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[00:56:53] <copec> perlgod of all the tools on both platforms from a sysadmin perspective there is only a minor difference to solaris 11 express: https://unaen.org/solaris_11_express_docs/Oracle%20Solaris%2011%20Express%20Information%20Library%202010.11%20Release.html
[00:59:10] <copec> That links to the pdfs hosted at oracle still, they redirect the web based docs to the current solaris docs... so just look at the pdfs for reference. For instance, network management has full crossbow documented there, where it hadn't come out yet when the opensolaris bible came out
[01:01:33] <despair86> the only huge difference i can come up with if you read the 2.11.4 docs is the lack of full XPG7 and the new kstats v2 thing
[01:01:40] <despair86> otherwise
[01:01:43] * despair86 shrugs
[01:03:00] <copec> There are a lot of small things that add up
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[02:08:00] <stevenw99> can you add an IP to a zone nic using vmadm update without having to add/remove the whole nic?
[02:08:10] <stevenw99> wrong channel
[02:08:15] <stevenw99> meant to do that on the smartos one
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[03:54:07] <Reinhilde> despair86: so we're still on the old xpg?
[03:55:02] <despair86> yeah POSIX.1-2001
[03:55:52] <Reinhilde> is it theoretically possible to boot illumos and freebsd off of the same zfs root pool? what features do I need to enable/ensure I haven't enabled to maximise my chances of this working?
[03:59:54] <Reinhilde> and then how would you suggest would be the best way to install an illumos distribution, bootstrapping from my freebsd install
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[05:56:18] <tozhu> is there anyone use arping to maintain VIP’s mac address
[05:56:45] <tozhu> I hit issue here https://pastebin.com/u0fEppFc
[05:56:56] <tozhu> may I know if anyone could help?
[06:10:10] <LeftWing_> tozhu: Where did you get that arping from?
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[06:10:47] <tozhu> nodeB, which is an smartos zone
[06:10:57] <LeftWing> So the arping comes from pkgsrc?
[06:11:35] <LeftWing> I suspect what's happening is that this software is looking at the interface name (e.g., "net0") and deciding it must use the "net" driver
[06:11:46] <LeftWing> It's trying to open the "/dev/net" device, on that basis
[06:11:59] <tozhu> yes
[06:12:08] <LeftWing> But "/dev/net" is actually a directory which contains nodes for all the network devices in the zone, now
[06:12:31] <LeftWing> So arping needs to be opening "/dev/net/net0" at the very least
[06:12:48] <LeftWing> I recall needing to patch the ISC DHCP server to do this in the past
[06:13:00] <LeftWing> Perhaps arping needs a similar patch
[06:13:07] <tozhu> https://pastebin.com/VfNBft9k
[06:13:10] * Reinhilde screamsn
[06:13:16] <tozhu> here is the screen dump
[06:13:51] <LeftWing> Right, the net* interfaces in there are what's causing the software to try to open /dev/net
[06:13:53] <tozhu> LeftWing, would you please show me the patches you submited to ISC DHCP?
[06:13:59] <LeftWing> I did not submit them to ISC
[06:14:12] <LeftWing> Somebody else may have, or we might be floating patches in pkgsrc
[06:14:14] <LeftWing> Let me look in pkgsrc
[06:14:26] <tozhu> okay, thank you very much
[06:15:15] <LeftWing> tozhu: I think it's this one: https://github.com/joyent/pkgsrc/blob/trunk/net/isc-dhcp4/patches/patch-common_dlpi.c
[06:15:58] <tozhu> thank you very much
[06:16:00] <LeftWing> Judging by the arping error messages, you'd need to find the "libnet_open_link()" function in the source and have it construct the path string correctly
[06:16:16] <LeftWing> In the distant past, it used to be true that all NICs were named <driver><instancenumber>
[06:16:22] <tozhu> https://github.com/iputils/iputils/blob/master/arping.c
[06:16:56] <LeftWing> That's not true in general anymore, but it _is_ now true that /dev/net/<interfacename> should exist
[06:17:12] <LeftWing> (rather than /dev/<driveR>)
[06:17:27] <tozhu> the interface is exists under /dev/net/netxxx
[06:17:42] <LeftWing> Right
[06:17:49] <LeftWing> I'm not sure this is the right arping?
[06:18:10] <tozhu> I think, maybe it’s the same reason
[06:19:08] <LeftWing> Looking at "pkgin pd arping" it seems like it's this one: http://www.habets.pp.se/synscan/programs.php?prog=arping
[06:19:26] <tozhu> don’t had libnet_open_link api in the source code, [tony at wwit001:arping-2 dot 20] grep -r 'libnet_open_link' *
[06:21:27] <LeftWing> So I guess it's probably in libnet
[06:23:19] <tozhu> we can run the command in global zone, but can’t run it in local zone
[06:23:41] <LeftWing> https://github.com/libnet/libnet/blob/master/libnet/src/libnet_link_dlpi.c#L194
[06:24:02] <LeftWing> tozhu: I suspect that's because in the global zone, your NIC is named <driver><instancenumber> and there is a /dev/<driver> for the card
[06:24:38] <LeftWing> Though there will also be a /dev/net/<interfacename>, which is the solution that will work everywhere
[06:25:35] <LeftWing> tozhu: This looks relevant... https://github.com/libnet/libnet/blob/master/libnet/src/libnet_link_dlpi.c#L148-L164
[06:25:50] <tozhu> LeftWing: in global zone, the nic is named /dev/net/igb0
[06:26:04] <LeftWing> Right, but there is (in the GZ) also a /dev/igb
[06:26:40] <LeftWing> So I think this patch is germane: https://github.com/libnet/libnet/commit/70a3af487c60147af17af6819ec1c7a9e96b2b73
[06:26:54] <LeftWing> It looks like it may well be in libnet-1.2 and that pkgsrc might be shipping libnet-1.1
[06:27:36] <tozhu> so, surrently, is it still use libnet-1.1 ?
[06:28:03] <tozhu> libnet11-1.1.2.1 C library for portable packet creation and injection
[06:28:21] <tozhu> yes, pkgin still use 11-1.1
[06:28:42] <LeftWing> It looks like it, here at least: https://github.com/joyent/pkgsrc/blob/trunk/net/arping/Makefile#L14
[06:28:46] <LeftWing> Right
[06:28:53] <LeftWing> So I think that explains this problem, at least
[06:29:05] <LeftWing> jperkin might have thoughts on what to do about updating
[06:30:08] <tozhu> LeftWing: Thank you very much for the help
[06:30:16] <LeftWing> You are most welcome!
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[13:29:10] <perlgod> SFE repo still pulling 10kbps after 2 days...oh well. time to burn it down and pkgsrc everything
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[14:39:59] <neirac> Smithx10, hi are we able to build nomad from upstream or we still need patching?
[14:40:15] <Smithx10> i didnt touch it, i was being lazy and waiting for jperkin
[14:40:21] <Smithx10> he pushed a branch i believe with this changes
[14:43:26] <neirac> Smithx10 thanks
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[14:53:14] <Smithx10> neirac: I think I can get you the
[14:53:17] <Smithx10> link 1 sec
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[14:54:14] <Smithx10> @neirac https://github.com/jperkin/gopsutil/commit/85cb8adacd364e902b5c1e2b2b69b2d8436fa3e8
[14:54:25] <Smithx10> He has the kstat beginnings in there and moved some stuff around
[15:06:09] <neirac> Smithx10 thanks a lot
[15:14:30] <Smithx10> lol
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[15:17:26] <andyf> Anybody feel like reviewing my `netstat -u` change? https://www.illumos.org/rb/r/2311/
[15:19:56] <Smithx10> neirac: not sure if we should be using the solaris tag, in 1.13 the illumos tag exists
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[15:25:33] <leoric> libzoneinfo is broken
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[15:30:22] <leoric> https://pastebin.com/Pwr3315a
[15:30:33] <leoric> it states that there's no countries in Europe
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[15:40:22] <denk> it looks in the future :)
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[15:40:57] <leoric> Evidently, it doesn't like 'UA +4457+03406 Europe/Simferopol - MSK+00 - Crimea' line
[15:42:52] <andyf> Oh :(.. looks like something else we should test when updating timezone info
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[15:44:29] <andyf> That line was changed to start with "UA" instead of "RU" in the last update
[15:45:58] <leoric> I see. If I move it to UA section or remove, countries in Europe appear back
[15:49:40] <leoric> libzoneinfo suppose that zone file is sorted
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[15:55:57] <andyf> So we should backout 11676, or do a quick follow-up
[16:01:35] <leoric> I'm for a follow-up... See what happens when you try to bring Simferopol back to Ukraine - the Europe vanishes... ;)
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[16:14:17] <andyf> leoric, should we just move the line to keep that .tab file sorted? (and add something to the README about this)
[16:14:38] <leoric> Likely
[16:18:12] <andyf> It's that or we "fix" libzoneinfo..
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[16:39:21] <jimklimov> however, per https://what-if.xkcd.com/53/ it should have all been Netherlands... but again, no need for naming countries then :)
[16:40:42] <andyf> leoric, https://illumos.org/rb/r/2346/
[16:44:49] <jimklimov> LGTM
[16:44:55] <jimklimov> can't log in at the moment
[16:44:58] <andyf> I'm just adding a note to README.illumos too
[16:46:26] <andyf> leoric - Sorry about the breakage, I spent most of my testing time on that on Morocco!
[16:47:06] <andyf> jimklimov, thanks
[16:49:27] * psydroid grew up in South Netherlands
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[16:57:46] <jimklimov> that's an unconventional choice
[16:58:03] <andyf> Morocco? That's where most of the tzdata changes were this time
[16:58:05] <jimklimov> did you convert to us from the linux flock? :)
[16:58:19] <jimklimov> no, the South Netherlands ;)
[16:58:44] <andyf> I think he means the South Netherlands as per the last frame in the comic..
[16:59:04] <jimklimov> yep, not many people raised there currently
[16:59:19] <andyf> ahhh.. sorry, I'm being slow today
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[17:43:26] <andyf> leoric, if you're happy with https://illumos.org/rb/r/2346/ let me know and I'll send it for RTI
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[18:38:58] <jlevon> andyf: hey, do you have a side-port of retpolines?
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[18:40:29] <andyf> Yes, but to OmniOS rather than gate.
[18:40:33] <andyf> https://github.com/omniosorg/illumos-omnios/commit/932f7e36a021e2855
[18:41:30] <andyf> Looks like only swtch.s conflicted, so it may not help much with any upstream work
[18:42:50] <jlevon> yeah that's what I meant by side port
[18:43:02] <jlevon> I was just wondering if your "it boots" actually had retpolines on
[18:43:29] <andyf> It's booted if there's anything you want me to check
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[18:44:10] <jlevon> don't think so
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[19:03:16] <andyf> @andy_js, are you planning to push 7661 in the next day or two? If not I'll cherry pick it before OmniOS freezes
[19:03:42] <andy_js> Yes I am. Thanks for reminding me about it.
[19:04:37] <andy_js> Does anyone know how to disable syslog buffering?
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[19:10:01] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 11744 zone_sun.tab file must remain sorted -- Andy Fiddaman <omnios at citrus-it dot co.uk>
[19:10:09] <andyf> leoric, there you go, sorry about the breakage ther
[19:10:11] <andyf> +e
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[20:13:57] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 11675 NFSv4 client: Exclusive create should close the file after setattr failure -- Marcel Telka <marcel at telka dot sk>
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[20:27:07] <Reinhilde> the closest pharmacological facsimile of my life right now would have to be benadryl and LSD at the same time.
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[20:36:01] <dsockwell> possibly off-topic but how exactly
[20:37:00] <jlevon> "possibly" ??
[20:40:26] <dsockwell> it could have come back to illumos, this type of thing is unpredictable
[20:43:44] <Reinhilde> illumos is, ironically, how i get some sanity
[20:45:58] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 11709 zfs: zio_checksum_table may be accessed past array end -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
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[20:51:52] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 11742 installboot: PCFS needs mbr update even if there is X86BOOT partition -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
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[21:00:46] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 11743 installboot: stage2 partition may be smaller than mboot buffer -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
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[21:21:53] <copec> Anyone here old-school enough to have worked on Solaris MC?
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[21:23:30] <tsoome> management console?
[21:24:06] * alanc is so old-school to have forgotten what Solaris MC was
[21:24:19] <tsoome> there was 2 SMC
[21:24:38] <tsoome> sun management console was other
[21:25:26] <tsoome> center even
[21:25:44] <KungFuJe1us> ummm https://pastebin.com/0gra2m84 are these errors getting corrected by ECC?
[21:26:04] <tsoome> https://www.oracle.com/technetwork/systems/patches/sysmgmt/smc-jsp-138444.html :D
[21:26:46] <tsoome> and https://docs.oracle.com/cd/E19683-01/806-4073/6jd67r93m/index.html
[21:26:47] <tsoome> :D
[21:27:02] <tsoome> elephants have memory....
[21:27:46] <copec> https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/Solaris-MC%3A-A-Multi-Computer-OS-Khalidi-Bernab%C3%A9u-Aub%C3%A1n/79a85e0d8a12d87d31c9841fb360ce2d524e18ba
[21:28:41] <tsoome> um, roots from Spring project?
[21:29:21] <tsoome> or perhaps vice versa even, considering the year.
[21:29:42] <KungFuJe1us> ahh yes, CDE. Can someone take the recently open sourced work on this and put it in IPS?
[21:30:21] <KungFuJe1us> it'd be awesome to have CDE in OpenIndiana
[21:30:25] *** KungFuJe1us is now known as KungFuJesus
[21:31:57] <Agnar> KungFuJesus: Peter Tribble did that for Tribblix afaik
[21:32:31] <KungFuJesus> awww man, :(. I'd use it but the SVR4-only packaging is kind of a turn off for me. I like pkg creating BEs
[21:33:06] <copec> That wouldn't be hard to do manually, I would think
[21:33:28] <ptribble> Tribblix creates and manages BEs for you, so that's not a blocker :-)
[21:33:31] <KungFuJesus> yeah, I suppose beadm is likely still there, creating a backup be by hand isn't _that_ hard
[21:33:59] <KungFuJesus> ptribble: does it do any form of intelligent dependency resolution?
[21:34:23] <KungFuJesus> I remember playing with OpenSXCE and being a bit annoyed at the perl based tooling to install and grab packages
[21:34:37] <copec> I like IPS too (a lot), but then I sort of swallowed the configuration management functional output pill, so it really didn't matter
[21:34:42] <KungFuJesus> not that IPS is anything special, it's just python based, but what was in OpenSXCE seemed a bit too loosey goosey
[21:35:26] <ptribble> Nope. You're supposed to use overlays (package groups) that are built to be correct dependency-wise
[21:35:46] <copec> If you are approaching something from a keep consistent, carefully upgrade sysadmin perspective it makes perfect sense. The whole devops thing kind of rolled over IPS though
[21:36:00] <KungFuJesus> ptribble: Maybe I'll try your distro on my Sun Fire V440 :-p
[21:36:15] <KungFuJesus> My T5120 is running Oracle Solaris 11
[21:36:26] <ptribble> Hm. What network card does that V440 have?
[21:36:44] <copec> Were any of the Sun pizza boxes with the big tritrons modern enough for tribblix?
[21:36:47] <KungFuJesus> nge, I think? It
[21:36:52] <KungFuJesus> 's been ages since I've booted it
[21:37:02] <KungFuJesus> it was running OpenSXCE at one point
[21:37:42] <ptribble> I'm hoping to get a new SPARC release out soon that might actually be usable
[21:40:12] <tsoome> ptribble: 2x ce
[21:40:45] <tsoome> our favorite. Garrett will finally have chance to write the driver:D
[21:41:09] <ptribble> that's sort of what I thought
[21:41:33] <tsoome> fortunately pci cards can fix it
[21:41:36] <ptribble> Tribblix has never had a ce driver
[21:42:26] <Agnar> I have a bunch of PCIe e1000g cards for sparcies in need *)
[21:42:57] <Agnar> *) need: you are activly developing illumos on sparc and have no other available NICs
[21:43:01] <KungFuJesus> I'll have to look again, I don't recall exactly which NIC is in there
[21:43:38] <KungFuJesus> it worked in OpenSXCE, though, so one might hope that it's in illumos-gate
[21:44:26] <ptribble> No, ce was closed source, never been in the gate, isn't in the closed binary bits either
[21:45:05] <tsoome> the driver was eol’d if my memory serves
[21:45:30] <tsoome> solaris 9-10 release notes should note that
[21:47:07] <Agnar> ptribble: I have some qfe cards for the v440
[21:47:16] <Agnar> ptribble: if you want
[21:48:20] <ptribble> I think I might have a qfe in store; don't personally have a use for it (nearly used it in the SB1500 because our bge driver is also busted, but I have a workaround which solved that)
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[21:54:32] <Agnar> ptribble: if not, let me know, happy to ship you some
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[22:01:00] <KungFuJesus> which vendor is ce? Sun?
[22:01:08] <Agnar> yes
[22:01:22] <Agnar> Cassini Ethernet
[22:01:37] <KungFuJesus> Hmm, that might be a fun weekend project. Is that what's in the Sun Fire V440?
[22:01:46] <Agnar> yes
[22:02:08] <Agnar> the ce was quiete common as onboard gigabit ethernet
[22:03:04] <KungFuJesus> Might be fun to go spelunking in the FreeBSD sources to get an idea of how to write a driver for it
[22:04:21] <jbk> we have the programming guide for it
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[22:04:39] <jbk> i even started work on an open source replacement back in the day
[22:04:48] <KungFuJesus> is "cfe" 100mbps variant?
[22:04:53] <jbk> except i was pretty much told 'this will _never_ make it into opensolaris'
[22:05:00] <jbk> because internal sun politics
[22:05:13] <jbk> and then it was old enough to not really be worth the effort
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[22:05:36] <KungFuJesus> driver's about 13 years old, but it's enough of a start: https://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/head/sys/dev/ce/
[22:07:10] <ptribble> Back to CDE in OpenIndiana, that was blocked by the OI Motif version
[22:07:29] <KungFuJesus> I think the open version works with openMotif, doesn't it?
[22:07:38] <despair86> > CDE
[22:07:53] <despair86> i simply couldn't get it to compile with GCC or clang
[22:07:59] <ptribble> OI ships the old Motif 2.1, for some old compatibility reason
[22:08:04] <Agnar> KungFuJesus: Solaris CDE had a lot of patches which never made it into OpenCDE
[22:08:26] <Agnar> also a lot of CDE applications will be missing
[22:08:37] <KungFuJesus> I think it's a worthwhile effort to make it work with the open variant rather than using the ancient closed sourced binary, isn't it?
[22:08:41] <Agnar> and as ptribble says, Motif is also incompatible
[22:08:55] <despair86> the imake build system still had a bunch of sun studio flags, and even made use of studio 4.x name decorations (!!!)
[22:09:09] <despair86> the -compat=4 and friends
[22:09:16] <Agnar> it's easier to take the sol10 cde packages and install them on OI ;)
[22:09:34] <ptribble> So you need a recent open motif, but current CDE should build if you just change cc to gcc in Makefile.ini
[22:09:38] <KungFuJesus> was there ever an x86 package for it?
[22:10:36] <KungFuJesus> it compiled for me on Debian for a dumpster quality B&W Powermac G3, hah
[22:10:58] <despair86> ptribble: really? couldn't get it do so as recently as march this year or so
[22:11:37] <ptribble> The bulk of the "port" of the open CDE to illumos was to stop it thinking that "SunOS" meant that it was still 1996 and the compiler of choice was sunpro v2
[22:11:45] <despair86> ah ofc
[22:12:01] <despair86> also, does anyone know if xview's olvwm (the open source version) supported multi monitors? CDE doesn't
[22:12:33] <ptribble> Anything since CDE 2.2.1 ought to just work (assuming you have a compatible motif)
[22:12:48] <Agnar> despair86: just use Xinerama
[22:12:55] <KungFuJesus> I noticed many of the CDE native applications did lack things like mouse scroll wheel support, that was sort of a bummer
[22:13:11] <despair86> Agnar: i use randr
[22:13:25] <Agnar> despair86: too new for CDE/OpenLook
[22:13:56] <KungFuJesus> weird for them to pick SF for the project's home, but it's getting pretty frequent updates it seems: https://sourceforge.net/projects/cdesktopenv/
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[22:16:30] <ptribble> Hm. At least some of the dt applications have scroll wheel support
[22:16:54] <KungFuJesus> They didn't initially, with the very early, just opened variant I had tried. This was at least 2 years ago, though
[22:17:08] <ptribble> I think we have a CDE release just around the corner, as well
[22:17:09] <KungFuJesus> I also remember having to do something weird so that it could leverage the RPC subsystem
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[22:20:07] <despair86> if anyone has a copy of the xview sources around ping me, the version i dug up a while back was intended for SunOS 4.1 (wtf)
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[22:22:24] <KungFuJesus> whoops, that driver I linked to earlier was wrong. This is FreeBSD's driver: https://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/head/sys/dev/cas/if_cas.c?revision=338948&view=markup
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[22:34:29] <KungFuJesus> man why is fmdump's man page so out of date with the actual command?
[22:34:40] <jlevon> no-one fixed it?
[22:34:46] <KungFuJesus> nowhere is the -i or -I parameter documented
[22:35:00] <jlevon> that might be intentional
[22:35:08] <KungFuJesus> why's that?
[22:35:29] <jlevon> sometimes if it's a private interface (not stable) it doesn't get docs
[22:35:33] <jlevon> dunno about that specific option
[22:35:56] <KungFuJesus> it's telling me what this random mystery entry has been in fmd this whole time: resource.sysevent.EC_zfs.ESC_ZFS_history_event
[22:36:21] <KungFuJesus> which, finding documentation for exactly what that is and why it's being logged to fmd is...damn near impossible
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[22:37:11] <KungFuJesus> Why is that being written to the infolog?
[22:40:29] <KungFuJesus> ohh, ok, I can kind of see why it's considered high value, though not fault management: https://www.illumos.org/issues/6939
[22:41:57] <KungFuJesus> having an entry there whenever a dataset is destroyed or a property changed might be something useful to have, especially from an "oh shit, where's the data?" perspective
[22:42:09] <KungFuJesus> especially one that survives a zpool destroy
[22:43:07] <KungFuJesus> and one that can, potentially, outlive the zpool history limitation
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[22:46:01] <KungFuJesus> I don't see why you wouldn't want to document the fmdump -I and -i parameters, though, they do seem to be just as useful as the -e one
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[22:51:13] <KungFuJesus> https://www.illumos.org/issues/11745
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[22:52:05] <Reinhilde> how intertwined is smf with illumos and svr4
[22:54:24] <jlevon> illumos, heavily, svr4 not
[22:55:05] <KungFuJesus> if you're referring to svr4 based init - I do recall some sort of SMF auto-wrapping for rc init scripts once upon a time
[22:55:30] <KungFuJesus> I think I remember it happening with exactly one service - APC's ups daemon
[22:55:38] <jlevon> there's a bit but not a big deal
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[22:57:20] <ptribble> It's a bit oddball, but you can build a running illumos system without SMF
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[22:59:19] <Reinhilde> jlevon: well i mean it's intertwined with an svr4 based kernel
[22:59:28] <Reinhilde> ptribble: wew
[23:00:04] <jlevon> the svr4 part is not a deal, it's all the newer stuff like ctfs
[23:00:31] <Reinhilde> ah
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[23:13:42] <jbk> and tehre are some things that explicitly link against libscf
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