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[00:01:12] <nikolam> Anyone knows if illumos (and distros) support Intel's TME (Total Memory Encryption), where it is known that Intel support (KVM etc) is better fro illumso then for AMD.
[00:03:51] <nikolam> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_data_storage#Security
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[00:08:11] <jbk> i don't believe there's currently any support for that
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[00:33:25] <AmyMalik> the base repo for ozfs should have been bsd or illumos not the fucking poetteringos version
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[00:40:26] <LeftWing> AmyMalik: Let's keep it civil, please.
[00:40:41] <AmyMalik> civility is a cudgel
[00:40:58] <LeftWing> Perhaps, but it's one we're going to wield in here please.
[00:41:34] <AmyMalik> and the reaction is going to be a leaden baseball bat.
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[00:44:12] <LeftWing> Well, then!
[00:52:36] <Smithx10> hahahahahaha
[00:56:50] <_Tenchi_> mental illness is rarely a laughing matter
[00:59:01] <LeftWing> Let's not armchair diagnose people either, I feel
[00:59:19] <LeftWing> We can ask people to behave, and they can choose not to, it's fine :P
[01:01:18] <alanc> plenty of people are jerks without having any mental illness
[01:03:06] <LeftWing> Yes siree
[01:11:41] <Smithx10> or... they are just trolling
[01:13:26] <zsj> we're at least a year or two from poetteringos. and it's not like it'll incorporate cddl code anyway. I'll stick with gentoo all the same
[01:14:08] <zsj> funnily enough, it's the only one poettering rails about
[01:15:10] <zsj> https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-1104112-highlight-tmpfiles.html
[01:15:30] <Smithx10> zsj: you try void?
[01:16:15] <zsj> no. should I? gentoo has been my main os since 2004
[01:17:36] <danmcd> Why does the weird shit happen during dinnertime, US/Eastern?
[01:19:51] <Smithx10> zsj: its been nice, uses runit
[01:20:07] <Smithx10> there is a glibc, and musl version
[01:20:19] <Smithx10> and... I have a lx branded zone image for it :P
[01:22:14] <zsj> I'm going to sound like a heretic, I run systemd. I've read up on runit and s6, but on my personal machines, I prefer it
[01:22:45] <Smithx10> zsj: hahaha im not a init system nerd
[01:23:05] <Smithx10> computers are here to do work :P
[01:23:51] <Smithx10> My Workstation for work is arch, has the systemd'
[01:24:40] <zsj> my main pain with lennart is pulling the rug under from me
[01:25:02] <Smithx10> where is the finish line?
[01:25:13] <Smithx10> homed was pretty funny
[01:25:15] <zsj> used to run a systemwide pulseaudio server while that was still in the cards for remote audio. then he said oh no, that's wrong, nono
[01:25:33] <zsj> sometime before ``glitchless''
[01:25:35] <danmcd> Interface Stability is a Big Deal... more big than way too many people realize. It's one of the big takeaways from Sun engineering culture IMHO.
[01:26:02] <Smithx10> yea, for my work stuff I try to keep the process spinning up as simple as possible
[01:26:40] <Smithx10> not a feeling shared by many now adays
[01:26:51] <zsj> I had a beautiful setup with amarok on laptop doing audio output on my desktop speakers. then it was verboten and killed with fire
[01:27:01] <danmcd> To the world's detriment, @Smithx10.
[01:27:19] * danmcd realizes that the reason his served-by-zone builds are slower than served-by-global because his nfs-zone only has 2GB assigned to it, plus ZFS I/O throttle. :)
[01:27:42] <Smithx10> hahahaa
[01:28:22] <zsj> that was about pulseaudio 0.9.16 to 0.9.17
[01:28:47] <LeftWing> danmcd: How much memory cap does the usermode part of nfsd actually _use_?
[01:28:53] <danmcd> Wait until I put non-DEBUG bits on there.
[01:29:04] <LeftWing> I would think a lot of the memory there ends up not being billed to the zone in a way that the rss/swap cap would limit it
[01:29:25] <danmcd> @LeftWing no idea, but I'm assuming zone resource caps worm their way into the kernel for at least anything being called with user context.
[01:29:54] <LeftWing> I mean, only for things in the process address space I would think
[01:30:02] <danmcd> Ahhh, time to either reboot -d or savecore -L + reboot, and try the non-DEBUG version.
[01:30:04] <LeftWing> I wouldn't expect anything in kas to be billed there
[01:30:14] <LeftWing> But I may well be totally wrong
[01:30:26] <Smithx10> Are you guys talking about systemd's new nfsd feature? :P
[01:30:30] <danmcd> It could also be ZFS zone I/O throttle as well.
[01:31:27] <Smithx10> speaking of complexity.... kubecon is happening
[01:32:17] <zsj> what's better than shipping your laptop image to prod than shipping all laptop images to prod
[01:33:51] <richlowe> jbk: what's the ::h<hex> on mangled rust?
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[03:13:59] <jbk> a disambiguator essentially
[03:14:08] <jbk> the value itself is derived internally
[03:14:12] <jbk> by rustc
[03:14:26] <jbk> (i think it's a hash of various pieces of info on the function)
[03:17:22] <jbk> and basically they're output because the rust demangler outputs them too :)
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[10:23:37] <andyf> Oh, we may never get @reboot support in cron then :D
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[13:21:56] <tsoome> yess. 12000 is mine:)
[13:22:08] <andyf> Woohoo! \o/
[13:22:21] <andyf> I saw you get 11999 earlier
[13:22:59] <andyf> I just had a new panic, caused by zone_free() calling cpu_uarray_free(NULL)
[13:23:09] <andyf> I wonder why I've never seen that before
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[13:25:56] <jlevon> double free or some other corruption sounds like. that is zalloced at zone create time
[13:27:05] <andyf> zone_create() is calling zone_free() - presumably before zone_init() has been called - https://paste.ec/paste/gCay6flh#sr7KwarMlLqoOLEpo8McHH9mOBGSeKYKtYRF2RpnnvS
[13:30:00] <jlevon> uggh. yeah. will fix
[13:30:01] <jlevon> sorry
[13:30:20] <andyf> I just need to work out which of set_name, set_root or set_privset is failing for me
[13:30:39] <andyf> or try going back to an old BE
[13:30:53] <jlevon> yeah but regardless the code is screwed.
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[13:32:30] <andyf> old BE booted, so I'm back up and running
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[14:00:14] <igork> vioif pnic: https://paste.dilos.org/?dd0b062e48685f2c#+gSwn+dpZxKwn2JUPTY9CBGtFmYXCLg1FsJjJhGprrk=
[14:00:35] <igork> we have a lot of places in vioif_attach() with goto fail
[14:00:46] <igork> where mutix not initialized and enter
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[14:49:16] <jlevon> tsoome: did I mention the CRC thing here, or are you just a mind-reader?
[14:49:41] <tsoome> I did notice it some time ago, I was just lazy:)
[14:49:54] <tsoome> well, busy….
[14:50:58] <jlevon> broken by 11459 right?
[14:52:13] <tsoome> could be, i did not track when it did appear
[14:52:29] <jlevon> that rounded the value up to sector size
[14:52:49] <tsoome> yea
[14:53:26] <tsoome> I now have the seqence with format, but then need to start with zpool because it is broken too....
[14:53:35] <tsoome> :D
[14:56:24] <tsoome> mdb disk_label module has already proven to be quite invaluable tool:)
[15:01:06] <Kurlon> Nice job on the bootloader fix bug hunt btw tsoome.
[15:04:45] <jlevon> tsoome: yeah, I'm glad I took the time to finally put it in the gate. I've had something similar in $HOME for more than a decade :)
[15:09:07] <tsoome> Kurlon: thanks, there is still one target loose
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[15:12:40] <clapont> hi.. any idea how I could attach a new_device to a old_device made from two separate devices?
[15:13:21] <clapont> it would be a total of three devices ((two smaller) + (one bigger than the first two))
[15:14:26] <clapont> I am trying to mirror the old_device(s), then after the Zpool is mirrored, to offline the old old_device(s)
[15:16:23] <tsoome> clapont: zfs does mirror individual disks, so you need to have mirror side at least same size
[15:17:10] <tsoome> but if you want to migrate your data to new pool, you can use zfs send | zfs receive
[15:21:07] <clapont> tsoome: the new device is bigger than the old_device (made of two drives). isn't this enough ?
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[15:22:00] <tsoome> depends on how much data you have. if you want to use zfs send, the new pool can be smaller
[15:22:16] <tsoome> with mirror you need to have at least same size.
[15:22:40] <clapont> I would (ideally) use mirroring for resilvering - thus transparent data copy
[15:23:15] <clapont> yes, i have. the destination (the new device) is bigger than the two smaller devices which form the zpool atm
[15:26:52] <clapont> this zpool had a 4G; I added another 6G; now I wish to add 20GB and remove the old ones
[15:27:43] <clapont> the Solaris manual for "zpool attach" says "zpool attach pool existing-device new-device"
[15:28:11] <clapont> I am in the case when the "existing-device" has two devices "added"
[15:28:51] <tsoome> if you have 2 vdevs in pool, you need another 2 to mirror them
[15:30:22] <clapont> this new one is double than the existing two joined together
[15:31:19] <tsoome> there is one way how you can mirror, but it not beautiful….
[15:31:21] <clapont> can this be done with attach? or another way of transparently copying data?
[15:31:41] <clapont> say, please... I will try my best
[15:32:18] <tsoome> but why not zfs send? it is simple enough
[15:33:36] <clapont> because the data is used meantime
[15:35:31] <jimklimov> "added 6g" means concatenation here?
[15:35:37] <tsoome> you can send in 2 passes - firt pass while data is used, then stop clients, snapshot again, send final diff.
[15:36:17] <clapont> exactly this I wish to avoid, stopping clients
[15:36:20] <jimklimov> so you have a raid0 of 4g+6g on one side, and want to mirror it into 20g on another?
[15:36:44] <clapont> right, exactly as you said; they are both on the same server
[15:39:37] <tsoome> anyhow. you can create 2 partitions on 20G disk, first one at least as big as whole data is, another either 4G or 6G. then attach the slices to form the mirror. once resilver is done, split the mirror and zfs remove smaller slice from new pool; once data ise moved to larger chunk you can remove small partition, grow large one and the pool. but as I wrote, it is ugly. and you wont get whole disk setup (the cache will be disabled).
[15:42:49] <clapont> ugly indeed..
[15:46:58] <tsoome> we can not build mirror of stripes, we can build stripe from mirrors.
[15:50:47] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 11991 format: first efi partition can start from efi_first_u_lba -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
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[15:52:53] <ptribble> Using zfs send and receive is far and away the best way to do this
[15:54:23] <ptribble> If shutting down isn't an option then it's possible (on newer pools) to add the new device, remove the old ones, and rely on device evacuation to do its magic
[15:57:05] <clapont> ptribble: thank you for confirmation & addon. I would not upgrade the zpools..
[16:03:31] <tsoome> danmcd: it seems 11791 is not disturbed by 11820
[16:03:41] <danmcd> Oh wonderful!
[16:04:30] <danmcd> Are there new/improved/similar problems with the big wad, though?
[16:04:39] <danmcd> That's the question I forgot to ask.
[16:05:07] <tsoome> can not tell yet, would need to have gcc 8 build kicked on:D
[16:05:27] <danmcd> I think that would be a good idea.
[16:08:09] <tsoome> running on my gcc8 branch:D
[16:33:05] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 12000 mdb: disk_label does compute gpt partition array crc wrong -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
[16:43:01] <tsoome> danmcd: gcc8 does get idm module built, but there are some other errors introduced, so my bug list will grow longer anyhow:)
[16:43:59] <danmcd> Okay, but no new ones in the class you're fixing with 11791?
[16:45:21] <tsoome> no new ones there
[16:45:56] <danmcd> Thx. Transcribed the above to the RTI request & approval.
[17:13:26] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 11791 idm: this statement may fall through -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
[17:56:55] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 11965 crypto tests only test multi-part operations a byte at a time -- Jason King <jason.king at joyent dot com>
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[19:25:45] <sjorge> Is it me or has there been a lot more stuff goin upstream as of late? Seems to be a lot of ZFS stuff via Jerry, SMB stuff via Gorden and seen nfs stuff via Dan. And those are just the bigger pieces, lots of loader and gcc fixed too
[19:26:35] <tsoome> sjorge: thats only good:)
[19:27:02] <sjorge> I didn’t say it wasn’t :p
[19:27:56] <sjorge> Was wondering if it actually was or just because I’ve been getting the RTI mails now instead of checking every few weeks via topic box...
[19:28:15] <sjorge> Actually GitHub would probably show this, need to check when I am on PC
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[19:46:49] <jimklimov> octodroid or fasthub can be your new friends too, when not on PC ;)
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[21:23:52] <jbk> i suspect the answer is "you can't" but just in case I missed it somewhere.. if a process has multiple tty/ptys open, and one of those devices generates a SIGINT (i.e. someone on one of those terminals hits ^C), there's no way to tell which one was the source, is there?
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[21:28:15] <LeftWing> jbk: Use raw mode instead of cooked mode, and process the incoming ^C yourself?
[21:33:06] <jbk> though that'd mean also processing the other editing chars (^W, backspace, etc.) as well, right?
[22:01:08] <LeftWing> Yes
[22:01:22] <LeftWing> But the line editing in the discipline sucks anyway
[22:10:02] <jbk> actually... we have libtecla which i think could do all of this for me...
[22:11:54] <richlowe> What is "This" that leaves you in that situation?
[22:11:58] <tsoome> ficl-sys is also using libtecla:)
[22:12:13] <richlowe> LeftWing: did you look at the debug stuff?
[22:12:27] <jbk> richlowe: more or less process key characters that are normally handled in cooked mode
[22:13:36] <jbk> the big thing is if a process has multiple terminals open, and one of them hits ^C, I don't know if a way to tell _which_ one was the cause, and looking at man pages hasn't suggested anything
[22:14:04] <jbk> the alternate is to fork for each one, and then use some sort of IPC (pipes, or specific signals) between the two
[22:14:21] <jbk> which is certainly doable, but more complicated
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[22:44:31] <richlowe> jbk: I was wondering why you had multiple terminals open
[22:45:23] <jbk> oh
[22:46:10] <jbk> in this case, it's doing something similar to sulogin, and if you have multiple vts configured, apparently the expectation is that such prompting will appear on all of them
[22:46:40] <jbk> and i was hoping to avoid doing what sulogin does (fork + special signals between child and parent)
[22:48:01] <jbk> granted, i have no clue if anyone actually uses vts or not.. but unfortunately, i probably cannot assume 'no'
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[23:09:35] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 11863 SMB2 CREATE should validate impersonation level -- Andrew Stormont <astormont at racktopsystems dot com>
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