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[00:08:59] <despair86> say, for what particular use case would a business buy the Solaris *source code* product licence in the past
[00:09:42] <LeftWing> despair86: I can imagine all sorts of things; e.g., if you were writing custom drivers for various hardware
[00:10:10] <LeftWing> Or if you were working on something like a file system (e.g., Veritas had vxfs?)
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[00:12:32] <despair86> ah. over here we have the windows driver kit for that, though the only thing comparable in there would be the source for some drivers that are coincidentally delivered as part of windows 10 itself
[00:13:30] <despair86> on the software side, the previous version (i.e. before windows 7) of wordpad is still shipped in VS2019
[00:13:46] <despair86> as part of the mfc samples
[00:14:11] <despair86> interesting to know regardless
[00:14:14] * despair86 smiles
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[00:15:36] <alanc> Solaris had the Driver Development Kit for drivers that just needed the supported API's, but some drivers wanted to do things those API's didn't support, and others just wanted an easier time debugging by being able to understand better what was happening on the kernel side
[00:16:02] <alanc> other purchasers of the source wanted to make changes to the code, in the days before it was open source
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[04:44:49] <tozhu> hello all, for svcadm used manifest xml file, what’s the signal is used for the exec :kill ?
[04:44:51] <tozhu> <exec_method type="method" name="stop" exec=":kill" timeout_seconds="30"/>
[04:53:23] <tozhu> no body here?
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[05:18:44] * despair86 shrugs
[05:19:08] * despair86 is building illumos-gate with a driver added
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[09:00:10] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 11717 loader.efi: efipart needs to use ioalign -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
[09:00:16] <tsoome> LeftWing: ping:)
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[10:20:04] <grayjack> Hello there
[10:21:04] <grayjack> I'm having trouble finding documentation about this function: _getgroupsbymember
[10:21:24] <grayjack> Can you guys point me out?
[10:22:23] <grayjack> I'm the owner of this project: https://github.com/GrayJack/coreutils
[10:24:07] <grayjack> And the only missing part to complete Tier2 platforms is to compile on Solaris kernel systems, and since it's the only one that don't have the getgrouplist function, I was trying to find a equivalent for Solaris systems
[10:25:16] <grayjack> I found out that groups utility of illumos used _getgroupsbymember, but I didn't find any documentation about it
[10:25:30] <_mjg> stuff starting with _ is pretty much internal
[10:25:30] <wilbury> ohai
[10:26:09] <_mjg> however, i see cmd/groups/groups.c using it
[10:26:23] <_mjg> the api looks pretty straightforward too
[10:26:37] <_mjg> but there are probably no promises about its stability
[10:27:12] <grayjack> Yeah, I found out that mostly it was used intead of getgrent cause the last is slow
[10:29:11] <despair86> the most dangerous string found in /usr/bin/pax: @(#)SunOS 5.11 master-0-ged54d13f September 2019
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[10:43:59] <tsoome> grayjack: http://src.illumos.org/source/xref/illumos-gate/usr/src/lib/libc/port/gen/getgrnam_r.c#216
[10:45:47] <tsoome> the getgrouplist itself is promising:D BUGS: The glibc 2.3.2 implementation of this function is broken
[10:45:49] <tsoome> ...
[10:46:32] <wilbury> moin
[10:46:51] <tsoome> moin
[10:56:05] <grayjack> tsoome thanks
[10:56:37] <tsoome> however, note it is private, meaning, you really should not depend on it…
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[10:57:56] <tsoome> we can provide getgrouplist() on illumos, but illumos != solaris.
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[11:09:27] <grayjack> Right now, Rust cannot differentiate between one or the other
[11:10:55] <grayjack> Hehe, so I'm in a complicated situation, where for solaris I would depend on that internal function, but in illumos one can have getgrouplist
[11:11:04] <tsoome> as the generic case, it should not need to, the features are important
[11:14:15] <grayjack> Well, at least on Solaris I'm sure they don't expose getgrouplist
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[11:16:11] <grayjack> tsoome Does Illumos got to the point where it's super different from solaris? If so, I would happily open a issue on Rust about supporting illumos as a new target_os
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[11:27:17] <jperkin> we already have people looking into that, but note that it's still best to provide backwards compat as you may be running on an illumos platform before getgrouplist() was introduced
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[11:52:18] <grayjack> Nice to know :3
[12:04:23] <grayjack> Oh, looks like that Rust community found enough difference to have the trouble to start to try to include in the language a illumos target
[12:04:26] <grayjack> That's nice
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[12:19:30] <grayjack> Btw, thanks to all involved cause now I have a working build of my tools on solaris and probably working as well on illumos
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[12:20:02] <tsoome> cool:)
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[16:29:54] <rmustacc> grayjack: Would having a getgrouplist(3C) ala glibc help here?
[16:30:11] <rmustacc> Can't bring it back in time, but for new stuff at least?
[16:31:19] <rmustacc> Actually, it's been asked for in the past. Should probably sit down and do it.
[16:34:57] <igork> good news: first debug build by gcc6 have been loaded to sparc : https://paste.dilos.org/?7190a3eeabbab493#Afrjab8RlXE5F9/usw5uNm2yr1Qh+3BYoYjGgJJ2Ha0=
[16:35:10] <igork> but need bootstrap gcc6 + SunAS + illumos LD
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[16:35:47] <igork> some issue present in kmdb - latest lines 247-349
[16:36:08] <igork> but working prototype is possible
[16:36:37] <igork> and can say ''goodby gcc44"
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[16:39:00] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 7661 illumos should provide 64bit perl modules -- Andrew Stormont <astormont at racktopsystems dot com>
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[16:56:08] <rmustacc> grayjack: Just a warning is that _getgroupsbymember doesn't have the same semantics as getgrouplist() with respect to the number of groups returned. It only returns up to n groups there.
[16:56:15] <rmustacc> And doesn't indicate the required size.
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[17:17:21] <tsoome> I think we should add getgrouplist(), yep.
[17:19:05] <tsoome> the challenge is about how much it will cost:) having seen group related queries taking 30-40 seconds against AD….
[17:28:21] <rmustacc> tsoome: Yeah, unfortunately not much can be done about the nss cost.
[17:28:27] <rmustacc> But I'm setting up a prototype of it.
[17:29:02] <rmustacc> tsoome: If you have an AD instance and want to see just how bad it is, that'd be great.
[17:35:11] <rmustacc> At least nscd shouldn't make that so bad.
[17:46:44] <tsoome> unfortunately I had it at client site…
[17:46:54] <rmustacc> Ah, make sense.
[17:47:45] <tsoome> and I believe, the fact that it did cross 4 countries and multiple sites and qiute some servers, was also contributing factor
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[17:48:39] <rmustacc> Hahaha
[17:50:55] <Reinhilde> Malnutrition does weird things to a human
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[20:49:20] <tsoome> any advocate to approve 11755?:)
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[21:13:00] <igork> weekend lawyer on duty
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[23:27:02] <despair86> whose idea was it to have a /usr/has/*
[23:29:14] <wilbury> have had has?
[23:29:33] <despair86> i think this is the one that became /usr/sunos/* in S2.11.x
[23:36:39] <grayjack> rmustacc It would help a lot to have getgrouplist() like glibc
[23:37:56] <grayjack> Also, I notice that, so I used sysconf(_SC_NGROUPS_MAX) to get the max number of a user group
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[23:57:40] <jbk> i thought at least the nss backend had a method that'd work for getgrouplist
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