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[01:18:46] <wonko> So what's the secret to booting a bhyve zone from a usb thumb drive image?
[01:26:21] <Smithx10> wonko: i guess youd just mount it as a device
[01:33:33] <wonko> obviously, but what kind? what settings? how?
[01:33:42] <wonko> i tried setting it as a bootdisk
[01:33:58] <wonko> that way the zone stops without ever sending anything to the console
[01:34:24] <wonko> doing the same trick as you do with ISOs setting it as a FS first to get it mounted
[01:34:29] <wonko> or do I not need that?
[01:38:24] <wonko> hmm, same thing, straight from Zone booting up to Zone halted
[01:51:14] <Smithx10> i just usually dd it
[01:51:37] <Smithx10> and set is as the bootable blk dev
[01:55:19] <Reinhilde> Is most of the code for SMF pretty self-contained?
[01:58:24] <LeftWing> There are some libraries, some daemons, and some commands. There are also in-kernel facilities that are pretty core to the implementation; e.g., contracts.
[01:59:23] <arekinath> it's also pretty deeply tied to its idea of what starting up a system looks like (e.g. the milestones and some of the services involved)
[01:59:55] <arekinath> it's very hard to get SMF to just supervise one thing, and not manage the rest of the system, for example
[02:00:19] <Reinhilde> arekinath: i'm fine with that, if I can somehow rip out contracts without making the whole thing collapse in on itself
[02:00:53] <LeftWing> I don't think SMF would really work without contracts. They're pretty core to the whole thing.
[02:01:07] <arekinath> yeah that's not going to be easy
[02:01:09] <arekinath> it also makes pretty extensive use of doors
[02:01:17] <arekinath> and probably another half dozen other things I'm forgetting
[02:01:49] <Reinhilde> okay
[02:02:07] <Reinhilde> LeftWing: At least, it cannot work in its original shape
[02:03:08] <Reinhilde> arekinath: If it's even possible, this would be an interesting project.
[02:03:16] <LeftWing> I'm not sure how much shape would be left if you didn't have an equivalent facility
[02:03:33] <LeftWing> I would just add contracts to FreeBSD first, tbh
[02:03:40] <Reinhilde> that's probably a better idea
[02:03:49] <rmustacc> If you want to do something new, I'd suggest learning from the good and bad of the multitude of different systems and go from there.
[02:04:08] <Reinhilde> rmustacc: I don't want to do something new. I want to waste my time doing something fun.
[02:04:08] <rmustacc> Understand what are the underlying things they want from an OS across different ones, etc.
[02:04:49] <Reinhilde> A lot of things are going to need to be ripped out, in full.
[02:05:00] <Reinhilde> Including all of the default service definitions (which are only applicable for illumos)
[02:05:35] <rmustacc> Well, enjoy your experimentation, I guess?
[02:05:40] <rmustacc> I wouldn't bother asking folks on here about SMF then.
[02:07:11] <Reinhilde> I just want to know what the directory structure is so I know what I need to pull out of the gate
[02:07:15] <Reinhilde> the rest, you can ignore me on
[02:07:46] <rmustacc> Start in usr/src/cmd/svc, and then you'll figure out deps that it uses in usr/src/lib, etc.
[02:11:46] <Reinhilde> if I get something that someone would recognise as being SMF, I will inform this channel. Until then, I am leaving.
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[02:12:26] <arekinath> godspeed
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[02:35:56] <wonko> Smithx10: yeah, andy had mentioned about dd-ing it to a zvol so I guess I'll just do that then
[02:36:33] <rmustacc> You're trying to get the USB-device as a block device to be the root of the guest?
[02:40:57] <wonko> I'm trying to setup the triton headnode. All it really wants is a usb drive to boot from (and it also wants to write there) and I'm not sure how to do that in bhyve
[02:41:25] <rmustacc> OK. So when doing that, I would just create a VM with a blank zvol and dd it.
[02:41:53] <rmustacc> I would just treat the first disk as a logical USB device in a sense.
[02:42:50] <wonko> yeah, that was my next step but I was being stubborn and trying to avoid it. :)
[02:43:20] <rmustacc> I'm not sure if the illumos bhyve code has a first class USB emulation.
[02:43:35] <rmustacc> If it did, you could pass the USB device ugen nodes into the zone.
[02:53:31] <LeftWing> wonko: Yeah I don't think there's anything that requires that the Triton boot media is actually USB
[02:54:02] <wonko> rmustacc: I'm not using an actual usb device though, just the image.
[02:54:21] <wonko> LeftWing: Yeah, I know andy is running smartos from a zvol like that
[02:54:26] <wonko> so that's what I'll do
[02:54:48] <LeftWing> I did a lot of Triton and Manta development in SmartOS KVM guests that way
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[03:22:52] <wonko> well it boots now, but then it panics
[03:22:55] * wonko sighs
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[05:12:48] <LeftWing> wonko: Oh?
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[09:39:48] <sjorge> AFAIK USB passthrough doesn't even work upstream bhyve yet, you can... however passthrough the PCEe device that is the USB root bridge
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[10:03:57] <kahiru> speaking about passthrough, pci-e vga passthrough is still a no-go?
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[13:33:05] <sjorge> @nahamu ^
[13:33:25] <sjorge> IIRC he tried again recently after some success with DP out over USB
[13:33:31] <sjorge> But I think it was still busted
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[14:35:17] <wonko> LeftWing: got the boot menu, tried to press 5 but it wasn't accepting input, then it went on to try and boot and it panicked.
[14:36:10] <jlevon> with what stack!
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[16:40:46] <rann> good day all, I'm setting up smartos on a box I have which has an Intel Optane 800p ssd device. The device shows up as <drive type unknown> in the 'format' command and I was wondering if there's anything I can do about that
[16:42:18] <rann> (it's the 900p actually)
[16:42:23] <danmcd> Same question I asked on #smartos --> what does "diskinfo" say?
[16:42:43] <rann> ah sorry, didn't see :) let me check!
[16:43:49] <rann> NVME c2t1d0 INTEL SSDPED1D280GA 260.83 GiB no yes
[16:45:44] <danmcd> Woodstock answered you in #smartos.
[16:49:37] <tsoome> we really should update format there, it is not good it is unable to list device details unless partitioned...
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[16:57:21] <jlevon> tsoome: I can't talk you into just starting afresh with diskadm :)
[16:57:43] <tsoome> :D
[16:58:16] <tsoome> it would be nice, but I think not before few months:(
[16:58:38] <jlevon> indeed
[16:59:19] <andyf> Has anyone noticed any slowdown in nightly builds after this week's commits?
[17:00:06] <andyf> Mine are taking twice as long as last week
[17:01:58] <jlevon> uh oh, not smatch is it?
[17:02:26] <andyf> Don't know yet (although it's one of the things that came in this week..)
[17:03:04] <jlevon> I don't seem to see it.
[17:06:57] <tsoome> my todays build was about the same as month ago
[17:08:29] <andyf> Ok, thanks, I'll keep digging
[17:08:38] <andyf> Another OmniOS developer has reported the same thing too, which is interesting
[17:08:46] <andyf> but I think we are both building inside bhyver
[17:08:51] <andyf> *-r
[17:10:27] <jbk> double check your nightly options
[17:10:32] <andyf> 37 minutes for the non-DEBUG build.. that's more than twice as long as usual
[17:10:43] <tsoome> mine is on the same hw
[17:10:56] <andyf> jbk, nothing has changed there - it's all scripted
[17:11:04] <jbk> i got burned because the omnios illumos-gate env file was setting NIGHTLY_OPTIONS at the top of the env file, then altering them towards the bottom of the file
[17:11:18] <jbk> so it was always doing DEBUG + non-DEBUG builds
[17:11:23] <jbk> despite me only wanting DEBUG
[17:13:23] <jbk> i think the change for just putting all the env files in illumos-gate fixes that (if not, really.. please only set/alter variables in one spot in the env files)
[17:15:49] <andyf> Yes, I can see how that could have caused a headache..
[17:22:23] <rzezeski> It didn't bite me but I was lucky enough to scroll the entire env file. I can see how that might trip someone up.
[17:25:34] <andyf> Yeah, it needs fixing
[17:27:01] <andyf> Looking back at my build logs, it usually takes 1n hour to do a nightly - the build I'm doing now will take 2, and user time is double what it usually is
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[17:54:27] <xzilla> any chance anyone here has gotten illumos working on one of these? https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/boards-kits/nuc/kits/nuc7i7dnke.html
[17:58:43] <LeftWing> xzilla: I've used a 6th generation NUC fairly extensively. Do you have one of those and are having issues, or are you considering buying?
[17:59:04] <jlevon> some NUCs work at least. some have troubles
[17:59:29] <jlevon> e.g. seems to work ok on my NUC6i7KYK
[18:06:02] <xzilla> considering buying. seems like it might work well for doing conference demos
[18:06:40] <xzilla> ie, i could load up illumos on there, set up a few zones, and connect my laptop via local wifi to work with the servers
[18:07:54] <xzilla> primarily this is to avoid needing to use cloud services and/or conference wifi, which is just looking for trouble, but it'd be a nice bonus if I could do that with illumos as the target OS
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[18:25:36] <wonko> LeftWing: This boot I managed to mash 5 and get to the boot options menu, but now it appears to just be hung.
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[18:26:43] <wonko> bhyve is just sitting there using 2.5% cpu
[18:31:20] <tsoome> wonko: serial console?
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[18:45:44] <wonko> tsoome: zlogin -C
[18:46:01] <tsoome> uefi ?
[18:46:04] <wonko> yes
[18:46:19] <wonko> this is the same config as I was using to run stock smartos
[18:46:34] <wonko> the triton image is a bit dodgier it seems
[18:46:38] <tsoome> can you try bios firmware with that bhyve?
[18:46:49] <wonko> beats me, I can look into it though
[18:46:59] <wonko> I have never used bhyve before
[18:48:08] <wonko> I'm also wondering if I should just add a serial port to it. Can bhyve do virtual serial ports? Not saying that would help but worth trying I guess.
[18:48:29] <tsoome> the edk2 uefi has buggy serial IO protocol and keypresses are missed.
[18:48:37] <wonko> halt/boot and same thing. I can hit 5 to get to the Boot Options menu but then it just hangs. At least it's consistent. :)
[18:48:53] <wonko> oh, so that would probably be worse then. :)
[18:49:17] <wonko> this time i'm not going to hit 5 and let it try to boot and see if it panics again
[18:49:30] <tsoome> the thing also is, are you sure it is hung and not outputting on “video” console?
[18:50:05] <wonko> does it even do that?
[18:50:16] <wonko> os console default for smartos is ttyb
[18:50:16] <tsoome> I should post one patch to set console based on ConOut variable…
[18:50:50] <wonko> but i'm still in the boot menu
[18:50:56] <wonko> so that *shouldn't* apply yet?
[18:51:03] <wonko> I haven't actually booted the kernel
[18:51:05] <tsoome> hm.
[18:52:12] <wonko> resurrecting the 6105 is starting to look like a good option. :)
[18:52:15] <tsoome> can you try to get to ok prompt?
[18:52:53] <wonko> i just happened to be booting it (was going to let it try to boot for that panic) and was able to smash esc at the right time
[18:52:56] <wonko> I'm at the ok prompt now
[18:53:30] <wonko> hmm, it was real dodgy about accepting input and now things are frozen again
[18:53:34] <tsoome> are commands ls and lsdev working?
[18:53:40] <wonko> now frozen
[18:53:44] <wonko> just really bad input dropping
[18:54:07] <tsoome> entering text may be taunting when keypresses are missed
[18:54:22] <wonko> had to hit l 12 times to get an l, s twice and enter twice
[18:54:24] <wonko> but I get output from ls
[18:54:45] <tsoome> ok, so it is not hung, just really bad input.
[18:54:52] <wonko> yeah
[18:55:24] <wonko> typed boot to see what happens
[18:55:40] <tsoome> we can “cure” this by using bios version of serial console — bios version is reading port directly
[18:56:07] <wonko> I wonder why the triton image has such issue with this but I had zero trouble with SmartOS
[18:56:40] <tsoome> you may have been lucky
[18:56:52] <wonko> I'm never lucky. It's gotta be something else. :D
[18:57:00] <tsoome> enter show console
[18:57:11] <tsoome> what port is used there?
[18:57:30] <wonko> let me restart it quick. boot is doing god knows what at this point.
[19:01:14] <wonko> at the ok prompt. Give me an hour to type that in. That's a lot of dropped characters. :-D
[19:02:08] <wonko> ttyb,ttya,ttyc,ttyd,text
[19:03:32] <tsoome> enter command: console
[19:04:45] <wonko> https://gist.github.com/bhechinger/c93329ed5e58597194f762d0f26df0e8
[19:06:12] <tsoome> ok, ttya and ttyb are both ‘present, so the question is, which one is visible there..
[19:07:10] <wonko> the directions for installing say switch to text because SOL defaults to ttyb
[19:07:15] <wonko> so I'm going to guess not ttyb?
[19:07:31] <tsoome> you can try: set console=ttya if this does not return ok, then set console=ttyb
[19:08:01] <tsoome> after this set, you should get ok prompt back
[19:08:50] <wonko> yeah, if I have to type that without seeing that might not work out so well. :)
[19:09:49] <wonko> didn't lose the console but still dropping characters so I'm guessing we were already on ttya?
[19:10:01] <tsoome> yes
[19:10:27] <tsoome> enter boot -b console=ttya
[19:10:36] <tsoome> oops not -b, -B
[19:10:58] <wonko> ok, need to restart it. tried setting console to text which didn't work. :)
[19:11:54] <tsoome> yes, that was what console command did tell you:)
[19:14:07] <wonko> branching out on my own! :-D
[19:14:42] <wonko> I tried it because the installation instructions say to, but I guess now that I think about it that doesn't make sense because we're not on a vga console right now.
[19:16:31] <wonko> oh, I get the ACPI SRAT warning this time
[19:16:33] <wonko> that's new. :)
[19:17:03] <wonko> console no longer drops characters
[19:17:15] <wonko> and I can set things up, so this is great, thanks!
[19:18:00] <tsoome> the thing is, when console has multiple values and os_console is not set, the kernel will pick first element from the list - in your case ttyb.
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[19:23:13] <tsoome> once you have set system up, make sure you have console=ttya in boot media
[19:25:51] <wonko> I wonder why they choose ttyb to be their default
[19:26:30] <tsoome> physical hosts have remote management on ttyb
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[19:34:48] <wonko> Oh right, I forgot about that. Been 10 years since I touched a sun box. 😁
[19:37:20] <wonko> woot: https://gist.github.com/bhechinger/e496a0abde126b28a3858d2c4e4a6622
[19:37:22] <wonko> thanks tsoome
[19:38:26] <tsoome> yw
[19:39:27] <tsoome> should really find why edk2 does this - I have seen the same with qemu:(
[19:40:59] <wonko> I'm really curious what's different between the triton image and the standard smartos image. That's weird.
[19:41:25] <tsoome> most likely bios versus uefi
[19:42:16] <wonko> uefi on both
[19:42:30] <wonko> it's literally the same zone config file just booting from a different image
[19:42:56] <tsoome> mkay
[19:44:35] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 11797 i86pc: cast between incompatible function types -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
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[19:48:12] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 11798 apix: cast between incompatible function types -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
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