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[00:00:00] <igork> i use 4g swap with 16GB RAM and mpre
[00:00:03] <igork> *more
[00:00:34] <igork> but if you have kvm vm - will be better to use much swap - based on RAM of vm
[00:00:56] <igork> for example: if yuo want/need run vm with 8GB RAM - try to use 8GB swap
[00:01:24] <Reinhilde> RAM of the VM should be no bigger than physical RAM - 2GB
[00:01:34] <Reinhilde> so, if phys ram is 2gb, no VMs
[00:01:38] <Reinhilde> 4gb, up to 2gb
[00:01:55] <igork> with 2GB RAM - you can use 1GB RAM for vm
[00:02:18] <richlowe> I don't see how any of this is relevant
[00:02:23] <igork> 1GB RAM is enough for zfs
[00:02:54] <igork> but all depend on usecases
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[00:03:41] <igork> but i have no hosts with less 32GB RAM
[00:03:45] <Cthulhux> still cannot reach from outside
[00:04:09] <igork> Cthulhux: what is your network adapter?
[00:04:20] <igork> what is your disk controller?
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[00:04:23] <Cthulhux> i tried e1000 and virtio
[00:04:27] <Cthulhux> both not working
[00:04:32] <igork> you have vm ?
[00:04:44] <igork> what is host?
[00:04:45] <Cthulhux> yup
[00:04:47] <Cthulhux> netcup
[00:04:56] <Cthulhux> oh,.. kvm afaik
[00:05:03] <igork> linux?
[00:05:11] <Cthulhux> probably
[00:05:46] <Cthulhux> the same range of servers makes no problem with several freebsds and one openbsd, regardless of the config
[00:05:52] <Cthulhux> so something's fishy with my omnios :)
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[00:06:49] <igork> oh, sorry, i have no ideas, i didn't test dilos as kvm vm a long time
[00:06:59] <Cthulhux> :(
[00:07:04] <igork> virtio framework was changed
[00:07:24] <igork> i tried to test it and can't setup mtu=9000
[00:07:41] <igork> as kvm vm and bhyve
[00:07:57] <igork> mtu=1500 not interest to me
[00:08:49] <richlowe> oh, I guess none of it _is_ relevant.
[00:08:51] <richlowe> sigh.
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[02:59:52] <LeftWing> igork: Have you filed a bug? Have you checked if the hypervisor is negotiating the VIRTIO_NET_F_MTU feature, and if so, what value it's providing?
[03:02:53] <igork> LeftWing: i tried dilos kvm vm on dilos host , dilos kvm vm on smartos host
[03:03:04] <igork> i have no filed bug report
[03:03:17] <igork> also i tried dilos bhyve vm on dilos host
[03:03:44] <igork> and dilos bhyve vm on smartos host - i'm not able setup mtu=9000 on vm
[03:03:57] <igork> but it was working as well before virtio updates
[03:04:39] <LeftWing> Have you checked if the hypervisor is negotiating the VIRTIO_NET_F_MTU feature, and if so, what value it's providing?
[03:04:55] <igork> i didn't check feature
[03:06:10] <igork> i have no access to test hosts right now, sorry.
[03:06:22] <igork> LeftWing: can you confirm mtu=9000 on your env?
[03:06:38] <igork> are you able setup mtu=9000 on vioif
[03:06:40] <LeftWing> I don't have an environment with large frames
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[07:55:19] <tsoome> this reminds me…
[07:57:41] <tsoome> 11470 & 11471 are still on air.
[08:17:42] <Reinhilde> i didn't know bhyve was on illumos now
[08:18:33] <Reinhilde> bsd and illumos are basically swimming in the same pool nowadays
[08:20:19] <tsoome> thats the only way to survivie
[08:20:51] <Reinhilde> tsoome: why, if both projects are... dare I say, a shade incestuous?
[08:21:08] <tsoome> there is always need for developers
[08:21:12] <Reinhilde> yeah
[08:21:34] <tsoome> and if you can share the knowledge, it is win-win for all
[08:22:30] <tsoome> which is why I dislike gnu - they are speaking of freedom and sharing but all they really do is building another closed camp.
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[18:42:15] <jbk> heh..
[18:43:10] <jbk> a bit of a side project i've been working on is adding support for the new rust mangling scheme to our demangling library.. unfortunately the rust rfc that describes it omits some apparently details
[18:43:15] <jbk> when i asked about clarification
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[18:43:42] <jbk> the answer was 'you should just use libiberty, we don't need multiple implementations floating around'
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[18:54:56] <andyf> Oh dear...
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[19:08:04] <mnowak_> I noticed this tendency for new things to be designed specifically for GNU/Linux. and I don't blame their designers for that, they grew using GNU/Linux, that's what they know
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[19:40:23] <tsoome> fortunately you can just ignore such answers:)
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[19:49:54] <jbk> it looks like both the rust native and the libiberty rust demanglers were largely written at the same time (or the C is a port of the rust one), which i think was largely written at the same time as the support for the new mangling scheme was added to rust
[19:50:23] <jbk> and having an independent implementation is probably good in that it's exposing ambiguities or gaps in the spec
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[19:51:00] <jbk> which is probably a good thing
[19:52:03] <jbk> I've seen at least a few instances where certain versions of g++ produced invalid mangled names
[19:52:14] <jbk> that libiberty demangled, but nothing else could
[19:52:18] <jbk> and were not part of the spec
[19:52:58] <jbk> which you can imagine the linking issues that could cause
[20:09:39] <tsoome> jlevon: ping
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[21:43:59] <Reinhilde> should my blog be called "pemmican and illumos"
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[22:31:04] <richlowe> does anyone remember the address for the alias of illumos.org admins?
[22:31:13] <richlowe> yes, it's embarrassing I am one at the moment and do not.
[22:34:53] <Reinhilde> does a single user on a desktop machine count as an admin if they do a lot at the shell
[22:40:46] <Reinhilde> btw what would cause gdb not to compile on illumos?
[22:44:58] <richlowe> it tries to use largefile when built 32bit, and you can't use procfs in a largefile environment
[22:45:06] <richlowe> the easiest solution is to build build a 64bit gdb.
[22:46:30] <Reinhilde> richlowe: that's exactly what I am doing, and I have a much different problem.
[22:46:35] <Reinhilde> 'SYS_uuidsys" not defined
[22:47:45] <richlowe> that's it thinking that this is Oracle solaris when it is not.
[22:48:12] <richlowe> which shouldn't happen with stock gdb, at least as of 8.3
[22:48:28] <richlowe> several distributions mistakenly applied patches that may cause it, though.
[22:48:35] <Reinhilde> so I should bother pkgsrc about their out of date gdb
[22:50:39] <richlowe> I suppose so. It's ifdef guarded in 8.3
[22:51:05] <richlowe> you could patch the (horribly messy) proc-events.c, too
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[23:11:25] <despair86> > bsd
[23:11:51] <despair86> ah yes illumos leans back towards sun os 4.x :^)
[23:15:09] <Reinhilde> despair86: ?
[23:15:30] <Reinhilde> would you say illumos seems more bsd than it used to?
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[23:17:47] <Reinhilde> So if SunOS 5 is the son of System 5 release 4, is illumos the grandson of SVR4?
[23:22:45] <richlowe> the interelation of everything is way more complex than that, but yes.
[23:24:06] <richlowe> once you get to the commercial unix wars, and everyone licensing crap from eachother/arguing with eachother, you lose basically any kind of linear relationship on the non-BSD side
[23:25:01] <richlowe> if you look at copyrights in our source, and add in that there was at least IBM and probably OSF/1 stuff in the closed source, there's basically a bit of everything in here somewhere
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[23:37:30] <despair86> reinhilde: it was a snippy response to the modern collaboration between UCB UNIX devs and snv_151a
[23:38:07] <despair86> >bsd and illumos are basically swimming in the same pool nowadays
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[23:38:35] <Reinhilde> "UCB UNIX"
[23:38:39] <Reinhilde> "snv_151a"
[23:38:41] <Reinhilde> what?
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[23:40:19] <despair86> bsd and illumos ofc
[23:40:33] <Reinhilde> despair86: do you have two clients
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[23:41:06] <despair86> yeah i just quit one to launch the other, i have three boxes hooked up to a KVM, one was on windows, this one is unix
[23:41:11] <Reinhilde> what the what
[23:42:30] <despair86> you can't be logged into freenode from more than one device, so i quit irc on my windows box to run irc on this one
[23:44:18] <Reinhilde> that's not true
[23:44:27] <Reinhilde> you absolutely can be logged into freenode from more than one device
[23:44:29] <Reinhilde> i do it all the time
[23:44:38] <Reinhilde> also, now gdb is failing somewhere fucking else.
[23:45:51] <despair86> oh, but not as the same user, etc. there's a bunch of rooms here that only work if you are logged in
[23:46:26] <Reinhilde> despair86: yes, you can be logged in as the same nickserv account from two devices
[23:46:30] <Reinhilde> you just cannot have the same nickname
[23:46:52] <despair86> _exactly_, and that's the one i use to gain access _to_ locked rooms
[23:48:10] <Reinhilde> despair86: you're being delusional.
[23:48:10] <despair86> ohh
[23:48:30] <Reinhilde> you can be despair86 on one device, and despair64 on the other, and on despair64 you can /msg nickserv@services. identify despair86 yourpassword
[23:48:41] <Reinhilde> and then, you can join anything that despair86 can.
[23:48:41] <despair86> i haven't used IRC in a while because all my friends moved to web-chat systems :(
[23:48:45] <Reinhilde> lel.
[23:50:35] <Reinhilde> if there are so many gdb users here, why am I getting this undefined symbol error trying to compile it: mempcpy config/tc-i386.o
[23:51:37] <despair86> that....is probably in libiberty
[23:51:46] <despair86> because it certainly isn't in solaris
[23:52:06] <despair86> it's either BSD or linux/glibc-specific
[23:52:39] <Reinhilde> despair86: yes, it's in libiberty
[23:57:29] <richlowe> I built gdb 8.3 with the solaris-userland patches (with the silly broken bits removed), yesterday.
[23:57:42] <richlowe> well, many of the silly broken bits, now I check th log
[23:57:54] <Reinhilde> ah
[23:58:15] <richlowe> I don't see changes about mempcpy
[23:58:32] <richlowe> I'm pretty sure I pushed the bits I was using to richlowe/binutils-gdb on an il-8_3 branch or something like that.
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