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[01:27:59] <LeftWing> You've got the /devices name there too
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[04:02:57] <AmyMalik> What would cause terminal scrambulation (incomplete drawing) when scrolling quickly in GNU nano inside a tmux on illumos ssh'd into from an xterm in freebsd but not when scrolling quickly in GNU nano inside a tmux on freebsd ssh'd into from an xterm on freebsd?
[04:03:03] <AmyMalik> I apologise for the convoluted wording
[04:03:51] <AmyMalik> v/= Lessa
[04:03:53] <AmyMalik> whups
[04:08:53] <jbk> it would probably help to try to test to figure out if it can be recreated in a simpler setup
[04:09:54] <AmyMalik> jbk: It cannot be recreated ssh'ing from an xterm on freebsd, if tmux is not in use, but GNU nano is
[04:10:06] <AmyMalik> There's something about Tmux that's doing it
[04:11:00] <AmyMalik> But if I use the same stack on freebsd, everything scrolls just fine
[04:16:06] <AmyMalik> jbk: Shall I give you a shell account on my box so you can have a look-see?
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[11:11:07] <tsoome> igork: iostat -En sd219
[11:12:04] <tsoome> AmyMalik: sounds like termio/curses bug.
[11:12:40] <AmyMalik> tsoome: I assume I would debug this by recompiling nano against a different curses?
[11:12:50] <AmyMalik> well, not debug
[11:12:54] <AmyMalik> but to deduce
[11:13:08] <tsoome> thats one thing.
[11:14:15] <AmyMalik> sometimes i say more than i mean
[11:14:27] <tsoome> the question also is, is it caused by something happening where the data for screen is generated (at client host) or where the data is actually displayed (terminal)
[11:14:50] <tsoome> in other words, is the bug in terminal or in client...
[11:15:30] <AmyMalik> tsoome: the combination of tmux with nano, whether over ssh or mosh, works on freebsd
[11:16:07] <tsoome> the client is generating the esc sequences to tell terminal what to do, but terminal is the one who is drawing the screen.
[11:16:30] <AmyMalik> is that by analogy to an X11 client?
[11:16:34] <tsoome> yes
[11:16:41] <AmyMalik> not a client.
[11:16:49] <AmyMalik> say "the end program"
[11:17:01] <AmyMalik> which in this case is gnu nano
[11:17:11] <tsoome> this is why it is important for terminal application to have TERM type correct
[11:17:17] <AmyMalik> I think illumos' brain just isn't clogged with enough GNU crap for GNU nano to work in Special Cases :-)
[11:19:13] <tsoome> if you have xterm, your TERM variable in client should be set accordingly. however, with friends like screen and tmux, the screen/tmux will generate TERM setup for terminal app and should translate those to sequences for your actual terminal.
[11:19:15] <AmyMalik> tsoome: last i checked, pterm (from PuTTY) emulates a terminal substantially similar to xterm. xterm is then what tmux thinks it is dealing with. This works fine on FreeBSD. Is it possible that xterm on FreeBSD is not akin to xterm on solaris, and so somehow tmux gets confused?
[11:19:36] <tsoome> This is because you can detach your session and re-attach from different type of terminal
[11:19:55] <AmyMalik> yes, I know how tmux works in that sense
[11:19:59] <AmyMalik> this isn't unix kindergarten
[11:20:17] <tsoome> with putty your default probably is xterm (but it also can be vt220, vt100, vt52)
[11:20:57] <AmyMalik> this is pterm, which i assume is the putty terminal emulator, refactored into a program that'll compile on unix
[11:21:14] <AmyMalik> i know that it's released by the same coders.
[11:21:22] <AmyMalik> I may be completely delusional.
[11:21:34] <AmyMalik> should I try an Actual Freaking XTerm
[11:23:38] <tsoome> If you really want to get to the core of the issue, you should intercept and verify output what is produced by client app and the input what terminal does receive. and see if the sequences are valid for that type of the terminal (emulator).
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[16:03:17] <debdrup> rmustacc: is that videos title a reference to the video with Brendan Gregg from back in the Fishworks years? :)
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[17:23:28] <rmustacc> debdrup: You'll have to ask arekinath. He did all the filming and titling. Honeslty, it was a long while back so I don't remember.
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[22:01:34] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 11652 Remove unused archive library rules from cmd/sgs -- Richard Lowe <richlowe at richlowe dot net>
[22:01:35] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 11653 tools/make/bin/Makefile has an invalid and unused variable substitution -- Richard Lowe <richlowe at richlowe dot net>
[22:01:36] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 11654 libipmi/Makefile.com has an invalid and unused variable substitution -- Richard Lowe <richlowe at richlowe dot net>
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[23:30:56] * AmyMalik catches fire
[23:35:42] <AmyMalik> https://umbrellix.net/~ellenor/credibilitygap.png
[23:37:37] <rmustacc> SCTP is supported, but I would recommend disabling it in whatever config options you have.
[23:38:39] <AmyMalik> rmustacc: this is the default motd of an IRCd I wrote
[23:38:46] <AmyMalik> but that display is garbled
[23:38:50] <AmyMalik> the content is not important
[23:38:54] <AmyMalik> the garblement of it is.
[23:39:27] <AmyMalik> i assume this is my fault or something
[23:40:37] <AmyMalik> rmustacc: sorry about that
[23:42:03] <AmyMalik> this looks like a tmux or nano bug
[23:51:37] <AmyMalik> for what it's worth, i just tested it on openbsd and the issue is not there
[23:55:46] <AmyMalik> Ok this is surreal. It works just fine if I tell it my term is a vt100
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