> Mostly for ELF stuff
[01:07:23] <pmooney> but would take hours and hours of work
[01:07:59] <pmooney> I spent a couple hours seeing how far I could get
[01:08:01] <pmooney> and it was not far
[01:08:29] <richlowe> I guess in my head it was easier to ring-fence the native stuff, and just use ours
[01:08:32] <richlowe> which is what you'd want
[01:08:32] <LeftWing> It seems fine to use gld for the specific purposes of rustup toolchains
[01:09:44] <LeftWing> They'll be built with a specific sysroot targetting illumos as of ~2018 (at this point) and mostly static for C++ libraries and OpenSSL and such -- all built in docker containers on their native Linux build hosts.
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[01:10:34] <LeftWing> Once this is all done, people should just be able to do what https://rustup.rs/ says to do, but on illumos
[01:10:39] <pmooney> yeah, unless someone showed a huge performance differential between llvm-compiled rustc and the gcc-compiled one
[01:10:51] <pmooney> which would be surprising
[01:11:04] <LeftWing> The rust bits are still LLVM-compiled, after all
[01:11:08] <LeftWing> And most of rustc is Rust, I think
[01:11:15] <pmooney> except LLVM itself
[01:11:17] <LeftWing> Right
[01:11:18] <pmooney> but yeah
[01:11:37] <LeftWing> I welcome any follow-up improvements to the state of clang
[01:12:05] <pmooney> I don't volunteer to port ld
[01:12:18] <LeftWing> lol
[01:12:28] <pmooney> I didn't even get as far as sgsmsg, lol
[01:12:33] <pmooney> (although it was close)
[01:12:41] <richlowe> sgsmsg is the worst
[01:13:06] <richlowe> and unless it's deeply subtle, provides absolutely no benefit
[01:35:50] <richlowe> also, I hate our headers so much.
[01:36:52] <jbk> heh
[01:37:05] <richlowe> I'm adding tm_gmtoff/tm_zone, or trying to
[01:37:14] <richlowe> so it's all the fun of our headers being a mess, and getting to make it worse
[01:37:16] <richlowe> and/or give up.
[01:37:20] <richlowe> which is getting more and more attractive
[01:38:06] <jbk> we just concluded our own bit of hate (dboot) :P
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[04:47:07] <rmustacc> jmc, richlowe: jlevon has caused me to go to the Austin group. I hope you're pleased with yourselves.
[04:54:53] <jbk> wrt the memstream stuff?
[05:19:50] <idodeclare> "Advocates are appointed by the illumos Developer Council." How are the Developer Council ever heard from as a Council?
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[06:02:35] <LeftWing> idodeclare: That's a complicated subject.
[06:39:50] <idodeclare> Hmmmm how cryptic
[06:50:52] <LeftWing> idodeclare: In general, we make decisions amongst the Advocates. If we had something that we couldn't work out by ourselves, I imagine we'd talk to the developer council folks. That hasn't happened for a long time, though.
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[07:06:13] <idodeclare> illumos.org-Leadershp represents Developer Council as making "high-level architecture decisions". That hasn't happened for a long time? They're divorced from present concerns?
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[08:25:18] <LeftWing> idodeclare: I'm not really sure where you're going with this.
[08:27:02] <LeftWing> If you're having an issue with a decision, or you'd like to contribute a change, or you're experiencing a code of conduct issue, we're definitely here to help.
[08:27:58] <tsoome> LeftWing the problem is, hard decisions are not happening. we are very good on producing simple changes, but more complex ones are stuck and going nowhere.
[08:28:40] <LeftWing> As ever, it helps to deal in specifics.
[08:29:18] <tsoome> what shall happen with sparc?:P
[08:29:34] <LeftWing> If Peter wants to look after it, I'm happy to let him
[08:29:50] <LeftWing> I have always said that somebody needed to show up to work on it, and finally somebody did. It feels right to let him have a go.
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[08:35:27] <tsoome> no, thats not an question - we do have few people doing things from time to time, but how would that fit in the project? every now and then there is an question if we should still support the platform, and then that question will fade without any answer.
[08:36:29] <LeftWing> At the moment, I think the way it fits in the project is: Peter is working on trimming out the useless old bits (see https://github.com/illumos/ipd/blob/master/ipd/0005/README.md )
[08:36:50] <LeftWing> And there is no current expectation that people build and run SPARC bits as part of putting back a change for x86
[08:37:04] <LeftWing> Though we obviously appreciate people trying to get the SPARC bits right if they are able
[08:37:18] <LeftWing> And Peter has assisted with some amount of testing there, I believe, as he's had time and energy to do so
[08:37:52] <LeftWing> If Peter decides he doesn't want to do it anymore, we can revisit deleting it all.
[08:38:23] <tsoome> btw, this is full list of cleanups I have put together: https://github.com/illumos/illumos-gate/compare/master...tsoome:build
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[08:39:14] <LeftWing> Is this from a particular new GCC version?
[08:39:26] <tsoome> no, 4.4.4 for now.
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[08:39:55] <LeftWing> Oh sorry I missed the "smatch" part
[08:40:15] <tsoome> NULL pointer + smatch (smatch is also for common bits).
[08:42:06] <ptribble> I'm currently trying to put a new release together, btw
[08:42:29] <LeftWing> Neat!
[08:43:40] <tsoome> then we can start to go for gcc7:) but its considerable amount of time and effort.
[08:44:02] <tsoome> ptribble have you got any feedback for libc?
[08:44:09] <ptribble> libc?
[08:44:15] <tsoome> libc*
[08:44:18] <tsoome> damn
[08:44:27] <tsoome> libbc
[08:44:36] <sensille> tsoome: out of curiosity, why all those newer gccs?
[08:44:40] <tsoome> stupid autocorrect
[08:44:54] <tsoome> sensille, better compiler diagnostics
[08:45:31] <sensille> ah, makes some sense. did it already bring up substantial issues?
[08:45:36] <tsoome> yes
[08:45:40] <ptribble> I guess we move the IPD to the published state
[08:45:50] <ptribble> https://github.com/illumos/ipd/blob/master/ipd/0016/README.md
[08:45:58] <tsoome> both smatch and newer compilers do reveal bugs.
[08:46:03] <ptribble> As nobody has objected
[08:46:53] <LeftWing> ptribble: I will sponsor IPD 16
[08:46:57] <tsoome> I'd also hope better code generation, but I'm not really sure anyone has investigated that area.
[08:46:58] <LeftWing> Let me get that to published
[08:48:44] <ptribble> Thanks!
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[08:54:22] <LeftWing> tsoome: You may wish to prod your original reviewers? The change from PS1 to PS2 seems very minor, I'm sure they'll +1 again?
[08:55:09] <LeftWing> If not, I will try and take a proper look this week
[08:55:41] <LeftWing> (for 12292)
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[09:02:51] <tsoome> i'll poke them:)
[09:06:07] <sensille> tsoome: does the compiler diagnostics still depend on the optimization level as does with older gccs?
[09:17:52] <tsoome> sensille probably, but i'm not that sure.
[09:19:08] <tsoome> sensille I mean, digging through with current setup is already quite large task:D
[09:19:46] <sensille> it is for sure
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[11:02:22] <Agnar> good morning, someone here who might help me with my kernel panic? https://paste.ec/paste/84xKNI74#oK3X5MqBvEX+aSVOjE-pVxfIasypCOG+Ov1tVACqxFC
[11:02:53] <Agnar> it's a recent OI hipster install usb stick that panics on a X4470 (M1) with latest firmware updates
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[11:04:25] <jlevon> Agnar: your problem is that rip==0x0 so we don't have context. can you load kmdb. if so you would need to try to figure out where.
[11:04:36] <jlevon> Agnar: normally this means that we called a function pointer that was NULL.
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[11:04:51] <jlevon> turn on verbose boot logging too
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[11:05:50] <Agnar> jlevon: sure
[11:05:58] <Agnar> jlevon: i'll boot -kd, wait a sec
[11:08:11] <Agnar> well, maybe a bit more than a sec *sigh* ;)
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[11:16:57] <Agnar> jlevon: ok, I'm in kmdb now
[11:17:57] <Agnar> jlevon: https://paste.ec/paste/4WO+p3jO#qOeRhhWd-QMEI3fQsjErzOk9MlmcqZQiMwFIVUMFfhD
[11:18:40] <jlevon> have a look at ::cpuregs etc. and try to figure out some context
[11:18:43] <jlevon> might be painful
[11:19:01] <Agnar> %r10 = 0xbaddcafebaddcafe
[11:19:11] <Agnar> that looks probably not good
[11:19:30] <Agnar> https://paste.ec/paste/d471DnkF#voLTEd3sUX4+D2LF9xhM6Qi9eVF3X6CrxELLv2Bcuqb
[11:19:34] <Agnar> (full output)
[11:22:38] <Agnar> and it panics on different CPUs, I have seen it on CPU 2 and 6, can't remember if it also panics on others
[11:23:02] <Agnar> erm.
[11:23:03] <Agnar> wait
[11:24:00] <Agnar> why does ::cpuinfo only shows 8 cpus? the box should have 4 xeon sockets with at least 6 cores each
[11:24:52] <Agnar> well, actually 4 sockets, each 8 cores, Xeon(R) CPU X7550
[11:34:05] <Agnar> ok, the kernel paniced before it was able to load the driver for the second physical cpu
[11:34:21] <Agnar> ffffff4a570907f8 cpu, instance #7 (driver name: cpudrv)
[11:34:21] <Agnar> ffffff4a57090550 cpu, instance #8 (driver not attached)
[11:35:39] <Agnar> so, I'll download a Sol11.4 usb image and try booting that. if I get the same error it is probably hardware, else we have a bug somewhere
[11:47:03] <jlevon> yes you're bringing up all the other CPUs at this point.
[11:50:33] <Agnar> ok, so either it's something with the hardware or we have a bug. so, I'll try to run sol11.4 for a testride and see if it panics also
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[11:53:09] <Agnar> might also be an idea to try booting smartos as the joyent kernel is a bit different
[11:58:57] <tsoome> memory patterns: baddcafe (uninitialized) and deadbeef (freed)
[11:59:42] <Agnar> yes, but that looks suspicios as this is a cpu register
[12:00:26] <tsoome> it means we did read from uninitialized memory
[12:01:14] <Agnar> yes, but I guess that part should be initialized
[12:05:37] <Agnar> ok, it's an illumos issue
[12:05:40] <Agnar> sol11.4 boots
[12:23:45] <Agnar> https://www.illumos.org/issues/12393 I created a bug for it...
[12:27:21] <tsoome> andyf ping:)
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[15:58:30] <rmustacc> Agnar: The useful thing here will be to print the stack trace again to get the args to trap and printing the struct regs so we can figure out where we came from. ::cpuinfo might also help.
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[23:45:20] <toasterson1> Leftwing ping
[23:56:50] <LeftWing> toasterson1: What's up?
[23:57:31] <toasterson1> rust question. is our libc not yet completely available in rust or are some packages reliant on glibc stuff
[23:58:17] <toasterson1> the nix package for example does not like some of our interfaces.
[23:58:34] <toasterson1> also we are missing support for termios :)
[23:58:57] <LeftWing> I was looking briefly at nix the other day. I don't think anybody has tried to make it work on us yet, so there will undoubtedly be a little porting effort to do so.
[23:59:22] <LeftWing> There's a libc crate, though, which already exposes unsafe wrappers for a lot of functions and constants and such
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