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[00:19:29] <despair86> so, pcieb`pcieb_intr_handler(ffffff0d0458c240, 0)
[00:20:03] <despair86> the device at ffffff0d0458c240: https://snowlight.net/files/bug/mdb_devinfo1.jpg https://snowlight.net/files/bug/mdb_devinfo2.jpg
[00:20:49] <Reinhilde> does anyone presently use an illumos installation or ship an illumos distribution that has had SMF ripped out?
[00:32:28] <Reinhilde> not saying that smf is a bad idea (it's not), but i'm curious as to if anyone has played with ripping out SMF.
[00:32:57] <LeftWing> I don't imagine so, but Peter Tribble has written about making a tiny minimal illumos system before
[00:33:32] <LeftWing> despair86: That command should have been fine to write the variable. What error message did you get?
[00:33:40] <despair86> symbol not found
[00:36:25] <Reinhilde> LeftWing: I guess that'd be the closest thing to somebody ripping SMF out
[00:36:46] <LeftWing> despair86: Oh I guess it's in a module
[00:37:22] <LeftWing> So maybe... ::bp pcieb`_init
[00:37:26] <LeftWing> Then :c
[00:37:39] <LeftWing> And it should stop again once that module is loaded and you can write the variable
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[00:41:23] <despair86> ok got to a login prompt, let's see what fmdump has, because it spat out another message
[00:47:35] <despair86> the PCI bus stops responding altogether, but input, disk, and the dumb framebuffer work. Will configure dump device so i can send that instead
[00:50:39] <LeftWing> despair86: That's great. Should be easier to make progress with the system up, I would say
[00:50:47] <LeftWing> fmdump -eVp might contain the sort of information we'd like to have
[00:51:09] <Reinhilde> i'm still curious as to how one could theoretically work around the "no booting off of multidisk pools" issue - small UFS disk that overlay mounts the multi-disk pool root?
[01:06:37] <despair86> ok this time we have network
[01:06:46] * despair86 relieved slightly
[01:11:28] <LeftWing> Reinhilde: I'm not 100% sure what's stopping multi disk pools from booting, at least in the cases where the /devices paths have not changed
[01:11:38] <LeftWing> Or if there even is anything
[01:12:03] <LeftWing> GRUB wasn't able to read the pools but I'm reasonably sure the current boot loader can
[01:14:50] <Reinhilde> Let's say that we're loading from Grub, but kernel and modules are stored on a partition Grub can read (this is what I do with my BSD system).
[01:16:54] <despair86> https://www.illumos.org/attachments/1869 https://www.illumos.org/attachments/1870
[01:24:35] <despair86> oh right
[01:24:42] <despair86> i'm also showing only four CPUs
[01:24:48] * despair86 gasps
[01:29:42] <LeftWing> Well that'll be something to investigate too!
[01:29:49] <LeftWing> There might be some sort of ACPI issue
[01:33:08] <LeftWing> Every new system contains a whole new firmware adventure
[01:39:14] <despair86> hope all that helps tho
[01:39:16] * despair86 smiles
[01:40:06] <LeftWing> despair86: Is the system still up? It might help to add "prtconf -vdD" output to the issue if you can
[01:40:25] <LeftWing> That includes a dump of all the devices we can see
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[02:17:55] <despair86> yeah i can even SSH now
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[02:20:12] <despair86> https://www.illumos.org/issues/11953?next_issue_id=11952
[02:20:22] <despair86> https://www.illumos.org/attachments/1871
[02:20:23] <despair86> oops
[02:40:32] <despair86> furthermore, updating to the latest Quadro r440 driver now supports the GTX1650
[02:40:47] <Reinhilde> wow
[02:40:50] <Reinhilde> nice.
[02:40:55] <despair86> which now leaves me in roughly the same state i had with OpenBSD a few months back in a VM
[02:41:14] <despair86> where on openbsd, i had to disable the KVM pvclock driver to boot
[02:41:26] <despair86> here i have to hardcode the pcieb_die thing
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[03:23:45] <Reinhilde> LeftWing: was it you who warned me about the manifest brokenness of attempting to run an illumos distro on a dirty (i.e. has a non-illumos operating system on already) pool?
[03:26:59] <LeftWing> Reinhilde: I'm not sure, but I can imagine it would present challenges.
[03:27:38] <LeftWing> I don't think that *has* to be true, but, e.g., beadm likely expects a particular layout and to be the only thing in the pool
[03:28:45] <Reinhilde> LeftWing: well I won't be using beadm anyway. I already don't use the equivalent on my freebsd system
[03:29:03] <Reinhilde> I essentially use the zfs pool like it's a ufs partition in that sense.
[03:29:18] <LeftWing> If you use pkg to update things, it uses beadm on your behalf
[03:29:59] <LeftWing> You could build a custom distribution that was amenable to being in a foreign pool, but that's a lot of work and I'm not sure what value it'd provide
[03:33:04] <Reinhilde> LeftWing: i also don't plan to use IPS.
[03:37:41] <Reinhilde> so I know that I don't plan to use beadm if I do "foreignpool"
[03:44:38] <Reinhilde> as far as the 2038 problem... isn't a possibility for this to have a 64-bit time_t on 32-bit? although that would break binary compatibility
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[04:10:55] <LeftWing> You could certainly imagine a largetime analogue of our largefile support
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[04:12:45] <Reinhilde> crudding hell
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[04:20:29] <Reinhilde> fun times: http://ptribble.blogspot.com/2015/09/fixing-slim.html
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[04:46:22] <Reinhilde> jeffpc: cubed potato
[04:46:28] <jeffpc> ?
[04:47:39] <Reinhilde> jeffpc: in your view, what's the best illumos distribution/variant to attempt to do my single pool dual boot mad science experiment?
[04:48:06] <jeffpc> I have no context; I don't actually know what you are trying to do
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[04:54:23] <Reinhilde> jeffpc: install an illumos distribution such that at least the / directory, if not the kernel itself (which I plan to load off a pcfs slice/partition, analogous to how I load freebsd's kernel and zfs.ko off an ext2 slice/partition, because I use GRUB2 from an ancient linux as my boot loader), is mounted off of a dataset that exists on a zfs pool that already has FreeBSD on it.
[04:55:28] <jeffpc> any generic illumos distro should do
[04:56:17] <Reinhilde> provided that it doesn't manipulate boot environments, I assume
[04:56:22] <despair86> how many are there left at this point
[04:58:08] <jeffpc> they all do
[04:58:15] <jeffpc> well, the generic ones
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[04:58:30] <Reinhilde> jeffpc: is tribblix considered generic
[04:58:44] <jeffpc> I suppose it is
[04:58:47] <jeffpc> at least IMO
[05:00:57] <LeftWing> I never really understood the whole dual booting thing. Virtualisation seems more practical.
[05:02:22] <despair86> yes
[05:02:51] <Reinhilde> LeftWing: it is, on a system with more than 2^64 GB of ram
[05:03:37] <despair86> this is what i keep a linux VM for on my mostly-working pc for: having moved everything to some kind of unix system (openbsd or illumos) there is exactly one linux-only app that i still use. if it wasn't proprietary i'd have ported it myself by now
[05:04:07] <Reinhilde> lel
[05:04:39] <LeftWing> Reinhilde: I had 16GB on my Macbook in the past, and I ran several SmartOS VMs (using VMware Fusion) alongside the regular desktop stuff
[05:05:19] <Reinhilde> i have 8GB on a FreeBSD machine and I can barely run the host system
[05:13:11] <Reinhilde> and I'm already at least dual booted on this system
[05:13:13] <Reinhilde> so
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[05:21:26] <LeftWing> Fair enough
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[06:53:41] <despair86> weird
[06:54:02] <despair86> i can't update to virtualbox 6.0.14
[06:54:14] <despair86> or install the latest system/core-os pkg
[06:56:08] <despair86> a 'pkg update -v' only returns like 5-10 packages
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[07:27:57] <despair86> oh ok
[07:28:01] <despair86> found the problem
[07:28:14] <despair86> had mpg123 from localhostoih installed, which blocked all the other package updates
[07:29:29] <v_a_b> Reinhilde Sorry, missed your question last night. The c't stands for Computertechnik -- it started as a supplement to an electronics mag. You can buy it worldwide and d/l a PDF. It obviously is in German though :-)
[07:30:37] <Reinhilde> How did ComputerTechnik turn from a supplement to its own mag
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[07:55:30] <v_a_b> The supplement got bigger and bigger and the electronics mag got smaller and smaller as nobody wanted to solder any more...
[07:57:21] <v_a_b> This was in the early '80s.
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[08:23:15] <Reinhilde> v_a_b: what was the electronics mag called
[08:23:29] <Reinhilde> obviously the supplement is the only part that's sold anymore
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[09:16:29] <v_a_b> It was called "elrad". They ran it until 1997, then sold it to another publisher, who went bankrupt in 1998 (according to German wikipedia).
[09:20:28] <clapont> hi.. I come back with the /dev/dsk/c* having over 1000 entries although there are only few cables and under 10zpools.. "touch /reconfigure + init 6", or "devfsadm -C" did not help. any suggestion? thank you very much!
[09:21:56] <tsoome> clapont: how many disks you actually have?
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[09:23:27] <clapont> disks.. you mean zpools? under 15 luns ; some zpools have more Luns (to increase size)
[09:24:27] <clapont> tsoome: and three LUNs are used for i/o fencing
[09:25:35] <tsoome> no, actual disks, physical or luns
[09:25:52] <clapont> tsoome: luns are under 15, fc luns
[09:27:56] <clapont> tsoome: "luxadm probe" says 100
[09:29:19] <tsoome> we have a bit annoying setup, on x86, 16 partitions are supported per disk, every partition has device node in /dev/dsk; + *p0 device for whole disk and p1-p4 for MBR partitions; and another whole disk device for EFI. that it, for one disk, we have up to 21 device nodes in /dev/dsk.
[09:30:02] <tsoome> + the same amount in /dev/rdsk :D
[09:30:05] <ptribble> And if you have multipathing each device can appear multiple times
[09:30:34] <ptribble> And if the backend does multipathing as well it multiplies again
[09:30:52] <tsoome> unless you have mpxio enabled, whicl will clean things up a bit
[09:31:35] <clapont> I know that the MP multiplies the number.. the original problem is that a "zpool import" takes 10mins and the cause seems to be the 1000 entries..
[09:33:54] <tsoome> yes and no. scanning through them all can take a time, but that time per device is cut when the partition is not defined (the size is 0) and we can not read the surface.
[09:34:39] <clapont> I'm not sure what you mean by "when the partition is not defined (the size is 0)
[09:35:19] <tsoome> however, on first access, not only zpool import is reading the disks, but also the kernel will need to fetch partition tables from disks etc, so it all will sum up.
[09:35:27] <clapont> all LUNs are used, all zpools accessible; if I import by "-d full_path" it takes few seconds
[09:36:26] <tsoome> my guess is that the pool scan would need to be profiled to figure out what exactly is taking most of the time and then to see what can we do about it..
[09:39:44] <clapont> tsoome: you mean truss?
[09:40:10] <ptribble> It also has to go talk to UFS, disksuite, veritas if you have them, to check that the device isn't being used by anything else
[09:41:14] <clapont> ptribble: Veritas VCS; but the Veritas is importing the zpool quick, in few minutes 2-3 maybe
[09:41:38] <tsoome> clapont: or dtrace
[09:47:53] <tsoome> I am pretty sure there should be ways to improve; with truss we can see some thread(s) are trying to open non-existing slices (/9: 0.2513 openat64(7, "c3t0d0s12", O_RDONLY) Err#5 EIO), we should have slice setup established from reading the partition data, and we could avoid opening every single device node from /dev/dsk.
[09:49:48] <tsoome> especially as getting that EIO seems to be rather expensive in terms of time.
[09:52:02] <clapont> all LUNs have the standard format, s2 is the used slice; aside of 3 LUNs used for VCS I/O fencing I cannot see anything wrong
[09:55:21] <tsoome> it is not about having wrong setup, it is about zpool import doing (too much?) work.
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[10:00:04] <tsoome> the libzfs seems to try to avoid to open minor nodes without the pool; so there must be something else walking there
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[10:16:25] <clapont> "truss -c" top statistics are 2600 ioctl, 1354f fstat64, 2363 pread64, 744 close, 697 open64, 693 fcntl
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[12:35:22] <clapont> on one server the Zpool is imported as "stor0_1" on another as "/dev/vx/dmp/stor0_1" - a recommendation for where I should look/read
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[12:38:13] <clapont> and thank you :-)
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[12:43:48] <clapont> I mean... if I import by "-d /dev/vx/dmp/stor0_1" the status shows "/dev/vx/dmp/stor0_1" but if I do "zpool import" it will show as "stor0_1"
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[17:27:55] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 11934 One more typo in zone_sun.tab -- Alexander Pyhalov <apyhalov at gmail dot com>
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[18:07:15] <igork> danmcd: do you have some tests repost of your changes #11928 where you can provide diff before your changes and after?
[18:08:34] <igork> *tests reports
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[19:05:56] <danmcd> Oh yes.
[19:06:00] <danmcd> Will update the bug report.
[19:06:28] <igork> danmcd: thanks
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[19:16:25] <danmcd> @igork done
[19:18:33] <Reinhilde> wark
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[19:27:05] <igork> jbk: will you upstream https://github.com/joyent/illumos-joyent/commit/866e3facd12e76ece54e4fa072e9dbf8952df204 ?
[19:27:54] <jbk> yes, that's next on my list after the cbc-pad is integrated (it's submitted for RTI, so that should be soon)
[19:28:01] <igork> thanks
[19:28:23] <jbk> (that should eliminate all the changes in usr/src/test/crypto-test between illumos-joyent and illumos-gate)
[19:28:36] <igork> ok, thanks for info
[19:28:43] <igork> i just found it missed inillumos
[19:30:36] <jbk> given how long that bug has been around, i don't think too many people are using AES-CTR from PKCS#11 :)
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[19:58:19] <Reinhilde> wark
[20:05:55] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 11951 smatch sometimes flags problems with ipmp_snap_take() -- Jason King <jason.king at joyent dot com>
[20:18:47] <igork> jperkin: ping
[20:18:57] <igork> did you try build boot-1.67 ?
[20:18:58] <igork> https://paste.dilos.org/?3484959847533739#S70P5iXXlicafvJkTzTvsGybt3+do4U9G7V6lJamA8w=
[20:19:50] <igork> i'm interested in ld issue - is it only present to me or to others too?
[20:23:54] <despair86> for the record, what illumos distributions run on SPARC in the first place?
[20:24:09] <igork> despair86: i'm using it on T5220
[20:24:18] <despair86> yeah ok dilos is one
[20:24:30] <igork> it is not desktop, but server
[20:24:38] <LeftWing> dilos is pretty far from stock illumos. Tribblix is much closer.
[20:24:39] <igork> i think triblox too
[20:24:47] <igork> *triblix
[20:25:09] <Reinhilde> LeftWing: Dilos is more like Debian illumos, nah?
[20:25:23] <igork> Reinhilde: nope
[20:25:57] <Reinhilde> igork: i thought y'all used dpkg
[20:26:03] <Reinhilde> despair86: pretty much any, if you're willing to do the work ;-)
[20:26:04] <igork> dilos contain packages build from debian userland, but it is not debian as is
[20:26:29] <LeftWing> I have Tribblix m20.6 running on a T1000: SunOS t1000-a 5.11 tribblix-m20.6 sun4v sparc SUNW,Sun-Fire-T1000
[20:26:35] <igork> Reinhilde: yes, dilos is using dpkg + apt
[20:26:57] <LeftWing> If you're interested in illumos, rather than dilos, I'd focus on Tribblix. Peter has been pretty active in participating in the project.
[20:27:03] <Reinhilde> igork: from a user's perspective, is dilos more like Debian or more like a more "stock" illumos distribution
[20:27:29] <Reinhilde> i'd wager it's exactly in between but I've neve rused it
[20:27:34] <igork> is dilos more like Debian userland
[20:27:45] <Reinhilde> igork: overall users perspective
[20:27:58] <Reinhilde> have the system maintenance manpages been moved from 1m to 8, or are they still in 1m
[20:28:25] <igork> it should be similar in applications configurations with debian, but use SMF for servises
[20:28:31] <despair86> kewl
[20:29:12] <igork> others tools: zones, crossbow - dladm, etc - are similar/same to illumos, but with smartos updates :)
[20:29:26] <despair86> yeah SMF is what systemd shoulda been, but the XML "unit files" are messy at times
[20:30:11] <igork> despair86: you no need to play with SMF xml in every day :) just setup it and use
[20:30:18] <despair86> heh
[20:30:28] <despair86> i use manifold(1m) to generate unit files
[20:30:41] <Reinhilde> despair86: unmaintained
[20:30:45] <igork> i use text editor :)
[20:30:49] * despair86 gasps
[20:30:55] * despair86 at reinhilde
[20:31:05] <Reinhilde> so yeah if you want something so stock it doesn't even have IPS, give tribblix a shot. i haven't tried it myself
[20:31:46] <igork> personally, i do not like IPS in development, but it is my own preference
[20:31:56] <despair86> ips is ok, makes arch pacman look pretty amateurish (i.e. comparing package managers used in rolling-release distributions)
[20:33:16] <Reinhilde> eh
[20:33:54] <despair86> see i _like_ the idea of rolling-release unix. only openbsd and illumos/openindiana seem to make it sane enough for daily use
[20:34:18] <igork> illumos - it is part of distribution
[20:40:36] <Reinhilde> words
[20:47:26] <Reinhilde> despair86: speaking of bsds, freebsd has this weird /etc/periodic emailer thing. i both hate it and like it
[20:48:37] <Reinhilde> should i just disable it
[20:48:45] <Reinhilde> or should i port it to all my other systems
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[20:52:24] <jlevon> ok, wtf suddenly I can't build ...
[20:52:37] <jlevon> ../i386/sys/gettimeofday.c:18:10: fatal error: cp_defs.h: No such file or directory
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[20:53:24] <LeftWing> That seems odd
[20:53:51] <Reinhilde> yikes
[20:55:02] <jperkin> igork: pong
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[20:55:41] <igork> jperkin: do you have boost-1.67 in pkgsrc or tried to build it?
[20:56:09] <igork> thanks for your llvm + libcxx packages - very helped
[20:56:12] <jperkin> no, we're at 1.71.0
[20:56:20] <igork> ok
[20:56:47] <jperkin> we had 1.67 in April 2018, upgraded to 1.68.0 in August 2018
[20:57:24] <igork> i see several packages - but what is main ?
[20:57:37] <igork> boost-build ?
[20:58:29] <jperkin> most of them pull in meta-pkgs/boost/Makefile.common
[20:59:13] <jperkin> that's where patches etc are pulled from
[20:59:40] <igork> did you see something like https://paste.dilos.org/?3484959847533739#S70P5iXXlicafvJkTzTvsGybt3+do4U9G7V6lJamA8w= ?
[21:00:41] <jperkin> I haven't seen that error before, we had no issues building 1.67.0 for pkgsrc-2018Q2
[21:00:55] <igork> what was gcc version?
[21:01:47] <jperkin> 4.9.4
[21:01:53] <igork> thanks for info
[21:02:13] <jperkin> we didn't upgrade to 7.3.0 until 2018Q3
[21:02:26] <jperkin> at which point boost was at 1.68.0
[21:03:01] <igork> i try to use debian version and buster has boost1.67, but it failed to me
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[21:22:35] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 11943 Fix out-of-order ZIL txtype lost on hardlinked files -- Chunwei Chen <david.chen at nutanix dot com>
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[23:01:34] <zsj> so
[23:01:53] <zsj> anyone here running illumos/freebsd/gentoo on the same pool?
[23:21:31] <zsj> any two of them even
[23:22:35] <Smithx10> lol.... people do that/!?!?$!$1
[23:24:01] <zsj> if I knew I wouldn't be asking. I'm coming from gentoo and seeing that ZoL is now canon, so I'm looking to expand
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[23:28:08] <jlevon> can I get perms on illumos/docs ? or can someone merge https://github.com/illumos/docs/pull/50 please
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[23:42:32] <Reinhilde> zsj: i want to know if you have freebsd and gentoo working on same pool already
[23:43:07] <rmustacc> jlevon: Let me look?
[23:45:25] <zsj> I don't, but the week is young
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[23:51:49] <Reinhilde> zsj: i'm told there are issues with illumos on the same pool as fbsd
[23:54:23] <zsj> rip
[23:54:26] <zsj> any specifics?
[23:54:45] <Reinhilde> no
[23:54:54] <Reinhilde> just Issues[tm]
[23:58:34] <Reinhilde> i need to format a FAT partition to put the illumos kernel on, then set up my zpool's automounts so there is no conflict between my future tribblix install & my current freebsd
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