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[00:16:21] <Reinhilde> copec: report that to the php devs
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[01:57:58] <Reinhilde> how would I know if my system crashed
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[02:10:50] <Reinhilde> copec: do you know how I could compile usr/src/cmd/cron as a 64 bit executable?
[02:11:47] <Woodstock> why do you want to do that?
[02:12:10] <Reinhilde> idk
[02:13:01] <andyf> add "include ../Makefile.cmd.64" to usr/src/cmd/cron/Makefile
[02:13:12] <andyf> straight after the existing "include ../Makefile.cmd"
[02:13:31] <Reinhilde> andyf: merci, will try
[02:13:56] <Woodstock> sounds about right, but i wouldn't be surprised if it needed more work than that :)
[02:13:56] <andyf> but changing cron to 64-bit, assuming it seems sensible, will need an awful lot of regression testing!
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[02:14:11] <andyf> Woodstock - well, it compiles at least :)
[02:14:48] <Reinhilde> andyf: what kind of regressions could possibly occur?
[02:14:51] <jbk> heh yeah, i'm guessing that code is probably slightly old
[02:16:25] <Reinhilde> and how, by any chance, would I install my modified cron, not to the proto area but to the live system?
[02:16:34] <Reinhilde> (I'm aware that it would get overwritten on a next update)
[02:16:49] <Woodstock> copy it from the proto area?
[02:17:01] <Reinhilde> k
[02:17:16] <andyf> Reinhilde - many several... misaligned 64-bit dereferences, problems because of changes in type size, trying to fit memory pointers into 32-bit variables...
[02:17:32] <jbk> did redmine get updated?
[02:17:51] <Reinhilde> andyf: how could I find this out?
[02:19:37] <Reinhilde> ... the fuh?
[02:19:39] <Reinhilde> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16 Aug 27 05:12 /etc/cron -> ../usr/sbin/cron
[02:19:43] <Reinhilde> whose idea was this?
[02:21:00] <andyf> Reinhilde - it usually drops out of testing
[02:22:42] <Reinhilde> andyf: how would i get a copy of `cron` that has debugging symbols enabled?
[02:23:00] <Woodstock> Reinhilde: that's just the 70ies calling, they want their old paths back
[02:23:13] <andyf> build it with `make SOURCEDEBUG=yes`
[02:23:32] <Woodstock> in other words, long before /sbin was invented system programs and daemons etc. all lived in, well, etc :)
[02:23:33] * jbk puts on Jim Croce
[02:23:33] <Reinhilde> will =oui work too or only =yes
[02:23:36] <jbk> :P
[02:23:59] <Reinhilde> Woodstock: why wasn't it /etc/bin
[02:24:56] <Woodstock> Reinhilde: probably because it wasn't considered necessary when there were perhaps only 20 files in /etc
[02:25:08] <Reinhilde> har har
[02:26:49] <Reinhilde> andyf: this is iatrogenic from my cron modifications i think
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[02:26:58] <Reinhilde> #0 0xfffffc7feded7aa6 in strcmp () from /lib/64/libc.so.1
[02:27:01] <Reinhilde> #1 0x0000000000409092 in next_ge (current=27, list=0x0) at cron.c:2174
[02:27:02] <Reinhilde> #2 0x0000000000408167 in tz_next_time (e=e@entry=0x9cd8c0, tflag=<optimized out>) at cron.c:1768
[02:27:04] <Reinhilde> #3 0x0000000000408e80 in next_time (e=e@entry=0x9cd8c0, tflag=tflag@entry=0) at cron.c:2085
[02:27:07] <Reinhilde> #4 0x000000000040762b in readcron (u=0x9c46b0, reftime=reftime@entry=0) at cron.c:1424
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[02:28:03] <andyf> Yep, you're calling next_ge() with a NULL second argument
[02:28:21] <Reinhilde> i don't think I deliberately call next_ge
[02:28:46] <andyf> Ok, next_ge() is being called with a NULL second argumnet
[02:28:55] <Reinhilde> I am not disputing that
[02:29:22] <andyf> which means that one of the e->of.ct.xxx things is NULL
[02:31:38] <Reinhilde> joy, of.ct.minute is inexplicably NULL
[02:32:10] <Reinhilde> I'm setting it to "0", not NULL, in the PDTIME hack
[02:37:36] <andyf> jbk yes, it's old code :) I was in there recently in case you have some review cycles... https://illumos.org/rb/r/2407/
[02:40:43] <Reinhilde> TIL running `crontab` crashes 64-bit `cron`'s
[02:41:11] <andyf> was it a 64-bit crontab?
[02:41:26] <Reinhilde> [perihelion root]~/illumos-gate/usr/src/cmd/cron # file cron crontab
[02:41:27] <Reinhilde> cron: ELF 64-bit LSB executable AMD64 Version 1, dynamically linked, not stripped
[02:41:30] <Reinhilde> crontab: ELF 64-bit LSB executable AMD64 Version 1, dynamically linked, not stripped
[02:42:06] <jbk> depends on how long you can wait :) I was out in SF all week for work, now I'm trying to get the last few features needed for the initial part of RFD77 working + get ready for the openzfs summit the following week :)
[02:42:29] <jbk> ... and I just discovered illumos#11880 :P
[02:43:34] <Reinhilde> #3 0x0000000000406be0 in mod_ctab (name=name@entry=0xfffffc7fffdee272 "root", reftime=1572050423) at cron.c:1036
[02:43:36] <Reinhilde> pw = 0xfba868
[02:43:39] <Reinhilde> and other trash..
[02:43:45] <andyf> jbk Ouch.. that is probably more important. I was just pushing my luck as reviewers have been a bit scarce with so many people in SF
[02:45:15] <andyf> Reinhilde - crontab communicates with cron via a FIFO, so there's probably a 64-bit problem around that code
[02:45:53] <Reinhilde> andyf: and how would I dx that?
[02:46:23] <Reinhilde> so the crash was at rm_ctevents(u)
[02:47:24] <Reinhilde> #1 0xfffffc7fef1c182b in free () from /lib/64/libc.so.1
[02:47:27] <Reinhilde> No symbol table info available.
[02:47:28] <Reinhilde> #2 0x0000000000409308 in rm_ctevents (u=u@entry=0xfb36b0) at cron.c:2314
[02:47:30] <Reinhilde> e2 = 0xfbc830
[02:47:32] <Reinhilde> e3 = <optimized out>
[03:00:45] <jbk> that's not a full review, but a few questions at least
[03:04:02] <andyf> Thanks, I'm sure the answer in most cases is yes
[03:04:40] <Reinhilde> This is making me shed my hair.
[03:06:48] <andyf> but it's late here so I'll pick it up tomorrow, thanks for looking.
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[03:16:16] <Reinhilde> jbk: should my next computer be a sunw?
[03:16:46] <jbk> andyf: heh I bet.. it's mid-evening here :)
[03:16:56] <jbk> at least my fix for the panic appears to have worked
[03:17:26] <Reinhilde> or some other sparc machine
[03:18:02] <jbk> do you live in a cold climate? :)
[03:18:31] <Reinhilde> jbk: no
[03:18:56] <jbk> then you may not want to.. they produce a 'bit' of heat, and use a fair amount of electricity
[03:18:57] <Reinhilde> are sparc machines hotter than comparable i86pc machines?
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[03:27:41] <Smithx10> Reinhilde: depends on what they're wearing :P
[03:27:44] <Smithx10> ./cadush!
[03:30:47] <Reinhilde> troll.
[03:35:19] <Smithx10> Sorry.
[03:35:55] <Smithx10> Im actually not sure what the difference in running temps
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[07:11:18] <athenian200> I don't know if I'm in the right channel, but I'm interested in porting an ALSA driver from Linux to an Illumos distribution, and I'm wondering if anyone has ever looked into that matter before, whether there's any existing documentation on how the audio interfaces differ, etc.
[07:12:41] <athenian200> I'm thinking if I can figure out how the audio interfaces differ, and I have open source code, I can figure out how to make the driver do basically the same thing on here as it does on there given enough trial and error.
[07:13:10] <jbk> the interface in illumos is based on OSS IIRC
[07:13:37] <Reinhilde> you're basically porting an ALSA driver to OSS
[07:13:47] <athenian200> So in general, porting an ALSA driver to Illumos should be the same as porting an ALSA driver to OSS?
[07:15:09] <Reinhilde> porting an alsa driver to illumos requires first porting it to the OSS system that it is illumos, because illumos does not use alsa
[07:15:09] <athenian200> That does seem helpful to know, there seems to be more information available for that particular search than what I was looking for before. Thanks!
[07:15:43] <athenian200> Right, so if I port it to OSS... it wouldn't take much additional work to get it working on Illumos, if any?
[07:16:07] <Reinhilde> it will take a lot of additional work, but it won't be in the part that interfaces with OSS (if the parts that interface with the audio layer and the hardware are separated)
[07:16:24] <jbk> http://src.illumos.org/source/xref/illumos-gate/usr/src/uts/common/sys/audio/audio_driver.h might be a place to start
[07:16:52] <jbk> and maybe look at some existing drivers in usr/src/uts/common/io/audio/drv
[07:17:36] <athenian200> Ah, I see. Well, this is definitely a good starting point, so I'll see what I can do.
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[07:19:50] <jbk> it looks like you'd use audio_dev_alloc() to allocate an audio_dev_t instance
[07:20:17] <jbk> and would use that as an argument to the various audio_dev_xxx() functions
[07:21:46] <jbk> what specific device are you looking at porting?
[07:24:04] <Reinhilde> jbk: he left
[07:24:10] <jbk> oh..
[07:24:20] <jbk> i hide parts and joins on freenode :)
[07:24:25] <Reinhilde> for what it's worth, i have an atheros AR9462
[07:24:41] <jbk> otherwise it ends up generating a lot of noise
[07:31:49] <jbk> wireless?
[07:37:22] <Reinhilde> yes
[07:38:51] <jbk> ahh.. the wireless support in illumos could use some attention
[07:44:47] <Reinhilde> there does not appear to be a driver for my card
[07:47:33] <Reinhilde> in the sense that the driver that is there, that should support my card, does not try to grab my card
[07:52:47] <jbk> have you looked at the pci ids the driver advertises? maybe just needs to be updated
[07:55:34] <Reinhilde> to really fully test that, I'd first need to be able to boot illumos off of a multiple-vdev zfs pool, and to be able to boot illumos off of a zfs pool which is already used by freebsd
[07:56:42] <Reinhilde> are both possible with the current state of illumos, jbk?
[07:58:14] <jbk> i thought the loader could handle the zfs part (though tsoome would know for sure).. the sharing w/ freebsd is a more interesting question
[07:59:21] <jbk> IF it is possible, it'd likely require a lot of manual work to get everything setup
[07:59:39] <Reinhilde> I did a lot of manual work to get my freebsd set up
[08:01:20] <Reinhilde> jbk: complication: i also use grub on a uefi system. will I need to chainload the illubsd (yes, that's what I'm calling it) loader?
[08:02:00] <Reinhilde> tsoome: are you presently at caffeine sufficiency?
[08:02:47] <jbk> probably.. the older grub2 loader illumos used only supported mirrored root zpools, and I don't know if newer versions have better support
[08:03:52] <Reinhilde> jbk: i use an ext2 partition to load my freebsd kernel and initial modules (zfs.ko and its dependencies) for Grub
[08:04:42] <Reinhilde> if the boot protocol is the same, will i be able to load it up more or less how i load up a freebsd kernel?
[08:05:19] <Reinhilde> I've also just realised that my boot environment is a consummate clusterfuck
[08:13:09] <Reinhilde> my computer is gonna self destruct or something
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[08:47:16] <tsoome> loader can load from multi-vdev, but our kernel can not.
[08:51:04] <tsoome> sharing the pool is different story - since both illumos and freebsd do update pool label, that is a problem - illumos depends on devid/phys_path (this also is why the multi-vdev does not work)
[08:56:17] <Reinhilde> tsoome: kernel is what's relevant here, since I have the infrastructure to put kernel on a partition grub can read
[08:56:50] <Reinhilde> but from there
[08:56:59] <Reinhilde> it's kernel's responsibility to know what she wants to do with it
[09:04:39] <tsoome> grub can not read many things. but important is kernel + boot archive and the proper hint about root file system.
[09:18:42] <Reinhilde> tsoome: with freebsd I am able to do that simply by setting kernel environment variables
[09:19:36] <tsoome> so do we.
[09:27:18] <Reinhilde> what a crazy world
[09:35:16] <tsoome> not crazy, no. just people need to understand that in opensource world, the only way to make things better is to start improving things. there is no “them” to ask for it.
[09:36:07] <Reinhilde> exactly.
[09:36:16] <Reinhilde> but that's not what I was calling crazy
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[10:36:27] <Reinhilde> me too
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[15:06:24] <Reinhilde> imagine if TCKRprogram format had evolved to CPNYABBRVprogram
[15:07:53] <Reinhilde> i'd puke if I needed to type 'pkg install GOOGchromium'
[15:10:58] <yuripv> thanks for sharing! :D
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[18:42:41] <andyf> tsoome - can I ask a quick loader/forth question?
[18:43:32] <jbk> only if asked in the form of RPN :P
[18:45:44] <andyf> uh oh...
[18:45:52] <andyf> (although I think I have just worked it out)
[18:50:08] <tsoome> sure:)
[18:52:53] <andyf> I confused myself by the difference between loadfont in immediate mode versus compiled
[18:53:25] <andyf> so my question would have been, why does - "/boot/fonts/10x18.fnt" 1 loadfont - leave things on the stack
[19:00:18] <jbk> is there any actual guide for the forth environment? i.e. the build in words, etc?
[19:00:35] <andyf> the man page has the custom ones
[19:00:57] <jbk> and the rest?
[19:01:07] <andyf> ficl forth..
[19:01:48] <andyf> or there are lots of extra words defined in the .4th files
[19:08:44] <tsoome> the builtins (words you see when you enter ?) - see the comment in common/interp_forth.c just before BUILTIN_CONSTRUCTOR
[19:13:18] <andyf> and this is what I was working on:
[19:13:24] <andyf> https://github.com/citrus-it/illumos-omnios/blob/06ed2e532617/usr/src/boot/sys/boot/forth/support.4th#L255
[19:13:30] <tsoome> the words is more difficult one - nonstandard ones are basically implementation details.
[19:15:26] <tsoome> btw, have you tried set screen-font=
[19:15:45] <andyf> no..
[19:17:21] <tsoome> we build the list of available fonts and we pick “best” from that list; you can use loadfont to load manually, or set that variable to pick one from the built in list
[19:17:43] <andyf> oh, that might be a better approach then
[19:18:19] <tsoome> just that it may help:)
[19:18:40] <andyf> definitely - I'm not sure I have that catch block right yet :)
[19:19:05] <andyf> another approach would be to make 'loadfont' take bare names, like 'loadfont 10x18'
[19:19:47] <andyf> at least that would remove the allocate/free stuff
[19:20:30] <tsoome> ye, except the loadfont is builtin and depends on the mode:)
[19:20:59] <andyf> when this latest .iso finishes, I'll experiment with screen-font, thanks
[19:24:04] <tsoome> of course, if you have string liske 10x18, then all yuou need is setenv variable value anyhow, and you do not really need loadfont command.
[19:24:28] <andyf> great!
[19:24:40] <andyf> so I learnt about allocate/free for nothing? :D
[19:25:08] <tsoome> you never know
[19:25:34] <andyf> Yeah.. I quite enjoy hacking around with forth
[19:26:55] <jbk> did you ever have an HP-48 calculator? :)
[19:27:09] <andyf> no, but I use `dc` at the CLI lots
[19:27:43] <andyf> oh - tsoome what does "chars" do?
[19:29:11] <tsoome> n * sizeof (char)
[19:29:53] <tsoome> nono
[19:30:12] <tsoome> only if (sizeof (char) > 1)
[19:52:24] <LeftWing> I should have 7119 up for review soon
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[20:46:03] <rmustacc> LeftWing: Oh, awesome. Nice work there.
[20:46:21] <rmustacc> Then we can put smrt back?
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[21:17:45] <LeftWing> I guess so!
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