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[07:49:51] <clapont> hi, everyone!
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[16:06:53] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 11819 svcs -L should check for alt_logfile -- John Levon <john.levon at joyent dot com>
[16:09:34] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 11689 ::refstr would be useful -- John Levon <john.levon at joyent dot com>
[16:13:11] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 11690 ::ps -s could show service FMRIs -- John Levon <john.levon at joyent dot com>
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[19:54:13] <KungFuJesus> https://www.illumos.org/issues/11815 <-- unbelievable
[19:54:22] <KungFuJesus> Microsoft quality control for you :-/
[20:25:44] <CaptainTobin> Microsoft seems quite conflicted in who and what they are now.. on one hand they want to be the company that sells services but doesn't want to actually develop things anymore just pick stuff up off the open source shelf and monitize it.. on the other they want to control everything from the hardware up..
[20:25:55] <CaptainTobin> it isn't working for them
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[20:26:46] <CaptainTobin> only Apple has achieved this with any success
[20:44:51] <LeftWing> I don't think it's fair to say MSFT are not developing anything anymore.
[20:45:03] <LeftWing> They have a *lot* of software engineers working on a lot of successful products.
[20:52:48] <toasterson> KungFuJesus (IRC): oh our smb server is not scaling enough for 10 gazillion users. let's make the clients idle more.
[20:53:04] <CaptainTobin> LeftWing: I said they didn't really want to develop anymore.. very different thing ;)
[20:53:46] <CaptainTobin> but I don't wanna get too off-topic
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[21:02:04] <KungFuJesus> lol, sounds about right
[21:03:11] <KungFuJesus> My immediate assumption that the ioctl was taking too long was a bad one on my part, I wish I hadn't jumped to that conclusion
[21:03:31] <KungFuJesus> it had some outliers and some of those probably took longer than they should, but it's not _the_ issue I'm seeing
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[21:18:34] <andyf> TIL how pwait works, thanks Dan :)
[21:18:50] <andyf> (and that there's a buffer overrun in the smartos/omnios version)
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[21:35:16] <bdha> yay?
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[21:37:04] <LeftWing> andyf: It uses libproc to grab the process, right?
[21:37:19] <andyf> no, it polls /proc/<pid>/psinfo
[21:37:24] <LeftWing> Huh
[21:37:43] <andyf> got to run, bbl
[21:37:58] <LeftWing> Maybe I'm thinking of ptime
[21:38:11] <jbk> it probably should -- i'm guessing it might predate the libproc bits
[21:38:31] <LeftWing> Well I was going to say anything that grabs the process doesn't then work well with other diagnostic tools like dtrace or mdb
[21:38:44] <LeftWing> Pretty sure you can only have one tracer
[21:42:48] <danmcd> pwait only opens the entry for /proc/pid/... and then polls for it to disappear.
[21:42:52] <danmcd> (Right?)
[21:42:54] <jbk> hrm.. actually there really isn't an interface in libproc to just return an fd to psinfo
[21:43:14] <jbk> yeah
[21:43:21] <danmcd> And that overflow may be ALL distros. I don't see anything smartos-specific about the strn*() functions.
[21:44:17] <jbk> i'm actually doing the same thing (wait for POLLPRI event) with kbmd to cleanup any client that starts a recovery but dies for some reason
[21:44:50] <jbk> though I do 'char path[PATH_MAX]; .. snprintf(path, sizeof (path), "/proc/%d/psinfo", pid)
[21:51:57] <jlevon> is the overflow case for when we're pre-pending the zone path?
[21:54:54] <LeftWing> One day we'll learn to just use asprintf()!
[21:56:40] <jlevon> or build and use a proper string lib
[22:00:13] <jbk> custr is at least part of the way there (just missing some bits that wouldn't be hard to add)
[22:00:41] <jlevon> it'd be a good start yes
[22:01:11] <jbk> i'm trying to use it more where it makes sense for stuff internal to illumos
[22:02:49] <LeftWing> Having used custr for a while now I think it'd be neat to move to a pattern that doesn't require checking the error return of each function
[22:03:07] <LeftWing> Like... custr_append(cu, "blah") would be void
[22:03:22] <LeftWing> And then you'd have custr_error(cu) which would return the last error
[22:03:40] <LeftWing> And once an error had been tripped, subsequent operations would become nops
[22:03:51] <LeftWing> So you could do a series of appends, say, and check just once at the end
[22:04:13] <jlevon> I'd prefer both
[22:04:27] <jlevon> if you're only doing one it's a bit annoying to have to ask for the error after
[22:04:59] <LeftWing> We could have a version of the symbol that returns the error too -- basically I'd like to not have to (void) everything, or disable the checks for (void)
[22:05:48] <jlevon> probably fine
[22:06:35] <jlevon> most tedious to write are things like split() etc. would be very handy.
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[22:07:04] <jbk> if someone _really_ had the time (i.e. not something i'd exactly put at the top of the list of things to do), the C++ folks love to talk about how awesome their 'small string' optimization for std::string is.. might be interesting to see how much such a thing actually buys you
[22:08:56] <jlevon> I'd like a custr_alloc variant that takes a starting string too. rather than two calls
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[22:14:46] <toasterson> hmm does somebody know what checksum of cached data doesn't match BP err=50 hdr=ffffff06f5921ef8 bp=ffffff0818ad4380 abd=ffffff06f5923280 buf=ffffff06fc92b000 could mean from a crash?
[22:15:03] <toasterson> SSD problem?
[22:16:35] <igork> toasterson: do you have full stack?
[22:16:48] <jbk> toasterson: do you have ECC memory?
[22:16:50] <igork> what platform?
[22:17:07] <toasterson> intel old i7 would need to check
[22:17:14] <toasterson> no no ECC memory
[22:17:50] * toasterson sent a long message: < https://matrix.wegmueller.it/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.wegmueller.it/HBiytDPfYBEDNWgcATyhUJOZ >
[22:18:32] <jbk> is it happening consistently?
[22:18:59] <toasterson> twice now
[22:19:13] <igork> on zpool import?
[22:19:23] <toasterson> no while running
[22:19:41] <toasterson> started yesterday and happened twice
[22:19:46] <igork> what is base platform?
[22:19:47] <jbk> are the values for 'buf' similar?
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[22:20:14] <toasterson> probably going down in a few hours again if it keeps up like this.
[22:20:24] <jbk> it's probably worth running memtest on the box.. if the values of buf are within a few K of each toher, probably even more so
[22:20:40] <toasterson> @jkb how can i check those?
[22:20:55] <toasterson> yeah i was afraid of memory problems
[22:21:02] <toasterson> they are old.....
[22:21:56] <toasterson> dont even remember which DDR generation those are
[22:22:15] <jbk> if you have the crashes in /var/crash (or /var/crash/volatile on smartos), you can run savecore -f ... on them, then 'echo ::status | mdb unix.X vmcore.X' on them
[22:22:57] <jbk> there's probably a slightly more succinct way to get just panic message, but it should work
[22:23:24] <jbk> someone just a few days ago had a similar issue and it was a bad DIMM
[22:23:47] <jbk> not to say that is definitely the case here, but probably worth checking out
[22:23:55] <toasterson> ah ok now i get what you mean. unfortunately i was too slow to get the first dump to disk. was at work
[22:24:06] <toasterson> but will check that
[22:26:20] <jbk> might also worth seeing if fmdump shows anything -- it'll probably note the panics, but if there are other events that can be useful as well
[22:27:51] <jbk> unfortunately, what fault events are captured does vary (ISTR it's not just the particular CPU, but also down what the BIOS and MB manuf lets the OS see)
[22:28:31] <jbk> so any empty fault log doesn't necessarily mean 'everything's ok', but if there are events present, probably worth looking at
[22:28:40] <toasterson> hmm no unfortuantely just the panics. they are pure consumer hardware so I do not expect much BIOS or other informations.
[22:51:23] <andyf> jlevon - the overflow is not practically going to happen, but it's because one of the strncat() calls doesn't account for the possible /native/ at the start for an lx zone
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[23:07:03] <jlevon> andyf: ok
[23:30:45] <MelMalik> how would someone create a role acc? I'm not familiar with how these work
[23:32:20] <jbk> roleadd
[23:35:54] <MelMalik> obviously illumos' ancestor was aimed at corporate uses. you've to RTFM everything, but hey, at least it's well documented!
[23:40:02] <MelMalik> jbk: this is a bit of a side question... in theory, shouldn't the namespace of system RBAC on illumos be renamed from 'solaris' to 'illumos'?
[23:41:33] <jbk> you mean the authorizations?
[23:45:42] <LeftWing> MelMalik: We can rename things provided [1] someone wants to do the work, which includes testing, and [2] there is some way to do it without breaking everybody
[23:45:53] <LeftWing> I'm not sure if [1], or [2], or both, apply here
[23:45:59] <MelMalik> LeftWing: it was a hypothetical
[23:46:05] <MelMalik> jbk: yes.
[23:46:10] <MelMalik> I am bad at wordsing.
[23:46:26] <LeftWing> MelMalik: I understood it as a hypothetical, I'm just trying to outline why it hasn't happened yet
[23:46:36] <MelMalik> you should see dutch people who speak English. They're better at it than me
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