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[03:45:50] <Reinhilde> undefined symbol be32toh.
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[11:16:02] <andyf> Reinhilde - have you included <endian.h> ?
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[11:29:16] <Reinhilde> andyf: I wouldn't expect undefined symbol to come from not including a HEADER
[11:30:23] <andyf> You never know - it could be implemented as a macro
[11:30:38] <andyf> and the man page would tell you if a library was needed - it just says #include <endian.h>
[11:46:06] <Reinhilde> andyf: should i check defined(sun) ?
[11:51:43] <jperkin> I tend to if I'm not absolutely sure a header is available everywhere (unless the software requires C99 or something so I can go by the standards)
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[13:54:24] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 11884 fmin(3m): float float -- Marcel Telka <marcel at telka dot sk>
[13:54:25] <danmcd> Pardon the latency, MarcelT_
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[15:01:32] <Reinhilde> andyf: i have included endian.h and it changed nothing
[15:01:42] <Reinhilde> [perihelion ellenor]~/src/i2pd/build-20191029-end $ grep be32toh /usr/include/endian.h
[15:01:44] <Reinhilde> extern uint32_t be32toh(uint32_t);
[15:04:02] <Reinhilde> andyf: in fact, the error I am getting is equivalent to #include sqlite.h without -lsqlite
[15:05:15] <andyf> Fair enough. The function is in libc so it should be there.
[15:05:45] <Reinhilde> andyf: however, I am compiling a c++ program
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[15:17:21] <jlevon> Reinhilde: can you whittle it down to a minimal test case
[15:17:51] <jlevon> perhaps you're accidentally including an extern declaration outside of extern "C"
[15:18:51] <Reinhilde> endian.h extern C's its entire self
[15:19:23] <Reinhilde> so I don't know what that could be doing
[15:20:45] <jbk> maybe some sort of namespace crazyness
[15:21:08] <Reinhilde> ... do I have to reimplement these functions?
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[15:21:54] <jlevon> no of course not.
[15:22:02] <jlevon> nm your .o files and see what is actually UNDEF
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[15:25:29] <Reinhilde> there's so much undef that I can't even
[15:25:46] <Reinhilde> but the only thing that's undef when linker is invoked is the bexxtoh
[15:26:27] <jlevon> grep?
[15:26:45] <Reinhilde> i piped nm on the .a through grep UNDEF
[15:27:02] <Smithx10> jlevon: packages have a "brand"
[15:27:30] <Smithx10> but it only takes 1 value, I think we should be able to choose multiple
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[16:09:23] <KungFuJesus> Man, go Gary Mills for trying to actively make the code in OI-Userland and Illumos compile cleanly for SPARC
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[16:32:29] <Reinhilde> You don't get these on any other OS. Only on illumos do such renowned apps as znc, gcc, clang and tmux crash with bus errors, in parts of the code that crash on no other operating system.
[16:33:47] <_mjg> is that SIGBUS? chances are solid you simply got something b0rked in your installation
[16:33:55] <_mjg> in particular a library is truncated
[16:34:16] <Reinhilde> _mjg: sigbus.
[16:34:18] <Reinhilde> sigbus everywhere.
[16:34:26] <_mjg> sounds like broken install
[16:34:40] <Reinhilde> omnios and i use pkgsrc. what could be the issue?
[16:34:45] <_mjg> sigbus typically happens when you mmap a file and access past its actual size
[16:35:22] <_mjg> and in particular the loader will mmap libraries
[16:35:35] <_mjg> as for how you got there and how to fix it you will have to ask actual users, so :)
[16:35:41] <Reinhilde> okay well that doesn't give me actionable advice
[16:35:45] <_mjg> from what i gather devs are pretty responsive
[16:36:30] <_mjg> i don't know illumos tooling enough to help; but i would start with something which verifies checksums of installed libraries
[16:36:40] <_mjg> pkg probably has something of the sort
[16:42:55] <jperkin> "pkg_admin check" will do that for pkgsrc
[16:43:11] <andyf> "pkg verify" for IPS
[16:43:41] <Reinhilde> i'm using both (amazingly)
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[17:01:31] <Reinhilde> andyf: 376/504
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[17:04:40] <Reinhilde> these are all verification fails that I have deliberately induced and do not believe are pathological
[17:05:01] <Reinhilde> https://umbrellix.net/~ellenor/verifail.txt
[17:09:22] <KungFuJesus> _mjg: ehhh, more likely it's unaligned access
[17:09:26] <KungFuJesus> just about every time, actually
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[17:12:51] <alanc> especially on SPARC, with stricter alignment rules than x86
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[17:14:09] <KungFuJesus> right that's more so what I meant, it's far less likely in x86 as the page boundary is not a strict ABI requirement
[17:14:15] <KungFuJesus> just a performance optimization
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[17:14:48] <KungFuJesus> on SPARC it is, and it's pretty easy to introduce with C structs if you aren't careful about how you order them or how you alias them
[17:15:32] <KungFuJesus> I guess ordering is typically fine, compiler will usually pad that, but it's the union / deref problem that bites you on that
[17:15:46] <jbk> though amusingly, unaligned accesses _do_ work sometimes on sparc (though you pay a pretty bad performance penalty -- the kernel ends up emulating the instruction)
[17:16:01] <jbk> apparently POSIX thread requirements forced the behavior
[17:16:18] <jbk> (though unaligned access to stack variables will still cause it)
[17:16:32] <jbk> but unaligned heap access generally won't -- just your perf will suck when doing it
[17:16:46] <jbk> (i was rather surprised myself when I found this out)
[17:16:54] <KungFuJesus> unless you have an instruction explicit meant for dealing with chars :)
[17:19:00] <KungFuJesus> The heap access causing problems seems like it would create a difficult situation for performing high FLOPs code, woudln't it? I mean, SPARC is load/store, so you probably eat that cost up front, but I don't recall stumbling on an explicit vectorized load instructions that coalesce a read for vector/matrix into memory
[17:19:16] <KungFuJesus> how does Fujitsu do this in their HPC focused implementation of SPARC?
[17:20:33] <KungFuJesus> does it hide this latency well in a pipeline?
[17:21:04] <jbk> i'm guessing the answer is to not misalign your data
[17:21:17] <jbk> IIRC, what happens is the unaligned access causes a trap
[17:21:45] <jbk> then there's a handler in the kernel that looks at the trap, the address, then does a per-byte copyin of the data from userland, fixes things up, then returns from the trap handler
[17:21:56] <KungFuJesus> yeah I suppose the alignment won't typically be violated when traversing heaps of floats or doubles
[17:21:58] <jbk> (instead of telling the kernel to send a SIGBUG)
[17:23:59] <KungFuJesus> It seems rare to encounter very much explicity VIS vectorized code anymore - but I think the fact that it's fixed precision may have a lot to do with that. Even for x86, you don't see a lot of long surviving MMX code
[17:24:33] <KungFuJesus> Altivec, NEON/ASIMD, and SSE/AVX are a lot easier to deal with in that regard
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[17:26:24] <KungFuJesus> alanc: Do you know why Sun/Oracle hasn't capitalized on extending VIS to support float? It seems like architecturally it's a good way to squeeze more per clock at a fairly low cost to the decoder stages
[17:27:25] <alanc> sorry, I know absolutely nothing about that
[17:27:38] <alanc> beyond that it obviously won't happen now
[17:28:59] <KungFuJesus> man, if I were to go to grad school, I wonder if that might be a fun thesis. Taking Niagara and adding floating point SIMD to the FPU
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[17:29:57] <alanc> the original niagara shared a single FPU amongst 8 threads, so it clearly wasn't a priority for them
[17:30:04] <KungFuJesus> T2 didn't, though
[17:30:08] <KungFuJesus> but yeah I see your point
[17:30:26] <alanc> right, they fixed that after the first gen
[17:30:26] <KungFuJesus> it was a "coolthreads" architecture, optimized for java'y stuff
[17:31:05] <KungFuJesus> handle the Web Application Server's request for as many clients as possible with as small a power footprint
[17:31:22] <alanc> I wonder if you can still find enough of the T2 release via OpenSPARC to experiment yourself
[17:31:46] <KungFuJesus> The HDL is probably architecture somewhere - finding the FPGAs would be tougher I bet
[17:31:51] <KungFuJesus> archived*
[17:32:43] <KungFuJesus> Of course RISC-V is all the hot new rage these days, I guess extending Niagara would seem pretty dated
[17:33:04] <jbk> heh.. way back i was asked about relicensing the sparc disassembler under the GPL as part of that..
[17:33:08] <jbk> i said sure, but never heard back..
[17:33:38] <KungFuJesus> jbk: dis?
[17:35:34] <jbk> http://src.illumos.org/source/xref/illumos-gate/usr/src/lib/libdisasm/common/ -- the *sparc* stuff
[17:35:58] <KungFuJesus> I've used that fairly recently on Solaris 11 with my T5120 :)
[17:36:28] <KungFuJesus> well recent history here is a bit of a loose term, I think it was 4 years ago
[17:36:29] <jbk> which get used by dis and mdb
[17:38:40] <jbk> originally, the code was closed source (I suspect it was probably outsourced in the sun days, and they couldn't locate who held the rights to relicense the code during the opensolaris days)
[17:38:58] <jbk> so i wrote a new open implementation
[17:39:37] <jbk> (like most code, in retrospect, i'd make a few changes, but *shrug* it's reasonably clean and works well)
[17:39:46] <jbk> and is actually after than the old code
[17:39:49] <jbk> err faster
[17:40:28] <jbk> (as part of the testing, i ran every sparc elf binary on solaris through the old and new code, and diffed the results)
[17:40:43] <jbk> and also happened to time the results
[17:41:04] <KungFuJesus> which one won most of the time?
[17:41:55] <jbk> it produced largely identical code (ISTR there were a small number of differences that were actually an improvement)
[17:42:00] <jbk> but was also faster
[17:42:37] <danmcd> IPD 11 is updated with Real Content (TM). Check your developers@ mail too if you have interest in the nfs-zone project.
[17:57:26] <Smithx10> w00t w00t
[17:58:13] <Reinhilde> t00w t00w
[17:58:18] <Reinhilde> what's up Smithx10
[17:58:42] <Smithx10> what . danmcd is doing
[17:59:38] <danmcd> Best way you can w00t is to help populate usr/src/test, or at least document anything crazy you're doing with nfs-zone development bits.
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[18:10:28] <Smithx10> lol
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[18:11:01] <Smithx10> but w00t w00t is soooooo mcuh easier :P
[18:11:14] <jbk> 'we're just two wild and crazy zones'
[18:11:29] <Reinhilde> /
[18:15:00] <danmcd> /@ngz != /@global. :) Gets more fun depending on your zone brand!
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[18:33:32] <jbk> anyone know if there's any plans for an illumos booth at scale next year? (there's been one in the past at least)
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[19:47:35] <kahiru> speaking about booths, will there be an illumos booth or devroom or something at fosdem?
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