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[02:46:06] <LeftWing> igork: Are you putting getgrouplist up for review so that you can submit it for integration?
[02:46:38] <igork> LeftWing: it is just for information about my tests with it
[02:46:48] <igork> and can be reused if needed
[02:47:32] <LeftWing> These informational emails are not really helpful if you're not going to do the actual work to get things integrated
[02:47:41] <igork> additional test from bug report: https://paste.dilos.org/?a6e47f67a305bad2#K8kpTYB3JLv2ecxOe6w6N9fBUUTvOsSNb4hgbW5KRtg=
[02:48:05] <igork> LeftWing: someone can be interested in integration abd can do it
[02:48:46] <igork> late to me, go to bed
[02:48:52] <LeftWing> https://illumos.org/docs/contributing/
[02:49:05] <LeftWing> If you want to contribute something, there's the guide
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[07:34:29] <tsoome> LeftWing: any news about vioblk?:)
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[09:59:12] <leoric> another usb issue https://www.illumos.org/issues/11776
[09:59:33] <leoric> Postattach failed for hidX
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[10:17:03] <tsoome> andy_js, andyf could you check over https://illumos.org/rb/r/2357/ ?:)
[10:17:38] <jimklimov> AllanJude: hi, if you're here :) With your presentations on ZFS, I wanted to sanity-check if talking about the performance drop when the pool is "too full" via analogies, as when someone wants to park under a mall: they know there are say 500 places free out of 1000, so they drive in and get a spot effortlessly. If there are just 100 or 10 places free, they would get the spot but maybe after minutes of driving to find one. Does this sound right? :)
[10:18:47] <jimklimov> (if yes, feel free to borrow ;p )
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[10:19:58] <tsoome> that analogy is faulty
[10:20:21] <jimklimov> ehh
[10:20:25] <jimklimov> in what way?
[10:21:25] <tsoome> at least, here you have direction pointers with free slot counter, so you wont drive around trying to find one but you follow the direction with largest free slot count:D
[10:22:03] <jimklimov> ohkay... some malls have the green/red LEDs over each spot :)
[10:22:29] <tsoome> so in that context, the question is how to find those pointers:)
[10:23:00] <jimklimov> right... and sometimes you want to park a bus that needs two places :)
[10:23:00] <tsoome> and then you find that some spots are marked free but half occupied:D
[10:23:33] <tsoome> anyhow, usually those analogues are rather bad
[10:24:26] <jimklimov> well they help first-comers get the idea :)
[10:24:34] <tsoome> in zfs sense, it also takes time to “see” the pointer.
[10:26:47] <jimklimov> so in the under-mall parking, you drive inside, see the banner that P-1 has 0 spots, P-2 has 3, P-3 has 2... and go to the seemingly-right floor (e.g. with shaft closest to you? or at least big enough for your bus?) and then find which lane is green-lit, and then which spot(s) have the green LED over it...
[10:26:57] <tsoome> but also, it may help to think in a way that you need to park not one car, but 10 and you want them parked and leaving at the same time.
[10:28:32] <tsoome> so you try to find 10 free sequential slots, or at least, nearest ones.
[10:29:27] <jimklimov> say an office going to mall for lunch
[10:31:51] <jimklimov> tsoome: BTW, today got a moment to update the Windows Virtualbox host to 6.0.12 and the split-font issue seems gone
[10:32:09] <tsoome> is it?
[10:32:11] <tsoome> sigh
[10:32:18] <tsoome> :D
[10:32:18] <jimklimov> did not check 5.2.x, but in fact my 5.1.x was off support by now
[10:32:31] <tsoome> ok, that is relief
[10:32:36] <jimklimov> they've got some news every year! :)
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[10:33:34] <tsoome> I did walk over the code paths related to font height and scroll and did not find bad things there.
[10:33:35] <jimklimov> So maybe worth plugging into some errata / known-issue docs :)
[10:34:00] <jimklimov> well, at least another pair of eyescrolls never hurts :-D
[10:34:09] <jimklimov> same eyes, next year :)
[10:34:25] <tsoome> but I got the fix done for mode switching: https://illumos.org/rb/r/2365/
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[10:38:06] <tsoome> .oO do not touch it if it is not broken. - but how you do know if it is not broken?
[10:38:16] <wilbury> only by using it.
[10:39:52] <jimklimov> ))
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[11:51:07] <jimklimov> also with new vbox (and its newer nvme in ext pack) the boot seems to go quite a bit better
[11:51:54] <jimklimov> but for some reason, although loader was set up to (and claimed to) use the firefly "module" miniroot, it still booted into the real system
[11:52:19] <jimklimov> which is even better for my needs, but I did not get the recovery env I wanted so sort of a bug :)
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[12:12:57] <jimklimov> gotta check i it still looks at nvm though
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[12:43:45] <jimklimov> so after some quick experiments, getting it to run with nvme is still a problem (maybe solvable like lack of drivers in the OS root and boot_archive), and the loader claims to but does not in fact load the firefly miniroot and rather goes for real boot_archive despite it reportedly disabled per show-module-options... maybe some more typos in my config files though
[12:43:45] <jimklimov> but the nvme connected to a sata controller, with GPT partitioning and EFI boot, that tuple works and boots... so I guess good enough for migration to new storage stick, and can optimize the controller change (and see if it boosts something in practice) later...
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[12:44:19] <jimklimov> now.... how to use the same ESP for two VMs on this stick, to have each auto-boot into a different OS? :-)
[12:45:27] <jimklimov> I wonder if startup.nsh, or one of the loaders (loader, grub, grub2, ...) can be made to accept the "arguments" that VirtualBox can pass, and so at worst boot its native OS or chainload to another file/partition/...
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[12:53:14] <tsoome> you can have: title Disk1\nchain disk1:\n in rpool/boot/menu.lst
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[12:54:09] <tsoome> or chain disk0p1:/efi/windows/blaah.efi
[12:55:08] <tsoome> efi chainloader needs efi program file name, bios chainloader needs device (or MBR file image, 512B).
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[12:58:37] <tsoome> hm. bootadm(1M) could have few updates regarding to that.
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[15:12:21] <ptribble> I wonder if we should add C++ to perl and java on the list of things we ought to evict from the gate
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[15:16:57] <jimklimov> enter Rust? ;D
[15:18:13] <jimklimov> saw this? http://web.eecs.utk.edu/~smarz1/osblog/
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[16:00:33] <jimklimov> is there a particular reason why I've got this recently (Sep update)? /etc/profile.d/modules.sh:MANPATH='::'
[16:00:52] <jimklimov> maybe before, but just noticed at least
[16:00:57] <jimklimov> root has no man :)
[16:17:36] <wilbury> jimklimov: you live in prague?
[16:19:30] <jimklimov> yes currently
[16:19:35] <jimklimov> for some years
[16:22:09] <wilbury> ehehe, i'm there at least one weekend a month
[16:25:09] <jimklimov> I see, not a long ride :)
[16:25:39] <jimklimov> only passed Bratislava by highway a few times on the way elsewhere though
[16:32:15] <AllanJude> jimklimov: the issue can also be your car is too big, so you have to take it apart and put different chunks of it in different tiny spots
[16:32:30] <jimklimov> :)
[16:32:33] <wilbury> :-)
[16:32:49] <jimklimov> oh, first thought it was wilbury about parking in Bratislava =)
[16:33:36] <jimklimov> have some colleagues who originated there, and unanimous that I didn't miss much by not getting into the city... maybe except the castle
[16:34:23] <jimklimov> AllanJude: that part was for the ganging?
[16:35:18] <jimklimov> yeah... but here the analogy also works: taking the car apart and back is possible technically, and does add work and time overheads... right?
[16:36:06] <wilbury> jimklimov: the city is nice! :-)
[16:36:48] <jimklimov> so latency between having driven in... parked... and eventually finding all the pieces, recombining and getting back out of the garage
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[16:38:37] <jbk> ptribble: i have a C rewrite of libfru but no way to test it
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[16:43:49] <ptribble> Hm. We build libfru on x86, so are there no consumers for it there?
[16:46:36] <jbk> apparently (or perhaps only for x86 systems using sun hardware)
[16:47:02] <tsoome> andy_js: do you mind if I request some whitespace cleanups?:)
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[16:52:03] <andy_js> Yes.
[16:52:13] <andy_js> But feel free to do so anyway.
[17:07:26] <tsoome> :D
[17:09:37] <tsoome> only few.
[17:27:51] <jimklimov> tsoome: to have `beadm` manage loader rather than grub, does it suffice to disable or remove "/etc/default/be : BE_HAS_GRUB=true" from the current BE, the new one getting activated, or all BE's ? :)
[17:28:04] <jimklimov> jeopardy, tick-tock! :)
[17:28:10] <tsoome> yes
[17:29:02] <jimklimov> which one? :)
[17:29:26] <tsoome> if you are not going to activate older BE, then it is enough to be done with current and every new one
[17:29:35] <tsoome> otherwise you need to be careful
[17:30:09] <jimklimov> ok, thanks
[17:30:38] <tsoome> you can boot them any time, but the tools to activate an BE are run from currently active BE
[17:30:47] <tsoome> tools + settings
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[17:31:57] <jimklimov> ahhah, good - so if I enable an old BE to run it, I don't get grub back right away?
[17:32:07] <jimklimov> only if I beadm from that BE?
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[17:36:53] <tsoome> yes
[17:37:22] <tsoome> but, you can pick BE from BE menu in loader, that will not make it permanent
[17:37:57] <tsoome> even if you run beadm on ok prompt, it is not permanent:D
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[17:40:33] <jimklimov> nice to know, thanks
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[20:54:19] <KungFuJesus> andy_js: what's your opinion on this? https://www.illumos.org/issues/11773
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[21:27:15] <andy_js> I suspect that it’s not a bug but would be very interested to see how behaviour compares to Windows.
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[21:40:07] <KungFuJesus> It just doesn't feel right to me
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[21:51:54] <torstenk> what kind of hardware are you running illumos on? Any old Sun V-series servers?
[21:54:21] <igork> torstenk: i'm using sun4v T5220 with dilos
[21:54:33] <igork> + sunfire v490
[21:54:47] <igork> + sunfire v240
[21:55:17] <igork> but v490 and v240 are sun4u
[21:56:40] <torstenk> ah, nice. I have a v480 and possibly a v490 in storage.
[21:58:42] <torstenk> do you have a bootable dilos iso online for those sun4u machines?
[21:59:25] <KungFuJesus> does triblix work on sun4u systems?
[22:01:43] <KungFuJesus> I'm tempted to hack on either tribblix or dilos, depending on how complicated the ON build process for them is. I have a SunFire V420 that desperately needs something newer on it
[22:03:00] <ptribble> Sure, Tribblix will work on most common SPARC systems
[22:03:20] <ptribble> The V240 should be fine
[22:03:57] <KungFuJesus> It might be a 240, it might be a 400 something, I don't recall off the top of my head. It's actually somewhere else other than home right now
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[22:04:31] <ptribble> v480/490 have cassini network interfaces, don't they? And Tribblix doesn't have a ce driver
[22:04:39] <KungFuJesus> it's a 2U barney colored thing
[22:05:06] <KungFuJesus> looks like it might be the V240
[22:05:20] <ptribble> The size would match
[22:06:13] <ptribble> I have a blog on how to build illumos on Tribblix, which is mostly right for sparc
[22:06:46] <ptribble> Although there are still a few hacks needed for the sparc build
[22:07:23] <ptribble> (But I was pleased to come back from vacation and find no new breakage.)
[22:07:35] <tsoome> :D
[22:07:47] <sjorge> Re #11773, samba has similar behavior... if you poke me tomorrow while I am at work, I can test on a windows server too
[22:08:18] <KungFuJesus> I might not remember how to get the ALOM thing to work, hah
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[22:08:47] <KungFuJesus> sjorge: It seems like Windows _might_ do the same thing but I can't find anything definitive that says it
[22:09:17] <sjorge> I know at work we were surprise too at the samba bahavior
[22:09:33] <igork> torstenk: i have old dilos iso and can upgrade it to latest, but new iso will be available soon with release. we have gcc6 builds on intel and sparc
[22:09:50] <sjorge> But I believe we did test it and it matched with windows as if the user was in file servers 'Administrators' group
[22:10:00] <sjorge> But this was 3 years ago and it's a bit vague
[22:10:20] <sjorge> I think a 'Domain Admin' is automatically added to the local machiens 'Administrators' group on Domain join though
[22:10:58] <sjorge> Only have a W10 vm at home to test though, I an get a actualy window fileserver at work but getting Domain Admin for the test... is a bit harder
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[22:11:15] <KungFuJesus> ptribble: you know if the quad network adapter built in is ce or something else?
[22:11:20] <igork> ptribble: about ce driver: you can find it on only b134 iso - i did import it to binary driver for v440
[22:11:41] <igork> if you need, i can share b134 iso
[22:12:04] <ptribble> what's the source of the ce driver - is it redistributable?
[22:12:20] <igork> no sources - just old binaries
[22:12:38] <igork> on v490 we have added e1000
[22:12:46] <ptribble> source as in where did it come from?
[22:12:58] <igork> because ce have issues with vnic in first time
[22:13:27] <igork> binary ce driver present on old b134-sparc.iso
[22:13:32] <KungFuJesus> I kind of want the built quad NIC of the 240 to be ce - it'll be something for me to do, hah
[22:13:56] <ptribble> I'm fairly sure the V240 isn't ce
[22:14:02] <igork> ptribble: https://apt2.dilos.org/dilos/isos/sparc/textinstall-134-sparc.iso
[22:14:23] <igork> you can install it somewhere and found installed ce driver binary
[22:15:42] <igork> v240 have no ce driver, but v440 and v490 does
[22:16:49] <sjorge> @KungFuJesus from what the internet says, windows does not have that bahvior because explorer runs unelevated by default
[22:17:01] <sjorge> to traverse the folders you need to urn it elevated apparently
[22:17:40] <sjorge> But all those posts are old though
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[22:17:55] <KungFuJesus> Right, I can see that being the case for local admin
[22:18:15] <ptribble> As I recall, the V240 is bge
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[22:18:37] <KungFuJesus> I've definitely encountered that before, where the true admin user still requires elevation to basically SYSTEM on an AD free system
[22:19:00] <KungFuJesus> ptribble: ahh man. I'd still like something newer on this than OpenSXCE, though
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[22:20:10] <KungFuJesus> and you can't actually run explorer.exe's shell "as admin"
[22:20:24] <KungFuJesus> because explorer.exe is basically your entire desktop session
[22:20:58] * sjorge wants to try that now on w10
[22:20:59] <sjorge> brb
[22:21:18] <torstenk> igork i just saw that you might bring out 2.x isos.
[22:21:38] <KungFuJesus> But it sure seems that AD joined systems have the paradigm of yesteryear, where you have admin super powers assigned to you without the need to elevate
[22:21:54] <ptribble> KungFuJesus: Tribblix is a lot newer than OpenSXCE
[22:22:05] <KungFuJesus> for sure, that guy dropped off the face of the earth
[22:22:14] <ptribble> I need to get a newer release out, though
[22:22:27] <torstenk> would an old hme card work in a v480 with your distros?
[22:22:41] <igork> torstenk: but not for sparc yet - all work done on inter and we have code freeze
[22:22:50] <igork> s/inter/intel
[22:22:55] <torstenk> got it
[22:23:35] <ptribble> torstenk: yes, using another PCI network card would work fine
[22:24:09] <KungFuJesus> sjorge: I'm not convinced either way, though
[22:24:09] <torstenk> OK, I guess I'll just have to give it all a try and see how far I get. Been a while since them v480s have been powered on, but it's winter soon, and the exhaust heat from those beasts will simply warm my house. ;-)
[22:24:46] <ptribble> Ah, yes, my sparc boxes haven't been running much over the summer
[22:25:12] <KungFuJesus> much of midwestern US is still in 90F+ weather for some reason
[22:26:07] <torstenk> uh, here in Norway, temps are falling to 0C, er 32F this weekend
[22:26:09] <sjorge> At least on W10 Pro, you cannot
[22:26:20] <sjorge> I even tried via cmd -> run as admin -> explorer.exe
[22:26:27] <sjorge> it just execs... then the process goies away
[22:26:37] <sjorge> it probbaly tells the existing one to open a new window
[22:26:39] <KungFuJesus> sjorge: right, but you're elevating for a local resource as a local admin user, I think that "Administrators" from a domain are treated differently
[22:26:44] <KungFuJesus> for...no apparent reason
[22:26:49] <sjorge> Even with execute explorer as a seperate process
[22:27:11] <sjorge> AFAIK they DOMAIN\Domains Admins is part of LOCAL\Administrators though
[22:27:19] <sjorge> Atleast on all servers at work
[22:27:27] <KungFuJesus> Perhaps it's something baked into GPOL?
[22:28:11] <KungFuJesus> sjorge: let me know when you try it at work on the redmine page, I'm very much interested, I've found conflicting information on it
[22:28:35] <sjorge> Yeah, if I don't forget/have time I will look into it
[22:28:46] <sjorge> All I know is, that the behavior does 100% match samba
[22:28:56] <jbk> that is why I have 1 small server that doesn't produce a lot of heat :) our first 'cold' front of the season is going to take it down to 19C overnight and 27C during the day
[22:29:08] <KungFuJesus> yeah, the question is, is it work matching Windows' behavior or Sambas? Both are pretty prevalent at this point
[22:29:27] <sjorge> I'd say we should aim to match windows
[22:29:40] <sjorge> Or more importantly, the spec microsoft publishes!
[22:29:51] <torstenk> jdk ;-)
[22:30:08] <KungFuJesus> Yeah, that's probably the goal. I'm sure there are more admins trying to get their file servers to pretend to be Windows than to match Samba's backward interpretation of the spec
[22:30:38] <sjorge> I mean we tried to get samba to match windows, we got close
[22:30:47] <sjorge> We're moving to Likewise atm though
[22:30:55] <sjorge> I could not convince them to go OmniOS + kernel smbsrv
[22:31:01] <sjorge> So we went with isilon
[22:31:12] <sjorge> Still better than samba though :D
[22:32:37] <KungFuJesus> Dell wrote their own SMB server?
[22:35:14] <ptribble> EMC, not Dell
[22:35:27] <KungFuJesus> didn't Dell buy them?
[22:35:48] <KungFuJesus> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dell_EMC
[22:35:52] <sjorge> Yes, Dell bought EMC
[22:36:02] <sjorge> And no, they bought the company working on Likewise
[22:36:16] <sjorge> They did keep developing it, there is macOS support and such and SMB 3 with CA
[22:36:18] <KungFuJesus> "Beyond Trust"?
[22:37:42] <sjorge> I forgot the comapny name
[22:41:05] <KungFuJesus> hahlol, for sure they sold off the name and domain: https://likewise.com
[22:42:13] <KungFuJesus> that's the one https://web.archive.org/web/20101125140349/http://likewise.com/
[22:44:13] <KungFuJesus> it's weird, you're like the 3rd person that's mentioned to me an LikeWise based product that's actively still in use, and yet I can't even really find evidence of them existing anywhere on the internet
[22:44:20] <KungFuJesus> I'd never heard of them until them
[22:44:23] <KungFuJesus> then*
[22:45:31] <KungFuJesus> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_products_that_support_SMB I don't know if it's just that Samba is so prolific that none of these things gain enough traction to get brand recognition, or they just do it so quietly for their botique appliances that we never hear their names
[22:46:41] <KungFuJesus> for sure this thing is running samba, right? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Enterprise_Server Novell was like the maintainer of samba forever, right?
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[23:04:08] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 11265 Add support for SHA512_224 and SHA512_256 to KCF and PKCS#11 -- Jason King <jason.king at joyent dot com>
[23:05:29] <ricksha-512> did sun ever release any open source release of xview past 3.2?
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[23:09:13] <sjorge> The page could use an update :p it has SMB3 support now
[23:09:48] <sjorge> I mean, not many people know illumos has it's own smb server either so :shrug:
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