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[01:10:21] <jollyd> hmmm is using S_ISDIR() and S_ISLNK() the only way to work around the lack of dirent.d_type?
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[01:12:49] <rmustacc> jollyd: When the dirent doesn't have that type of info then you need to usually stat it directly.
[01:13:42] <jollyd> rmustacc: ok thank you for the confirmation :)
[01:21:33] <jollyd> so I am close to publishing mesa 19.1.8...
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[01:44:45] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 12206 Want datalink properties in topo -- Robert Mustacchi <rm at fingolfin dot org>
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[01:52:47] <jbk> is anyone running an illumos distro under hyperv?
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[02:27:16] <richlowe> lewellyn used to, long ago.
[02:28:49] <jbk> really i guess it wouldn't matter what is running.. just something with acpidump/iasl running under hyperv
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[03:27:23] <jbk> hmm..
[03:27:47] <jbk> grep -w seems to be different between illumso grep and GNU grep
[03:38:51] <rmustacc> As in they have different documented behavior or they have the same but behave differently?
[03:39:04] <jbk> that's what I don't know
[03:39:28] <jbk> but it's what's breaking the failing zvol_swap_xxx zfs tests
[03:40:08] <jbk> fixing the tests is fairly trivial, but then not sure if it was the zfs test that was wrong (but happened to work) or if we have a grep bug
[03:40:14] <jbk> (writing things up no)
[03:42:07] <jbk> I'm not sure if grep -w 'foo' should match 'foo' at the start of a line
[03:42:30] <jbk> illumos#12181 has the zfs test info
[03:42:47] <jbk> i'm goign to shoot out an email to illumos-developer and see if anyone else might know
[03:47:35] <rmustacc> The definition of ours is the same as on the BSDs.
[03:47:37] <rmustacc> Test one of them?
[03:49:36] <jbk> hmm.. yeah it works there.. so looking like ours has a bug
[03:50:05] <jbk> (fbsd 11.2 system)
[03:58:31] <jbk> it's the '/'
[04:05:20] <jbk> illumos#12273
[04:19:44] <jbk> I'm tempted to just change https://github.com/illumos/illumos-gate/blob/master/usr/src/test/zfs-tests/tests/functional/zvol/zvol_common.shlib#L136 to fix the zfs tests (to grep "^$device")
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[09:39:05] <andyf> jbk: hadfl runs his omnios dev VMs under hyperv and I have a couple of instances in Azure..
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[12:48:11] <jlevon> omni-indiana <-- great idea jimklimov
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[13:02:08] <v_a_b> Seems I missed something since I told Jim that my github handle was v_a_b but it's really v-a-b because github didn't like the former.
[13:03:46] <jlevon> he posted a PR
[13:03:57] <v_a_b> Yep, searching for it now...
[13:04:16] <jlevon> sorry I didn't get to say bye yesterday, I bumped into a friend then had to go for my flight!
[13:06:54] <v_a_b> NP
[13:08:04] <v_a_b> My Firefox 52.9.0 ESR on S11.3 SRU 35.6 is not well-received by github.
[13:08:21] <v_a_b> In particular, I can't seem to open PRs when I search for them by creator. :-(
[13:09:04] <v_a_b> Would you have a direct link?
[13:09:13] <v_a_b> (I promise to update RSN)
[13:14:04] <jlevon> https://github.com/OpenIndiana/oi-userland/pull/5528
[13:16:26] <v_a_b> Got it, tx
[13:19:11] <v_a_b> And yes, it is a nice idea. Ideally, OmniOS and OpenIndiana would be one distro, with an IPS package "consolidation/desktop/openindiana-incorporation" just adding a desktop.
[13:19:20] <v_a_b> Dreams, I know :-)
[13:20:15] <tsoome> I wont say a word about it:P
[13:20:17] <jlevon> heh
[13:20:23] <tsoome> :D
[13:21:31] <tsoome> jlevon: rm did hint about possible issues/traps with assert-deflib and guidance, any comments?
[13:21:40] <jlevon> I just replied there.
[13:21:51] <jlevon> I think he just meant my comment about the bug title
[13:22:24] <tsoome> ah ok:D
[13:23:20] <tsoome> I mean, I have full build (ofc) and running the built binaries, but stil lwas curious if I have been missing anything
[13:23:48] <jlevon> I haven't reviewed so maybe haha
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[13:27:16] <tsoome> hm, but you werent listed as reviewer..
[13:27:39] <jlevon> nor should I be!
[13:28:09] <tsoome> ok:D
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[13:35:40] <jimklimov> well, the build systems and goals and in a way supportability of the OSes do differ; at least that was likely the crucial point why the distros did not converge when OmniTI stepped down
[13:36:17] <jimklimov> I don't think we as a community have enough people to support OI LTS with guarantees for all the packages it ships :)
[13:37:39] <jimklimov> the idea for this PR was really what it says in the comment, that some people allegedly succeeded augmenting their OI deployments with OmniOS kernel to get more virtualization options primarily, and it worked for them somehow
[13:38:25] <jimklimov> so this PR aims to reproduce the unknown-how (maybe attract people who do have the know-how) and productize this
[13:39:38] <jimklimov> so we don't have to choose "desktop or bhyve/lx/etc on my laptop out of the box... hmmm..." and in fact expose the nifty stuff to more people for experience and feedback
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[13:43:15] <jimklimov> and so far the first shot, using OI's original recipe that builds illumos-gate with another git source, and a small tweak for "nightly" vs "nightly.sh", failed spectacularly so hackers welcome to git clone and reproduce/fix this =D
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[13:44:59] <jimklimov> for a large swath of errors, seems tehre is something about include paths, that it does not find headers for many of the targets
[13:45:26] <jimklimov> probably that causes majority of the other issues the build reported
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[14:00:34] <andyf> jimklimov - the first error is just plain weird, that it cannot find demangle-sys.h, which comes from illumos-omnios itself (it is not expected to be installed in /usr/include at all)
[14:00:58] <leoric> Does somebody want to review http://buildzone.oi-build.r61.net/webrev-12254/ ?
[14:01:52] <andyf> leoric - I already did send a +1 for that, just in case you missed it and I think you have one from Jerry too
[14:02:58] <leoric> Well, 'works for me' and 'looks good' differ a bit :)
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[14:06:12] <leoric> jimklimov: I understand why people want this, but I also consider this harmful in the following way.
[14:06:44] <leoric> It would be just one more evidence that illumos-gate failed to achieve its goal to be a common code base
[14:07:26] <leoric> So I'd better spend time upstreaming necessary features to illumos-gate
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[14:20:31] <andyf> There was some effort at FOSDEM to start the bhyve upstream work, so there could be some good news there
[14:21:47] <jlevon> leoric: except upstreaming everything would take forever, and this wouldn't.
[14:24:13] <leoric> if upstreaming everything doesn't work, this is problem with integration process
[14:25:14] <jlevon> no, it's a problem of resources.
[14:25:30] <jlevon> upstreaming, and review of such, is hard and takes a lot of time
[14:25:50] <leoric> why? Omnios merged Joyent work and it didn't take forever
[14:26:17] <Woodstock> which they did precisely because upstreaming was too hard for them
[14:26:24] <Woodstock> or anyone else :->
[14:26:39] <leoric> so, we back to the topic
[14:26:58] <leoric> big chunks of code are not upstreamed due to inadequate procedure
[14:27:01] <Woodstock> yes, back to the topic: stfu and hack. iirc there's plenty of upstreaming to do.
[14:27:53] <jlevon> back on topic: jimklimov1's work would be super-handy, as it means you wouldn't need two separate OS installs if you wanted to give omnios kernel stuff a try out for whatever reason.
[14:28:47] <andyf> Maybe we could look at porting our illumos-branded zones over too, then one could also run omnios userland :p
[14:29:16] <andyf> I run OI userland in a zone on omnios, and it's useful from time to time
[14:29:39] <Woodstock> i'd like to run a OI or Omni zone on smartos, and vice-versa :)
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[14:30:29] <andyf> Woodstock - you might actually be able to - we provide an NGZ zfs stream for omnios
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[15:11:14] <tsoome> hba_pkt = kmem_zalloc(pktlen, (callback = SLEEP_FUNC) ? KM_SLEEP: KM_NOSLEEP);
[15:11:29] <tsoome> this stuff never stops amusing me.
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[15:21:13] <danmcd> OMFG where is that tsoome?
[15:21:26] <tsoome> sparc dada driver:)
[15:21:34] <danmcd> ouch.
[15:22:11] <tsoome> just an example why we need smatch to be functional:)
[15:22:36] <tsoome> this code is old there, and yet the bug is still there...
[15:23:11] <jbk> andyf: can you do an acpidump on one of them and disassemble the OEM0 table?
[15:25:36] <jbk> I think it should just be the standard header followed by something like 64 bytes of random data
[15:26:54] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 12272 loader: bc_add can not use any other probes than ah=0x4b -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
[15:27:16] <andyf> jbk I'll ask hadfl, since he is sitting beside me
[15:27:28] <jbk> i'd like to update bhyve to provide it
[15:27:54] <jbk> windows and openbsd will use that as a random seed for their entropy systems..
[15:29:23] <andyf> jbk - ah, ok. He'll be able to do it once we get to the airport later
[15:29:40] <jbk> though it looks like on smartos, we're usually relying on the bios image to provide the acpi tables
[15:38:07] <danmcd> Ooh that reminds me...
[15:40:07] <tsoome> jlevon: I may have stepped on another smatch bug:P
[15:40:26] <jbk> though i thought that some of the stuff that we configure on the cmdline would need to be reflected in the ACPI tables, which if we're not generating the ACPI tables, and the BIOS is, I'm not sure how that works..
[15:45:04] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 12269 mdb multilist walker should be a layered walker -- Jason King <jason.king at joyent dot com>
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[15:47:18] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 12245 Support inheriting properties in zfs channel programs -- Jason King <jason.king at joyent dot com>
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[16:44:11] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 12257 resync smatch to 0.6.1-rc1-il-4 -- John Levon <john.levon at joyent dot com>
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[17:45:39] <psarria> i'm trying to block a very high number (13k) of IPs using ipfilter in a NGZ; once the blocks are added, i'm registering high latency times when ping the zone, it is normal due to the unusual number of rules added isn't ?
[17:49:09] <jbk> it wouldn't be surprising
[17:49:31] <rzezeski> psarria: I don't know the ipf internals well, but if you created 13k individual rules my guess is it's going thru each individually
[17:51:32] <tsoome> thats why rule groups and ip masking is needed.
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[17:58:12] <psarria> ok, i didn't know about rule groups, i'm reading about that
[17:58:19] <psarria> thanks
[18:00:38] <tsoome> ipf-howto is nice one to get the basic ideas
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[18:39:55] <richlowe> danmcd: as always, I (and probably LeftWing) would be interested in how you manged to file a bug into 'site', if you remember what URL you went to or anything
[18:40:07] <LeftWing> Indeed!
[18:44:03] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 12183 Want new IPD 13 DMA Cookie APIs -- Robert Mustacchi <rm at fingolfin dot org>
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[19:22:31] <danmcd> richlowe: Oh fuck ...
[19:22:37] <danmcd> Hang on...
[19:25:15] <danmcd> Okay lemme try the steps w/o creating one.
[19:25:56] <danmcd> @richlowe : visit here: https://www.illumos.org/issues/new
[19:26:10] <danmcd> THAT's how you do it. You just don't pay attention to the pop-up at top specifying which project.
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[19:41:31] <richlowe> how did you get there?
[19:41:42] <richlowe> almost every path into issues sticks you in the illumos-gate project.
[19:41:58] <richlowe> I say "almost" because obviously there's at least one that doesn't :)
[19:47:25] <danmcd> When I say "you" above, I meant the rhetorical one.
[19:48:02] <richlowe> Well right, but you should only end up there in a way that defaults illumos-gate
[19:48:23] <richlowe> unless you just type it in
[19:48:32] <richlowe> I thought that defaulted too honestly, LeftWing, why not?
[19:48:47] <danmcd> So I hope I answered your question. Meanwhile I'm in a dotting-Is/crossing-Ts mode right now for nfs-zone.
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[19:59:31] <LeftWing> richlowe: Not sure! I'll have to look at the code for that form I think
[20:16:24] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 12234 Want smbios battery support -- Robert Mustacchi <rm at fingolfin dot org>
[20:28:08] <tsoome> hrm, didn’t Garrett promise to remove cardbus?:P
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[21:37:20] <ptribble> Pah. cardbus is modern. There's enough far more antiquated bits to keep me busy for a while yet..
[21:37:56] <tsoome> true:)
[21:38:12] <tsoome> besides, it only had few simple issues with smatch.
[21:39:39] <rmustacc> Some of the old nexus drivers are useful examples in their simplicity, haha.
[21:45:31] <tsoome_> :)
[21:48:48] <jbk> heh
[21:50:40] <v_a_b> I swear I will dig out one of my E4500s out of that pile and install v9os just to spite you ptribble...
[21:52:11] <v_a_b> The big problem is that they will not boot without ALL NVRAMs, both on the clock board and *ALL* I/O boards having good checksums. That means fixing 2-3 NVRAMs which is the real work.
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[22:38:02] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 12251 remove sunfire-specific man pages -- Peter Tribble <peter.tribble at gmail dot com>
[22:38:43] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 12260 Fix zpool history unbounded memory usage -- Chunwei Chen <david.chen at nutanix dot com>
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[22:50:38] <sjorge> danmcd good luck with the nfs-zone RTI
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[22:51:38] <danmcd> Did I cc: you on it? Or are you on advocates@? (Or did you just see an earlier post about me contemplating it, rather than actually having submitted it just now?)
[22:52:21] <danmcd> Oh, it's probably on the archives now. NVM.
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[22:54:08] <sjorge> Leftwing added me to advocates, I was kind of tired of checking the archive every day :p
[22:54:20] <sjorge> But as I have no say in those things, I only read
[22:54:39] <sjorge> So I did see your RTI mail
[23:00:50] <danmcd> Cool, thanks.
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[23:59:56] <jbk> ptree -g is so nice (though i admit that's self congratulatory :P)
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