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[08:22:14] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 11753 loader: i386_loadaddr() should check for FB address -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
[08:27:10] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 11740 loader: warning: unused parameter -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
[08:29:28] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 11759 sys/sha1.h should provide SHA1_BLOCK_LENGTH -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
[08:38:47] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 11760 loader: add explicit_bzero() to libstand -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
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[08:44:39] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 11761 loader: add libcrypto.h, sha1 does not need to return anything -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
[08:50:21] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 11775 loader: reset FONT_MANUAL flag on resolution change -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
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[11:26:37] <andyf> Strange thing.. I just upgraded a server (jumped from r151030 to a recent build)
[11:26:54] <andyf> and it booted and said something like "Fast reboot not supported, rebooting"
[11:27:09] <andyf> then loader said something about a syntax error in transient.conf
[11:27:16] <andyf> https://paste.ec/paste/NzTp4-oh#XAZWhtrcrhs12cZLjJSApuQJYB2z8BRjn+39x9JVuEg
[11:28:16] <andyf> Any ideas what might be going on? It's fine on the second reboot
[11:41:21] <andyf> So two problems.. it seems that uadmin is writing an entry to transient.conf that loader cannot handle (due to the quotes)
[11:41:37] <andyf> and I'd like to understand what decided that a second reboot was required
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[12:35:14] <andy_js> Is there any reason not to enable name-service-cache by default?
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[12:46:15] <andyf> andy_js, not that I can think..
[12:46:32] <andyf> Here's a screenshot of the reboot that is happening on the first boot after the upgrade:
[12:46:33] <andyf> https://paste.ec/paste/R042kuIN#E9QblCTgezKbQCBiRuxHQmttDM98ITnP5gyhu6Nf-E5
[12:51:17] <tsoome> moin
[12:54:18] <andy_js> moin moin
[12:56:04] <andy_js> Does everybody get this when they build illumos? https://paste.ec/paste/m8aEvDfq#tStEOKX9nQj5vbhQbSlVkYcjn7Qfll6Aqktd+Xoio7K
[12:58:12] <tsoome> have not seen
[13:02:13] <andyf> andy_js, nope
[13:03:00] <andyf> it looks like hardlink reversal, as in `pkg` has decided that the "other" file is the hardlink target
[13:04:04] <andyf> which it is wont to do, unless told which are the hardlinks
[13:04:18] <andyf> but I've never seen a problem with an illumos build around that
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[13:29:25] <ptribble> andy_js: in the proto area, are the files actually hardlinked to each other?
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[13:43:32] <andy_js> It’s definitely the same file but I have doubts that it’s a hardlink.
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[13:45:30] <andy_js> OK it’s not the same file. No, it’s not a hardlink.
[13:45:59] <andy_js> https://paste.ec/paste/WBCLNC2w#sPay1XvE0xaco0gygoVotQTTwB8Ot3TGvKu+Vy0Zcy+
[13:46:04] <andyf> kernel/drv/amd64/sdpib and kernel/strmod/amd64/sdpib ?
[13:47:05] <andyf> They are in my proto..
[13:47:14] <andyf> https://paste.ec/paste/7S1LXQdq#kaA94G96aq-BBHM33OscbFZq9qpTf2WE44tOAt2OjH8
[13:55:00] <andyf> (that's proto/root_i386-nd )
[14:01:32] <andyf> Re my unexpected reboot problem, I can see that init has ended up calling reboot.. any thoughts on how to find out why or any more information?
[14:01:33] <andyf> https://paste.ec/paste/XU0J1OAG#Zew22hZWNynu2sl5pF9S1oOogpfgsPAxheshpncL+S3
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[14:16:57] <andy_js> All processes are children of init, surely.
[14:17:47] <andyf> yes, the parent must have gone away
[14:18:02] <andyf> I think the parent is SMF because if I boot to milestone=none it works
[14:18:14] <andyf> but then I get a reboot when switching to the single-user milestone
[14:19:31] <andyf> so I suppose I look at how to debug smf
[14:20:29] <jimklimov> ok... I thought I was having fun days this weel
[14:20:37] <jimklimov> week... seems you win after all :)
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[14:24:37] <andyf> Me? Well it could be something completely normal, but I want to understand it
[14:27:34] <ptribble> andyf: at one point I got that every first boot
[14:27:45] <ptribble> But can't for the life of me reme,
[14:28:15] * ptribble picks keyboard off floor
[14:28:42] <andyf> well, just found out that enabling `system/keymap` does it..
[14:28:45] <ptribble> ... remember what the cause or the fix was
[14:29:09] <ptribble> It was something to do with the smf repo being inconsistent
[14:29:30] <andyf> ok, so maybe it's any service that manages to transition to online
[14:30:17] <jimklimov> and here's me... migrated my OI VM from one partition-backed storage device to another, through rough loader and partition and pool layout change, and all worked well until the cherry on top
[14:30:32] <jimklimov> I updated OI (and host VBox), and lightdm won't start now
[14:31:06] <jimklimov> maybe something about X11 (or some other?) video driver and the host (or guest tools?) too new, not sure
[14:31:44] <jimklimov> trying another bump inside the new setup for clarity
[14:31:54] <jimklimov> some 380 new pkgs in 2 days :\
[14:33:37] <jimklimov> and yes, nvme feels good... despite the bottlenecks of virtualization and presenting it as SATA at the moment, it sustained over 200Mbyte/sec when replicating... not sure if that is the speed limit of what it was fed (sometimes showed 100%busy in iostat)
[14:34:26] <jimklimov> but then it got filled for the first time I suppose, and dropeed to around 30Mb/s with rare peaks over 100
[14:36:19] <jimklimov> there is some manually reserved space that I zeroed out (could get messed by partition moving), but the explicit TRIM/DISCARD commands were not handled by (virtual to physical) device (stack), from Linux at least
[14:36:46] <jimklimov> but it seems I only got bursts of 100+MB/S back after the cleaning
[14:38:06] <jimklimov> note to followers: if the device promises your partitions will be moved in 7 hours so you start it early workday, to have the laptop done before you take it home, and it sustains the tempo for many hours... don't count that you won't spend much of the evening still at work, waiting for it to finally trickle down...
[14:40:07] <jimklimov> I wonder if I can actually double-boot it somewhere, and TRIM that free space from native linux
[14:42:24] <jimklimov> so the card would know how many pages worth of data it can reshuffle freely, I don't intend to touch them
[14:43:38] <andyf> Ok, got it...
[14:43:56] <andyf> it's because the boot archive needs an update because of the new /etc/versions/build file
[14:44:31] <ptribble> The problem was that I was creating the boot archive too early in install
[14:44:47] <ptribble> In my case, because something fiddled with bootenv.rc
[14:44:48] <andyf> so the early boot stuff creates a flag file, then filesystem/usr initiates the reboot
[14:45:10] <jimklimov> perhaps for this controller (whatever is in Crucial P1, CT1000P1SSD8) the /dev/zero'ed blocks do not translate to it doing a TRIM but are stored... uncompressed...? Many devices take the shortcut and so are TRIMMable easily without the command :)
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[15:08:23] <jimklimov> hm... I have an nvme driver attached (claims NVM 1.1b), from tsoome's ISO, but can't see any disks or pools it seems
[15:08:51] <jimklimov> is there something more to getting nvm controller in OI / illumos? :)
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[15:58:13] <andyf> jimklimov yes, there is the whole business of formatting an nvme
[15:58:49] <andyf> start playing with `nvmeadm`
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[16:04:21] <ptribble> https://mail.openjdk.java.net/pipermail/jdk-dev/2019-October/003370.html
[16:04:25] <jimklimov> um, I already have it formatted and filled with data :)
[16:04:38] <jimklimov> just trying to change the controller type :)
[16:04:42] <andyf> with a format that illumos understands?
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[16:31:10] <jimklimov> leoric: is there some way that lightdm/X11 relies on gpg? my GUI fails to start now, and one of libs I see in truss close to the end is libgpg-error.so
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[17:03:16] <igork> https://github.com/zfsonlinux/zfs/issues/9408
[17:03:29] <igork> can someone try to reproduce simple script ?
[17:11:58] <jimklimov> haven't seen it this way...
[17:12:10] <jimklimov> is that in linux?
[17:13:08] <igork> it is zfs issue
[17:14:04] <jimklimov> on my box I do quite a lot of parallel ops often (zfs recv, mount, destroy...) because it is a lot faster to do so per wallclock time (seems something syncs once in a few seconds, so destroying one snapshot or a hundred with backgrounded zfs commands takes the same time roughly)
[17:14:16] <jimklimov> thats since forever
[17:15:28] <jimklimov> there was also a problem with `zfs mount -a` that may have been addressed recently, at least discussed some months ago, where it could mount leaf entries before their parents, and then fail parents due to not-empty mountpoints
[17:17:07] <jimklimov> which led to this : https://github.com/jimklimov/illumos-smf-zfspools/commit/9eff264bd90f1c10860b7e402c6b1342ccecfc91
[17:17:14] <jimklimov> oh so a year ago, right :)
[17:17:49] <jimklimov> smells related to your issue
[17:18:08] <jimklimov> but mutex and coredump - haven't seen that
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[18:32:19] <KungFuJesus> https://grumpf.hope-2000.org/illumos-11767/ pls merge :)
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[18:37:21] <jbk> it's out for review, so hopefully it'll happen soon
[18:42:33] <KungFuJesus> whose discretion is it to commit?
[18:43:05] <KungFuJesus> Sorry I'm just tired of having the surprise random 1 hour boot time
[18:46:01] <sjorge> KungFuJesus https://illumos.org/docs/contributing/ explains the entire process
[18:47:21] <KungFuJesus> the patch isn't non-trivial, it seems like something that should have went through 2 days ago
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[19:41:17] <LeftWing> KungFuJesus: I have learnt from experience that even a one line change to a storage driver can be non-trivial
[19:41:48] <LeftWing> At any rate, it looks like danmcd approved it: https://illumos.topicbox.com/groups/advocates/T1bbbf8bca7bf4173-M8a48215dacd64a61ae01722d
[19:41:55] <LeftWing> I imagine Woodstock will push it soon
[19:42:12] <danmcd> yes... yes I did.
[19:42:14] <KungFuJesus> I agree but this one seems to be tested and the alternative is far worse
[19:42:41] <KungFuJesus> this was clearly a case where the driver was expected to do an IOC reset and the calls just weren't there to do it
[19:42:45] <LeftWing> Right, and it's been approved
[19:42:51] <KungFuJesus> the actual issue is because...firmware
[19:42:52] <LeftWing> I'm not sure why Woodstock hasn't pushed it
[19:43:00] <LeftWing> Firmware will be the death of us all
[19:44:02] <KungFuJesus> I think there's a firm argument for Rust in the firmware space
[19:45:45] <LeftWing> While I suspect that's true, I think there are much deeper engineering issues at play
[19:46:35] <LeftWing> e.g., given the general level of quality and engineering that seems to go into these things I wouldn't be surprised to just see the "unsafe" keyword all over the place
[19:46:42] <KungFuJesus> Which is exactly why firmware developers need to be put to task by the borrow semantics
[19:46:54] <KungFuJesus> hah, yeah probably
[19:47:13] <LeftWing> It's possible to write space shuttle assembly or C
[19:47:47] <LeftWing> Rust has a lot of valuable guard rails, but it isn't a substitute for an appropriate engineering process and culture
[19:48:25] <KungFuJesus> So why then does firmware attract the wrong talent almost every time, and where it's needed most?
[19:48:46] <LeftWing> One problem is that customers keep buying the rubbish
[19:49:18] <KungFuJesus> What choice do they have? Firmware's in just about everything
[19:49:43] <KungFuJesus> glorious, memory leaking, null pointer dereferencing, watchdog timer tripping firmware
[19:49:57] <LeftWing> Right, but not all firmware is created equally. For instance, at Joyent we had a strong preference for HGST disks because they had (in our experience) the highest quality firmware
[19:50:42] <LeftWing> We attempted to avoid having active SAS expanders in our systems because simply removing them from the system design meant not having to deal with their subpar firmware
[19:50:52] <LeftWing> But we were atypical as a customer
[19:51:15] <KungFuJesus> You can hardly buy a chassis now with an expansionless backplane
[19:51:30] <KungFuJesus> it seems to just be non-existent for mere mortals
[19:51:31] <LeftWing> Yeah, it's a challenge
[19:51:38] <LeftWing> The hyperscale players who understand these things are mostly not buying off-the-shelf stuff. Often they're doing their own firmware inhouse.
[19:52:23] <KungFuJesus> Our current file server's dual expander makes me a bit nervous, though Supermicro isn't the worst offender for this stuff in my experience
[19:52:58] <KungFuJesus> I guess I'll find out if it was a mistake when a disk finally dies. For that we did purchase HGST SAS drives, so hopefully their death won't be pathological
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[19:58:41] <KungFuJesus> sjorge: you get a chance to try violating permissions as a DA, yet?
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[20:35:02] <Woodstock> i haven't pushed because of a public holiday, travel and being completely stressed out. i will do it tonight.
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[22:50:09] <sjorge> KungFuJesus no, nobody was around to get me a temp DA account
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