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[03:16:17] <hoobershaggus> hello what is the status of wine on illumos distros like open-indiana
[03:16:26] <hoobershaggus> do we have 3.0+ yet?
[03:16:37] <hoobershaggus> 2.x and 1.x is good as nothing so i gotta know
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[08:55:24] <tsoome> moin:)
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[14:04:31] <clapont> hi. can someone suggest a good testing way if the fiber cable's redundancy/failover? I mean, if I have 4 FC cables and I pull 3 random cables, the data traffic to continue working
[14:07:18] <clapont> the zpools are accessed via Veritas VxDMP if this matters; I know the normal "cable unplug" procedure is to 1) stop traffic 2) disable data path 3) unplug cable - but this is a "what if the cable breaks etc" test
[14:07:37] <clapont> thank you for any suggestion/opinion that someone may have
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[16:46:58] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 12256 reboot(1m) looks for 32-bit kernel only -- Marcel Telka <marcel at telka dot sk>
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[18:04:23] <jbk> you're running vxdmp on illumos?
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[18:45:13] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 4454 ldi notifications trigger vdev_disk_free() without spa_config_lock() -- Mike Gerdts <mike.gerdts at joyent dot com>
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[19:55:39] <sjorge> LeftWing we dropped of the nixspam list, still on spamcop though
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[19:55:55] <sjorge> mail now arrives again (due to the -5 for illumos.org on my end)
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[20:02:12] <jbk> would there be any opposition to creating a 'kmem_calloc()' function analogous to calloc(), that panics on overflow?
[20:02:41] <jbk> there's so many unchecked kmem_[z]alloc(num * sizeof (struct), ..) calls it seems like it might be good to have
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[20:14:11] <LeftWing> jbk: I would make `kmem_calloc()` return an error on overflow
[20:14:38] <LeftWing> But you could add another symbol for the panic version
[20:14:44] <jbk> how? a special sentinel pointer?
[20:14:51] <LeftWing> Just NULL?
[20:16:58] <jbk> but then you really can't distingush between 'no memory' and 'your arguments were bad' at least in the KM_NOSLEEP case
[20:18:32] <jbk> i suppose we could add a int * argument that sets an error value
[20:33:59] <clapont> jbk: it is a Solaris10 OS ---- SAN switch ---- Storage; more FC cables have been added and a test (plug all cables but one) needs to be done
[20:36:54] <jbk> i'm not sure illumos is the right place to be asking about solaris 10
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[20:42:29] <Agnar> clapont: I did suggested you already to get a support contract. we are willing to help on illumos...but you have a commecial product running which we can't support
[20:43:41] <jbk> we don't have the source to solaris 10, illumos forked some time after that, and has continued to diverge
[20:44:26] <jbk> i mean, as a general test, sure.. try pulling a cable and see what happens provided it's a test box
[20:44:32] <jbk> and see what happens when you re-insert it
[20:45:06] <jbk> but if something undesired happens, that's nothing we can do to help with that
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[21:02:02] <clapont> jbk: the way I think, there should be no problem with the data transfers due to the multipath
[21:02:41] <jbk> probably -- but if something's not right, we can't help
[21:03:20] <clapont> Agnar: I know, thank you. there is such a contract. patches, knowledge base, SuportRequests are accesible.. but this is something else
[21:03:51] <jbk> we don't have the necessary information (source code access, etc.) to be able to help
[21:04:54] <clapont> jbk: I don't look for help to fix something; just I'm not sure if this kind of test will work under sustained traffic
[21:13:28] <clapont> I wish to read, to buy a book or some good material, I'm not looking for something free - I asked here to get a direction; it sounds weird to open an Oracle SR for this
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[21:19:33] <clapont> leave alone the Solaris - how such a test would work in Illumos? will the Illomos/OpenIndiana/OmniOS/SmartOS handle this?
[21:32:49] <tsoome> what test?
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[21:50:26] <Agnar> clapont: nah, it's not weird. that's what support is for
[21:50:50] <Agnar> I wish I had support for my sunrays on oi adventure ;)
[22:05:00] <tsoome> :)
[22:09:11] <Agnar> I want sun dhcpd back :)
[22:12:00] <tsoome> heh, why?
[22:12:02] <LeftWing> But it was so awful :P
[22:12:06] <tsoome> mmm.
[22:12:08] <tsoome> tsoome@tribblix:/code/illumos-gate/usr/src/uts/sun4u$ echo $?
[22:12:09] <tsoome> 0
[22:12:25] <LeftWing> It's pretty easy to do the Sun Ray stuff with ISC DHCP -- it's just a set of vendor options.
[22:15:39] <Agnar> LeftWing: sure, the hell is only that utadm & folks think if you have isc, you run linux and all sanity checks will fail
[22:18:11] <LeftWing> Agnar: From what I recall, you just tell the software that you'll manage DHCP yourself on an existing network
[22:18:20] <LeftWing> Rather than have it try to manage the older style dedicated Sun Ray NIC
[22:18:27] <LeftWing> And then it doesn't care about or do anything with DHCP
[22:18:55] <LeftWing> I can't find a "utadm" manual page, but maybe something like "utadm -L on" ?
[22:19:30] <Agnar> LeftWing: yes, you have to set that manuallu in the auth.props, as utadm will fail on a sanity check that the packages are not installed ;)
[22:19:49] <LeftWing> Fair enough
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[22:20:23] <LeftWing> I suspect you could create wrappers around the SVR4 packaging tools that give it the answers it's looking for without needing to modify the software.
[22:20:52] <Agnar> LeftWing: there's another guy (Carsten) writing a handbook for sunray+oi
[22:21:01] <Agnar> and I'm alpha-testing it
[22:21:05] <LeftWing> That's cool
[22:21:11] <LeftWing> I do miss my Sun Rays
[22:21:16] <Agnar> let me say it that way: it's not even alpha ;)
[22:21:36] <Agnar> oh, I want them at home for my kids and my wife. so I don't have to fix laptops
[22:21:53] <Agnar> I have 3 SunRay 2FS
[22:22:16] <Agnar> now the Xserver fails to start...that could be easy
[22:22:39] <LeftWing> I'd just buy Chromebooks to be honest
[22:23:02] <LeftWing> Or the desktop versions
[22:23:39] <LeftWing> There is a sense in which a Chrome device is spiritually a successor to a NeWS display
[22:24:04] <Agnar> but I'd like to own my data ;)
[22:24:52] <LeftWing> LTSP perhaps?
[22:25:07] <Agnar> hrm?
[22:25:27] <LeftWing> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_Terminal_Server_Project
[22:25:45] <Agnar> ah. sorry, I read LISP :)
[22:25:49] <Agnar> and was a bit confused
[22:26:29] <LeftWing> I guess my point is that hardware as capable as a 2FS is now cheaply available and reliable, and there are software options that are maintained and open instead of proprietary
[22:27:13] <LeftWing> You can almost certainly turn some Raspberry Pis into LTSP clients, and even give each of them their own VM over SPICE or whatever
[22:27:38] <Agnar> sure, that might be another option
[22:28:01] <Agnar> ha!
[22:28:11] <Agnar> I have a login, gentlemen!
[22:28:19] <tsoome> linux is proprietary anyhow.
[22:28:38] <LeftWing> tsoome: Less so than SRSS
[22:28:52] <Agnar> and I have a desktop :))
[22:29:35] <tsoome> :D
[22:30:03] <Agnar> that was still easier than setting up anything on linux ;)
[22:30:06] <Smithx10> You might get a kick out of this one https://github.com/joyent/smartos-live/issues/898
[22:30:30] <Agnar> LeftWing: oh btw, I have to work with Linux. I try to avoid touching it at home ;))
[22:32:30] <LeftWing> Sure, I do to. But it's less screwing around for a desktop
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[22:33:12] <jimklimov-mobile> Agnar : https://www.jimklimov.com/2019/02/long-live-sunwdhcpd.html?m=1
[22:34:42] <Agnar> jimklimov-mobile: will read it tomorrow, or...I guess we can discuss that tomorrow ;)
[22:36:09] <Agnar> I need to fix the locale and font and icon problems first
[22:36:33] <jimklimov-mobile> Can't find familiar faces in Delirium :\
[22:36:53] <Agnar> so I can go to bed and have the stuff working for the booth tomorrow
[22:36:56] <jimklimov-mobile> Well there were a few byt nit from illumos city
[22:37:28] <jimklimov-mobile> *But not
[22:38:35] <andyf> Jim klimov-mobile: Woodstock , jlevon and v_a_b are in there somewhere I believe
[22:39:46] <Agnar> jimklimov-mobile: I had stomach pain this morning and I don't want to stress my stomach again
[22:40:01] <Agnar> jimklimov-mobile: that's why I stayed in the hotel
[22:41:04] <jimklimov-mobile> I did look for the black hat specifically :-)
[22:41:26] <jimklimov-mobile> Guess they hid in hardly reachable corners
[22:43:20] <andyf> I was there with hadfl at 1800 before it got too busy.
[22:45:15] <jimklimov-mobile> Yeah it still is
[22:45:54] <jimklimov-mobile> Got almost drunk, smoked and high by just strolling thru the crowd to the doors
[22:46:26] <jimklimov-mobile> Well 11pm is a proper time to go to bed
[22:46:49] <jimklimov-mobile> When does the fun in ULB start, around 9?
[22:49:01] <Agnar> probably
[22:50:37] <jimklimov-mobile> So see you tomorrow and we'll have a comfier evening location to hang out *and* hear each other, right? ;)
[22:50:54] <Agnar> hopefully :)
[22:51:02] <Agnar> I might bring some friends
[22:51:19] <jimklimov-mobile> Nice
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[23:30:03] <Agnar> ha, even audio and video works
[23:30:26] <Agnar> we can show "fork yeah" on youtube tomorrow at fosdem via the SunRay ;)
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