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[00:10:54] <tsoome> badly written C.
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[00:21:00] <LeftWing> TIL we have a command called "listusers"
[00:21:37] <LeftWing> "the C code had implemented the set operations it via linked lists" -- well there's a problem.
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[00:27:03] <tsoome> the better question would be, if you take well written python code, how much effort it would be to write better one in C:)
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[00:34:20] <LeftWing> I think it depends on what libraries you decide to allow as part of your base C expectations, really
[00:34:29] <LeftWing> Obviously libc is not a great place to start
[00:34:52] <LeftWing> But if you throw in libavl and something like libcustr
[00:35:05] <LeftWing> It's pretty easy to have efficient sorts and lookups, and easier string construction
[00:51:55] <Reinhilde> SQUACK++
[01:07:56] <Smithx10> LeftWing: When I saw that on twitter... I just facepalmed
[01:08:11] <Smithx10> Yea... That's what fixed listusers.... python rofl
[01:08:55] <LeftWing> It's almost always the rewrite, not the language, when new versions of things in new languages improve the situation that drastically
[01:09:44] <Reinhilde> listusers... is that in /usr/bin or /usr/sbin?
[01:09:54] <LeftWing> The argument that it's "easier" to maintain the Python version is probably not a bad one, I suppose -- but you're externalising the cost of _maintaining Python_ there, too
[01:10:03] <LeftWing> Reinhilde: /usr/bin apparently!
[01:10:05] <Reinhilde> yes.
[01:10:20] <Smithx10> More languages please!!!!!
[01:10:50] <Smithx10> I bet we could make listusers really fast if we distributed it across all the nodes in our cluster!!!!!
[01:10:54] <Reinhilde> no
[01:10:59] <Smithx10> BRING IN THE BEAM MACHINE!
[01:12:26] <Reinhilde> where would I grab the source code for listusers?
[01:12:29] <Reinhilde> it'd be in the gate, right?
[01:12:45] <jbk> yeah, though it's in the intuitive location of usr/src/cmd/users
[01:13:43] <Reinhilde> that makes less than no sense.
[01:14:59] <jbk> yeah, it's not exactly obvious, but the reasoning is probably lost to time
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[01:30:38] <Reinhilde> jbk: is it practical to stand up a bhyve zone containing linux on a machine that only has 1011mib of ram
[01:31:50] <jbk> probably not
[01:31:56] <Reinhilde> the zone will have allocated to it just 192 mib of ram
[01:38:40] <LeftWing> I don't think it's been substantially altered since the late 80s
[01:38:59] <LeftWing> (listusers)
[01:40:29] <LeftWing> Oh my, I've just looked in "usr/src/cmd/users/users.c"
[01:40:31] <LeftWing> This was a mistake
[01:41:22] <jbk> cue up some eye bleach? :)
[01:41:36] <LeftWing> * Externals referenced (and not defined by a header file):
[01:41:38] <LeftWing> * malloc Allocate memory from main memory
[01:41:40] <LeftWing> This is always a bad start
[01:50:35] <Reinhilde> LeftWing: ????
[01:50:55] <LeftWing> malloc() has been in "stdlib.h" for a very long time
[01:50:56] <Reinhilde> apparently OMNI is a stock ticker now :-)
[01:51:00] <Reinhilde> y> create -t bhyve
[01:51:03] <Reinhilde> OMNIbhyve: No such zone configured
[01:51:12] <Reinhilde> i kid, it's just the format that made me chuckle
[01:53:55] <Reinhilde> i'm obviously doing everything wrong
[01:56:57] <Reinhilde> what the hale...
[01:58:02] <Reinhilde> https://umbrellix.net/~ellenor/satanspawn.txt can someone explain what I'm doing wrong?
[01:58:32] <Reinhilde> ... oh wait, my system is out of date isn't it
[02:24:11] <Reinhilde> hey, is it valid to set bootfs directly through /usr/sbin/zfs (sp?)?
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[02:42:47] <Reinhilde> apparently my machine is a brick
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[03:17:11] <Reinhilde> LeftWing: my system panics with "can't mount root" on 151033 but boots fine on 151031. i suspect that it's an issue with vdevs (since the name of my hard disk device changed between install and upgrade
[03:17:13] <Reinhilde> )
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[03:38:53] <Reinhilde> joy of joys
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[03:39:08] <Reinhilde> I have a zfs pool that boots on omni 151031 but not 151033, and I think I have isolated why
[03:39:48] <Reinhilde> zfs thinks that the pool is on a device that no longer exists
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[03:42:13] <Reinhilde> this seems to behave acceptably on the old system but not on the new system
[03:45:44] <LeftWing> Reinhilde: That's unfortunate! What device/driver is your root pool on?
[03:46:01] <LeftWing> (Is this a VM guest or a physical machine?)
[03:48:19] <Reinhilde> VM guest. I believe the host is a Linux machine, but I'm not completely sure.
[03:49:12] <Reinhilde> LeftWing: what addresses should I nuke to have the system forget the devices in the zfs pool?
[03:49:18] <Reinhilde> (and have to re-discovery them)
[03:49:26] <Reinhilde> or is that the wrong thing to be doing
[03:49:33] <LeftWing> That's probably not going to help
[03:49:42] <Reinhilde> yeah, thought not
[03:49:58] <LeftWing> If it's failing to mount a ZFS root pool
[03:50:03] <Reinhilde> yes
[03:50:10] <Reinhilde> LeftWing: so yes, the information i have is in https://umbrellix.net/~ellenor/satanspawn.txt . i got the information on the disk i am using from the output of `format`
[03:50:11] <LeftWing> It's probably because we've encoded a /devices path that is, as you note, now different for some reason
[03:50:26] <LeftWing> Oooh
[03:50:30] <Reinhilde> you have encoded a /devices path that is not the correct one
[03:50:33] <LeftWing> So it used to be IDE emulation
[03:50:37] <LeftWing> And now it's Virtio Block?
[03:50:39] <Reinhilde> yes
[03:50:45] <Reinhilde> this works fine on 151031 but not on 151033
[03:51:24] <LeftWing> That's odd. Have you made any changes to the host configuration?
[03:51:59] <Reinhilde> I do not have access to the host.
[03:52:15] <LeftWing> Right, but like, does the provider who gives you the VM allow you to select how the disks will be attached?
[03:52:18] <LeftWing> (IDE or Virtio?)
[03:52:19] <Reinhilde> No.
[03:52:25] <Reinhilde> They would have changed it automatically.
[03:52:53] <LeftWing> I guess my problem is I don't understand why it would be IDE when you boot 151031 but Virtio when you boot 151033
[03:53:52] <LeftWing> e.g., if this was a SmartOS host I think you'd have to change the "disk_driver" property for the disk or for the whole guest to make that change
[03:54:37] <LeftWing> I'm working on https://www.illumos.org/issues/7119 at any rate, which will probably help with this sort of situation
[03:54:56] <Reinhilde> So, is my system delusional?
[03:57:01] <LeftWing> Well it's just that I don't understand what's going on
[03:57:09] <Reinhilde> LeftWing: neither do I.
[03:57:14] <LeftWing> Do you have console access to the guest?
[03:57:21] <Reinhilde> To the guest, yes. To the host, no.
[03:57:26] <LeftWing> Sure, the guest is what I meant
[03:58:02] <Reinhilde> When I reboot and select 151033 with 'load kmdb', that's the only way i can get the kernel panic to show up long enough for me to readit
[03:58:08] <LeftWing> Right
[03:58:22] <LeftWing> Can you get to the loader, though, and drop out to the command line and run "lsdev -v"
[03:58:28] <Reinhilde> sure i g
[04:00:42] <Reinhilde> disk devices are disk0 (bios drive C, 52428800 x 512) - p1 is EFI, p2 is illumos ZFS. zfs devices are pool: tank, bootfs: tank/ROOT/omnios-r151033, config: columns are NAME,STATE, tank,ONLINE c1t0d0s1,ONLINE
[04:00:50] <Reinhilde> i hope the way i've interpreted and retyped that is intelligible
[04:03:49] <LeftWing> hmm
[04:04:16] <LeftWing> OK so maybe "boot -kd" and then "::bp vfs_mountroot" and then ":c"
[04:04:23] <LeftWing> And then it breaks at vfs_mountroot
[04:04:29] <LeftWing> Let's see what devices we can see in ::prtconf ?
[04:05:28] <Reinhilde> i need to pull out a screenshooter
[04:08:32] <Reinhilde> and it crashed with my image
[04:11:44] <LeftWing> Reinhilde: What are you using on your desktop?
[04:11:56] <Reinhilde> berkeley's excrement
[04:12:07] <LeftWing> I... Do you mean FreeBSD?
[04:12:11] <Reinhilde> (I joke; I actually quite like FreeBSD)
[04:12:18] <LeftWing> Haha alright then
[04:12:29] <LeftWing> I take a lot of my screenshots with "scrot" for what it's worth
[04:12:35] <Reinhilde> yes i just dl'd that
[04:13:12] <Reinhilde> LeftWing: do you only need the first page or the entire thing?
[04:13:42] <LeftWing> Can you see "acpivertnex" on the first page?
[04:13:55] <Reinhilde> it's right at the bottom
[04:14:01] <LeftWing> First page might be OK then!
[04:14:13] <Reinhilde> https://umbrellix.net/~ellenor/first-sequence.png
[04:14:27] <Reinhilde> (why did i name that after a horror film i have not even watched and do not want to watch)
[04:15:18] <LeftWing> Ahh, vultr!
[04:15:29] <Reinhilde> LeftWing: tell me when you've opened that because i do need to delete it afterwards due to a possible info leak
[04:15:34] <LeftWing> I have opened it
[04:15:45] <Reinhilde> done
[04:15:51] <LeftWing> In the future I think you might want "scrot -s" so that you can select just the interesting region of the screen, btw
[04:15:56] <Reinhilde> LeftWing: do you have enough info to go on?
[04:16:39] <LeftWing> I actually have a vultr account of my own
[04:17:10] <Reinhilde> have you experienced this problem?
[04:17:13] <LeftWing> I have not!
[04:17:17] <Reinhilde> ok
[04:17:20] <LeftWing> But I haven't used it a whole lot, beyond installing OmniOS
[04:17:34] <Reinhilde> i installed, then upgraded, omnios bloody. this is the fallout from the upgrade exploding.
[04:17:48] <Reinhilde> but do you have enough info to go on from that screenshot?
[04:18:00] <LeftWing> I'll compare it with what I see in my guest
[04:18:23] <Reinhilde> should I boot to '031 and execute the same sequence?
[04:18:41] <LeftWing> It might be interesting to compare, yes
[04:18:53] <LeftWing> Apparently I have r151030 in this guest
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[04:22:22] <Reinhilde> Error with command 'for i in dropped prtconf-1; do echo Relevant picture: https://umbrellix.net/~ellenor/$i.png ; done'
[04:22:24] <Reinhilde> FUCK
[04:22:35] <Reinhilde> Relevant picture: https://umbrellix.net/~ellenor/dropped.png
[04:22:37] <Reinhilde> Relevant picture: https://umbrellix.net/~ellenor/prtconf-1.png
[04:23:05] <Reinhilde> (weechat is hard! also i'm ircing from a freebsd machine, which is and will remain my primary production machine)
[04:23:47] <LeftWing> They look the same, in ::prtconf at least
[04:24:24] <Reinhilde> So why would '031 work and '033 conk out?
[04:24:28] <Reinhilde> Should I :c to see if it'll boot up?
[04:24:41] <LeftWing> Sure, you can try! I'm not sure yet
[04:24:43] <Reinhilde> by the way it boots up fine
[04:24:46] <Reinhilde> on '031
[04:25:00] <Reinhilde> is there somewhere where kernel verbose will be stored?
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[04:25:23] <Reinhilde> (since I have the kernel in verbose mode)
[04:26:01] <LeftWing> Not really
[04:26:15] <Reinhilde> dang
[04:26:30] <LeftWing> I suppose I can try and upgrade!
[04:26:38] <Reinhilde> if you want to!
[04:27:02] <Reinhilde> you'll probably break your system
[04:27:09] <LeftWing> In the environment that boots up properly, can you "zdb rpool | grep phys_path"
[04:27:22] <LeftWing> In this guest, I see: phys_path: '/pci@0,0/pci1af4,2@4/blkdev@0,0:b'
[04:27:53] <dsockwell> is this in a VM? more likely to capture it through a serial port
[04:28:02] <dsockwell> otherwise, well, i hope you have a hard serial poirt
[04:28:03] <Reinhilde> dsockwell: i have no access to serial
[04:28:23] <LeftWing> I don't think vultr provides access to the serial ports, unfortunately, just the VNC console
[04:28:54] <dsockwell> oh i didnt put that together
[04:29:17] <Reinhilde> what the HALE?
[04:29:27] <Reinhilde> i just captured some very telling output from zdb
[04:29:46] <Reinhilde> https://umbrellix.net/~ellenor/the-hale.txt
[04:30:11] <Reinhilde> LeftWing: is my system wedged?
[04:30:30] <LeftWing> run "zpool status" as root
[04:30:51] <Reinhilde> LeftWing: output appended to the same file
[04:30:51] <LeftWing> That means your /dev/dsk symlinks need updating I think
[04:31:04] <LeftWing> Perhaps try "devfsadm -Cv"
[04:31:09] <LeftWing> Then "zpool status"
[04:31:10] <LeftWing> then zdb again
[04:31:47] <Reinhilde> i think my system is dazed and confused
[04:32:22] <Reinhilde> LeftWing: output again appended to the same file
[04:45:51] <Reinhilde> I think it's wrenched.
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[05:26:32] <LeftWing> Reinhilde: Wait, is your root pool called "tank", not "rpool"?
[05:26:42] <Reinhilde> yes leftwing
[05:26:51] <LeftWing> Huh! I didn't even know that was possible with the installer
[05:29:05] <LeftWing> Reinhilde: readlink /dev/dsk/c1t0d0s1 ?
[05:33:57] <Reinhilde> i'm taking a break leftwing
[05:34:03] <LeftWing> OK!
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[05:44:35] <jbk> heh i should take a break too..
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[09:12:42] <Reinhilde> I wonder what would happen if Oracle suddenly decided to demerge at least the software component of Sun. I know they won't, but I wonder what's happening in the alternate universe where that happened yesterday.
[09:12:54] <Reinhilde> i would estimate that both companies are probably failing
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[09:36:46] <tsoome> Reinhilde: Oracle is only selling cloud now, at best you can learn they offer oracle linux, and if you are really stubborn, you can find out about solaris as well. Go and navigate the downloads at oracle.com
[09:39:19] <tsoome> Also for example https://www.oracle.com/servers/x86/x8-2/ - does it mention solaris? you can find the hint from datasheet pdf, but thats about it.
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[09:47:58] <Reinhilde> tsoome: why did the acquisition even happen? did sun get into financial manure?
[09:48:24] <jellydonut> i highly doubt oracle is failing financially
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[09:48:31] <tsoome> business focus does shift in time:)
[09:48:48] <jellydonut> only morally, but considering it basically grew out of the CIA that part has been missing from day 1
[09:50:17] <tsoome> if you have seen any of their recent sales talks, it is all about selling cloud. move your data to cloud and we know better how to handle it.
[09:50:25] <Reinhilde> jellydonut: not in this universe, they are not
[09:50:43] <Reinhilde> in the alternate universe where they spun off sun, i estimate they are
[09:50:51] <jellydonut> but last i heard their cloud business wasn't doing great
[09:51:41] <tsoome> can not tell, never checked the numbers:D
[09:52:08] <jellydonut> their cloud guy got fired because he was unable to grow the business vs the big cloud players
[09:52:29] <LeftWing> I feel any time spent on this subject is time you could all be spending debuging iPXE iSCSI boot :P
[09:52:49] <tsoome> :D
[09:53:15] <LeftWing> tsoome: It looks like I could build the iPXE ISO with a bunch of debugging turned on and have it pop out the serial port
[09:53:23] <tsoome> I need to hunt down other issue first:)
[09:54:16] <LeftWing> That's probably a better use of time yes :P
[09:54:42] <tsoome> na I do not mind iscsi at all, just have to keep priorities...
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[09:56:34] <Reinhilde> would you say that our timeline's oracle is treading water, but by a comfortable margin?
[09:57:34] <tsoome> well, they are business like any other - to make money. not to keep specific technologies alive...
[09:57:39] <Reinhilde> aye
[09:58:55] <tsoome> we may not like that (I certainly do not), but there are things I can do, and things I can not, and I can not change the way the oracle is working:)
[10:00:08] <Reinhilde> i can't either. morbid curiosity does weird shit
[10:01:29] <Reinhilde> i wonder if anyone's actually run the numbers on how many dollars oracle would lose by official-leaking the source to sol2.11.
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[10:02:45] <Reinhilde> >In a 1981 computer languages spoof in The Michigan Technic titled "BASICally speaking...FORTRAN bytes!!", the author described FORTRAN as "proof positive that the cofounders of IBM were Italian, for it consists entirely of spaghetti code".[12]
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[22:41:37] <Reinhilde> LeftWing: [perihelion ellenor]~ $ pfexec readlink /dev/dsk/c1t0d0s1
[22:41:38] <Reinhilde> ../../devices/pci@0,0/pci-ide@1,1/ide@1/sd@0,0:b
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