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[07:38:04] <leoric> andyf: cool!
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[07:55:45] <LeftWing> jlevon`: I've only looked at 5880 for under a minute so far, but if nobody else catches it: "compatability" doesn't seem like the right spelling
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[10:31:59] <jlevon`> LeftWing: sure,thanks.
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[14:54:33] <EisNerd> hm could I zfs send an entire pool into a temp file and then recreate it and restore zfs contents by doing zfs receive, including datasets and and zfs attributes?
[14:54:46] <EisNerd> as I'd like to change ashift
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[15:45:08] <EisNerd> hm is there away to send/recv the root dataset of pool into a fresh one? Badly I would guess, as there can't be a pool without a dataset
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[15:48:15] <sjorge> EisNerd I think you can, target pool has only the root dataset and the recursively send it from the source
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[17:24:54] <LeftWing> EisNerd: If you take a recursive snapshot at the pool level, e.g., "zpool snapshot -r tank@tosend"
[17:25:18] <LeftWing> Then you ought to be able to send the whole thing with "zfs send -R tank@tosend" and receive it on top of the new pool
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[17:40:51] <schily> Orcle has no longer a cooperation with POSIX/Opengroup and withdraws UNIX trademark
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[18:01:33] <EisNerd> I used this to move the dataset a level, so I no longer has to fiddle arround with the pool dataset
[18:01:59] <EisNerd> schily: sounds a bit silly
[18:03:12] <v_a_b> schily Just googled a bit, not found in any news... did they announce it anywhere?
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[18:36:03] <schily> They did not announce it yet, but it was mentioned to the POSIX board
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[19:09:17] <v_a_b> Probably they have to pay for the trademark and want to save some money... they are firing ~1000 people in Ireland and The Netherlands.
[19:11:20] <v_a_b> https://www.theregister.co.uk/2020/03/05/oracle_europe_job_cuts/
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[21:25:25] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 12173 ip: variable may be used uninitialized in this function -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
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[21:39:40] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 12319 ipsecah/ipsecesp: smatch errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
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[22:02:49] <sjorge> andyf Woodstock, is there any more progress on the bhyve upstream attempt?
[22:05:28] <andyf> sjorge - yes, it is still moving
[22:05:37] <sjorge> nice!
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[22:07:14] <alanc> v_a_b: I can't imagine any reason Oracle would make such an announcement, it's not of general interest
[22:09:22] <alanc> it's mainly a sign to POSIX & UNIX that the era of certification is over - it took ten years to get just one OS to certify to Unix V7, and it's given up now - Linux & BSD's aren't going to pay to certify
[22:10:11] <alanc> so while the various OS/distro groups may collaborate in the Austin Group still, it's not going to provide revenue for standards bodies
[22:11:00] <alanc> (as always speaking entirely for myself - I'm an engineer, not a corporate spokesperson)
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[22:34:25] <rzezeski> alanc: I tend to agree. Interacting with the austin working group also feels a bit archaic by modern standards. And having to pay for a suite of tests to get that POSIX/UNIX stamp...just feels very 90s.
[22:35:23] <alanc> it's amusing that there are still 3 companies paying to be listed as Unix 95 certified: https://www.opengroup.org/openbrand/register/xu.htm
[22:35:25] <rzezeski> But I definitely appreciate anyone who's trying to document some form of cross compatibility between OS APIs. The alternative tower of babel is certainly worse.
[22:35:45] <rzezeski> Just seems like we need to find a new middle ground these days
[22:36:24] <alanc> I wonder if the new libc-coordination mailing list will eventually replace the Austin Group for the libc level - I don't know of any command-level community efforts though
[22:37:11] <alanc> certainly a very large amount of the austin-group-l mail traffic is basically the shell implementors discussing compatibility across shells
[22:39:52] <alanc> meanwhile I continue to find surprising functions in our libraries I never knew we had, like https://illumos.org/man/3gen/isencrypt
[22:43:57] <rzezeski> I definitely do no envy anyone trying to get different operating systems to agree on anything. Such a thankless job.
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[23:03:38] <andyf> I had no idea about that function eithe
[23:03:48] <andyf> *either.. strange stuff
[23:05:36] <alanc> I love the way it just says any non-ASCII text is encrypted - "If it's not English, it might as well be DES to me"
[23:06:04] <andyf> yeah.. at least it tries harder in a non-C locale
[23:06:08] <andyf> oh, and used by `ed`
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