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[00:01:13] <jlevon> do gerrit reviewers only show up when they've added a ssh pubkey?
[00:03:10] <jlevon> LeftWing: also, are we keeping a gerrit TODO list anywhere
[00:13:33] <LeftWing> jlevon: At the moment they have to actually log in
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[00:19:10] <jlevon> ok
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[04:44:00] <Reinhilde> what can cause weird sproingies on a two person conference call where one of the "people" is not talking at all
[04:51:41] <dsockwell> could you maybe describe that better
[04:51:52] <Reinhilde> dsockwell: wrong channel
[04:52:04] <dsockwell> oh you figured it out that's great
[04:52:19] <Reinhilde> dsockwell: i haven't figured it out, I've just realised that the problem is not relevant to #illumos
[04:53:48] <dsockwell> if people used push-to-talk and/or headphones like you're supposed to i think most conference call annoyances wouldn't happen
[04:54:33] <dsockwell> i bet that "other person" is on public transit with no headphones and the volume cranked way up
[04:55:40] <Reinhilde> dsockwell: the other person is also me, on a computer without a sound card, bouncing the audio via pulseaudio to a mumble installation
[04:58:39] <dsockwell> are you going to install a VST host to do real-time DSP on your voice?
[04:58:53] <dsockwell> that will probably help
[05:02:03] <Reinhilde> no
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[07:05:25] <danmcd> May I Just Push into the ipd/ directory? Or do I need some review? It's very VERY rough-draft, three KEBE comments, so I'm not sure how larval something can be.
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[07:18:18] <danmcd> Ehh I'll make it a PR.
[07:20:29] <danmcd> https://github.com/illumos/ipd/pull/4
[07:21:14] <danmcd> And if there are folks interested in nfs-zone early-access, I've put smartos PIs up, and I think the OmniOS branch is merged in enough with master where someone can cut a version of bloody with it.
[07:22:08] <danmcd> After this week of meetings, I plan on fleshing out the IPD and figuring out how the *&$@ to test things. I have one of the three NexentaStor NFS tests in an illumos-gate repo, but it's not compiling yet (smatch).
[07:22:24] <danmcd> s/to test/to further test/g
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[08:40:35] <yuripv> it's not "NexentaStor", it's STC :)
[08:41:50] <jbk> tomato, tomato :P
[08:42:35] <jbk> (which really doesn't work well over IRC :P)
[08:43:21] <Reinhilde> tométo, tomato
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[15:58:27] <jimklimov> [Wed Oct 23 11:52:02 2019] [info] done with backupset nvpool/export in 169743 seconds
[15:58:27] <jimklimov> [Wed Oct 23 11:52:02 2019] [debug] send/receive worker for nvpool/export done (25243)
[15:58:27] <jimklimov> real 2831m23.889s / user 2m33.296s / sys 35m38.450s
[15:58:27] <jimklimov> andyf : ^^^ is it zfs recv?.. and/or usb hdd (doing its fair 1-10MB/sec random I/O... as rarely as zfs recv decides to do some)?.. overall that's just brutal for processing the horde of near-empty snapshots
[15:59:42] <jimklimov> tomww: regarding your comment, beside the slow send/receive part, and somewhat a CPU (and cooling-on) toll when making or cleaning snapshots, I don't "sense" any real pathology having many snapshots
[16:03:01] <jimklimov> and "many" here means 2 volumes (swap, dump) and 723 filesystems in a qute branchey ROOT, SHARED, zones and homedir setup, these take 3.5-4 sec to produce a "zfs list" here with NVM (IIRC was longer on the mix of HDD and SSD previously... closer to a minute or two? or that's just for all-dataset listing including snapshots)
[16:03:11] <jimklimov> still waiting for my list of snaps though :)
[16:04:38] <jimklimov> which is in RAM cached blocks by now (no iostat activity) and took by now 4 minutes of one CPU core in kernel time, others idling, to make that list
[16:05:06] <jimklimov> done
[16:05:15] <jimklimov> 5m12s to list the 133755 snaps
[16:05:21] <jimklimov> from RAM
[16:07:01] <KungFuJesus> Oracle, not long after they closed the gates, did some improvements for zfs list times. Not that that's helpful or anything
[16:07:02] <jimklimov> the znapzend loop took about 8 minutes for each "zfs send -I" covering the majority of those datasets abov
[16:07:42] <dsockwell> are those snapshots already pruned? can you make any excuse to delete some of them?
[16:07:45] <jimklimov> I believe illumos did too, processing certain attributes (name?) in a separate cache
[16:07:53] <jimklimov> checking for kicks :)
[16:09:26] <jimklimov> I can, but beside the few that I or my scripts make for specific reasons, like OS updates, the majority is due to regularly scheduled recursive snapping (zfs-auto-snap before, playing with znapzend now)
[16:10:10] <jimklimov> so for a few recent days I have a snap say every 30 mins, then every few hours for the past couple of weeks, then dailies etc
[16:10:33] <jimklimov> it is not like I have them for every 30 mins for the lifetime :)
[16:11:35] <jimklimov> there's about 190-230 snaps per dataset as of current random-pick census
[16:12:20] <jimklimov> so tuning the frequency and retention is surely one vector for reducing the load, but certainly not an excuse for something here being bottlenecked (in kernel, I assume)
[16:13:19] <jimklimov> for filesystem ops, including shared NFS home for my other VMs, this is quite fast and responsive
[16:13:30] <jimklimov> the zpooling part is what hurts
[16:14:17] <jimklimov> so a listing of snapshots with names only completed in 4m5s
[16:14:52] <jimklimov> spent about the same in user (30s) and sys (3m46s / 3m50s) times
[16:17:34] <dsockwell> ya 700 datasets makes a lot of snapshots
[16:17:43] <dsockwell> even if you're not especially nutty about it
[16:18:09] <jimklimov> well, here I am rather prolific on the laptop (every "git zclone" is a dataset, etc.)
[16:18:31] <dsockwell> this is on a laptop? i have a private cloud that doesn't have 700 datasets
[16:19:05] <jimklimov> but we have had comparable counts on a Thumper serving a couple hundred individual homes, as well as backups in separate datasets for other machines and zones
[16:20:27] <dsockwell> well the obvious thing to do is to manage the number of snapshots but 130k doesn't really sound like that many and you're not the first to complain about slow snapshot processing
[16:21:38] <dsockwell> they obviously resolve fast enough in more common operations like you said
[16:21:57] <dsockwell> i got nothing other than agreeing with you slowly however
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[16:31:16] <jimklimov> FWIW, for a bit of shameless plugging (because it really is convenient and saved a lot against stupid mistakes mostly while learning Git... and sometimes afterwards) - the "git zclone" lives at https://github.com/jimklimov/git-scripts/blob/master/git-zclone
[16:32:01] <toasterson> jimklimov (IRC): i was about to ask where it was :)
[16:32:43] <jimklimov> I heard there were some imposters unspeakably using the same predictable name for very different code in the same niche, go figure ;)
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[18:49:37] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 11844 add rdmsr utility -- John Levon <john.levon at joyent dot com>
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[19:44:35] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 11849 listen of IPv6 address fails with EAFNOSUPPORT -- John Levon <john.levon at joyent dot com>
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[20:09:26] <despair86> am back
[20:10:25] <despair86> using vmware in a pinch because desktop is on the fritz. are its vm tools compatible with illumos
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[20:39:13] <LeftWing> despair86: I seem to recall there is an opne source set of VMware tools
[20:39:29] <andyf> Yes - we package them up for OmniOS and they work fine
[20:39:46] <LeftWing> pkg:/system/virtualization/open-vm-tools-desktop maybe on OI?
[20:39:48] <igork> open-vm-tools works on dilos
[20:40:02] <LeftWing> Or, yeah, pkg:/system/virtualization/open-vm-tools is in there too
[20:40:05] <LeftWing> (I did "pkg search vmware")
[20:40:34] <igork> but without desktop support. probably need to port additional package
[20:40:55] <despair86> ah ok
[20:41:03] <despair86> yeah just installed from the CD, looks ok
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[21:03:25] <copec> (re: copec amateur OS study) I finished quick reading the minix3 book. It is pleasantly structured for those OCD wanna-be academic types.
[21:04:47] <andyf> I don't suppose I can interest any advocate in https://illumos.topicbox.com/groups/advocates/Tceb48a145ce4a6e2/rti-9531-want-netstat-u-to-show-pids-associated-with-sockets ?
[21:05:07] <copec> I want to look into using it on some embedded stuff for my own IoT
[21:07:10] <rmustacc> andyf: If no one eles does, I guess I can follow up. Just didn't want to be the sole reviewer and approver.
[21:07:55] <andyf> You aren't the sole reviewer, but yes, it would definitely be better to have an independent approver if possible.
[21:10:17] <rmustacc> Ah, missed that. I didn't recall anyone else having seen the final version a little while back.
[21:10:40] <andyf> Dominik (hadfl) reviewed the final version on Github
[21:11:24] <rmustacc> Ah, gotcha.
[21:21:12] <Smithx10> Does anyone from Illumos work with the Intel Security team?
[21:21:53] <Smithx10> I remember that the last issues Illumos and OpenBSD were left out and was curious if that arrangement changed
[21:22:25] <jlevon> yes, it changed
[21:22:33] <jlevon> a long time ago
[21:28:23] <alanc> if by "last issues" you mean Spectre & Meltdown, there have been many since then
[21:29:29] <Smithx10> yea, Curious if they are involved in the latest ones
[21:39:20] <rmustacc> Smithx10: Yes.
[21:39:29] <rmustacc> I and others from Joyent have worked with them.
[21:39:50] <rmustacc> That's why we were much more on top of things L1TF, MDS, etc.
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[23:39:24] <Smithx10> rmustacc: thats great!
[23:54:03] <andyf> Why is Gerrit so quick to flag a merge conflict on a change?
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