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[00:16:23] <yuripv> jlevon: something is not well with your mx? "454 TLS currently unavailable"
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[00:17:09] <yuripv> (that is gmail telling me it couldn't deliver)
[00:18:27] <jlevon> hmm you got it too?
[00:20:21] <jlevon> ugh perm problems
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[00:23:50] <jlevon> fixed I hope
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[02:29:28] <perlgod> i'm a late convert to illumos and im downloading a package from sfe.opencsw.org IPS repo and its currently transferring at 11kb/s
[02:29:40] <perlgod> do most people just use joyents pkgin?
[02:41:34] <Ellenor> i normally use the pkgsrc tree
[02:52:57] <perlgod> im leaning that way now. i installed OmniOS on this server but now think i should have just gone with OI
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[03:11:31] <perlgod> though i guess the benefit of using IPS with omnios is in the disk space saved with sparse/lipkg zones
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[07:20:09] <LeftWing_> perlgod: I've been using OmniOS + pkgsrc for a few things lately and I've been having a reasonable experience personally. I was using SmartOS zones (which include pkgsrc obviously) before for just about everything
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[08:28:36] <tsoome> I think compressed zone roots are more useful than sparse zones :)
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[09:11:23] <LeftWing_> Why not both!
[09:14:37] <sjorge> Did LeftWing frow a _
[09:16:03] <Reinhilde> ___
[09:16:06] <Reinhilde> sjorge: yes they did
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[09:34:28] <sjorge> So a right wing and we'll have a full bird? :p
[09:54:09] <Reinhilde> Fucking fuck.
[09:54:26] <Reinhilde> I need the streams edition omelette
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[10:21:12] <andyf> LeftWing_ - in the SmartOS model of putting everything in a zone, why not use OmniOS' pkgsrc zones?
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[10:36:30] <wilbury> someone at eurobsdcon?
[10:46:05] * sjorge raises hand
[10:46:09] <sjorge> drscream is here too
[10:47:21] <drscream> here here here :-D
[10:51:57] <wilbury> sjorge: oh yes, we've met yesterday and on friday :-P
[10:52:08] <Reinhilde> andyf: too many zones!
[10:52:11] <sjorge> Oh, I'm super bad with names :( sorry
[10:52:28] <drscream> wilbury: do you already got stickers? :p
[10:52:28] <wilbury> and drscream... omg, we're sitting next to each other! :-D :-D
[10:52:45] <wilbury> drscream: sure!
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[12:06:46] <sjorge> Our ZFS has MMP now too right
[12:13:02] <Reinhilde> MMP?
[12:13:38] <perlgod> yep i should just use pkgsrc zones. i have one box hosting a bunch of network infrastructure stuff (dns, ntp, dhcp...) running Omios and vanilla lipkg zones currently
[12:13:49] <perlgod> was gonna use smartos as my hypervisor for applications
[12:14:14] <andyf> Reinhilde - http://open-zfs.org/w/images/d/d9/05-MMP-openzfs-2017.4.pdf
[12:17:08] <wilbury> Reinhilde: multimap protection. a.k.a. multi import protection
[12:17:11] <andyf> sjorge - https://www.illumos.org/issues/10499 - looks like it
[12:18:01] <andyf> sjorge - but I think it is more about trying to catch up with OpenZFS rather than supporting MMP - I have not heard of anyone testing it
[12:18:19] <andyf> sjorge - getting the codebases back to fairly similar is the aim as it will make the future easier
[12:19:16] <perlgod> am i shooting myself in the foot by devoting time to this "dying" family of operating systems? my career is Linux but this is the only OS that feels like it wasnt designed by teenagers
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[12:20:05] <perlgod> i talk about solaris and get ridiculed by the linux admins...."just give up! its over!"
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[12:47:07] <psydroid> maybe because they are feeling insecure and know it's not over?
[13:02:02] <perlgod> That’s what ill tell myself
[13:02:12] <perlgod> Crossbow really sealed the deal for me
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[13:32:01] <sjorge> Talk about illumos instead :)
[13:32:28] <sjorge> We've devirged a bit from solaris
[13:32:48] <sjorge> @andyf ack,no jbod array to test it on unfortunately
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[15:20:33] <toasterson> Hello everyone. The developers from the javascript engine duktape have asked for support in cleaning up their illumos and solaris support. I have opened https://github.com/svaarala/duktape/issues/2181 to help coordinate the effort. Could I ask alanc and maybe richlowe to chip in on this? This would allow consumers like Zabbix 4.2 and gerbera (https://gerbera.io/) to rely on proper illumos and solaris support.
[15:20:49] <toasterson> Other are welcome to chip in aswell of course.
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[17:28:20] <copec> perlgod I'm on the same boat, although I came over in 2010 or so. It is a tiny community relatively speaking, but very persistent.
[17:31:01] <copec> Not dying, although it can give that impression just because the community is relatively small.
[17:36:13] <psydroid> I have Openindiana installed on one of my older AMD desktops, but I am not sure about its status on newer Intel and AMD platforms
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[17:38:43] <eau> re
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[18:52:41] <LeftWing_> perlgod: People say OpenBSD is dying all the time, too, but they're doing alright. I'd just avoid calling any of this Solaris (because at this point it really isn't) and you'll likely have an easier time.
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[20:00:48] <sjorge> exactly my thought, I use illumos not Solaris (or Illumos)
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[20:37:03] <perlgod> thanks yall. i will try to be more accurate in terminology
[20:37:51] <perlgod> im currently about halfway through The OpenSolaris Bible, which though outdated is pretty much the only book i could find
[20:38:30] <perlgod> only resources are kinda scarce, oracle has the best documentation by far. half the blog posts and webpages i find that arent oracle are broken links
[20:38:55] <perlgod> hope oracle keeps them around for awhile after they sunset
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[21:29:55] <sjorge> Our man pages are also very good IMHO, the examples section is always a good starting point
[21:30:02] <sjorge> https://illumos.org/man if you want to read em online instead of in a terminak
[21:30:37] <sjorge> There are more advance stuff generally, https://illumos.org/books/ but there are also some good online books
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[22:31:26] <despair86> hi
[22:31:42] <despair86> anyone from openindiana round here, their IRC is all idlers
[22:32:26] <despair86> libspeex/libspeexdsp is broken, bombs in cexp
[22:33:31] <despair86> https://spit.mixtape.moe/view/202d06fa#jCKn4AXivCpO0Gnph9HqUonj7TX75myQ
[22:33:46] <despair86> (do not delete the anchor, this is the paste key)
[22:34:36] <despair86> only happens if i go to /dev/dsp directly, going through pulse work fine
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[22:35:58] <toasterson> despair86 (IRC): Yes some ar around.
[22:36:21] <toasterson> are you using OSS instead of pulse when this happens?
[22:36:53] <toasterson> libspeexdsp is a third party library it may not know about our sound system properly
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[22:39:25] <toasterson> side note are you compiling the application that fails? it uses the 32bit version
[22:40:14] <toasterson> do usr/bin/amd64/speexenc and usr/bin/amd64/speexdec work for you?
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[22:40:46] <stevenw99> Hi, how can I check to make sure multithreading is enabled? I'm getting a message saying the system has 40 cores but only 20 are enabled saying set boot_ncpus to change it (but mdb reports 40)
[22:41:12] <stevenw99> The physical processor has 10 virtual processors (0-9)
[22:41:12] <stevenw99> x86 (GenuineIntel 306E4 family 6 model 62 step 4 clock 2800 MHz)
[22:41:12] <stevenw99> Intel(r) Xeon(r) CPU E5-2680 v2 @ 2.80GHz
[22:41:12] <stevenw99> The physical processor has 10 virtual processors (10-19)
[22:41:12] <stevenw99> x86 (GenuineIntel 306E4 family 6 model 62 step 4 clock 2800 MHz)
[22:41:13] <despair86> toasterson: yes
[22:41:13] <stevenw99> Intel(r) Xeon(r) CPU E5-2680 v2 @ 2.80GHz
[22:41:24] <stevenw99> Xeon 2680v2
[22:41:36] <stevenw99> dell poweredge c6220 II
[22:42:36] <toasterson> despair86 (IRC): what application is failing for you?
[22:43:42] <despair86> a self-compiled mumble with studio (i haven't switched to the qt5 in userland yet because mumble didn't support qt5 at the time)
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[22:49:53] <RightWing> sjorge: :DDDDD
[22:50:27] <RightWing> >So a right wing and we'll have a full bird? :p
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[22:52:59] <toasterson> despair86 (IRC): hmmm with sunstudio? Does mumble not yet support gcc?
[22:53:21] <RightWing> it *does* now, and i just upgraded
[22:53:24] * RightWing shrugs
[22:53:39] <RightWing> v1.3 came out last week after a two year hiatus
[22:54:15] <toasterson> Did somebody from mumbel tell you speex was broken? if the simple binaries from libspeex are working then mumble could be a problem.
[22:54:33] <RightWing> ah ok i'll take a look
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