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[01:14:01] <richlowe> the best bit about bh/defcon/etc, is the imaginged glee in alanc's retweets
[01:17:58] <alanc> you don't enjoy seeing you-know-who retweet them with "And this is why everyone should buy SPARC"?
[01:19:34] <rmustacc> Was SPARC actually analyzed for Spectre V1/2?
[01:19:55] <alanc> yes
[01:20:17] <rmustacc> How'd it turn out?
[01:20:39] <alanc> OS patches published for V1, firmware patches for V2
[01:20:51] <richlowe> more fun for ptribble!
[01:20:53] <rmustacc> Gotcha. OK.
[01:22:07] <rmustacc> Well, at least it doesn't have a %gs to worry about!
[01:22:30] <alanc> SPARC avoided Meltdown, as well as much of the later fun (L1TF, MDS, etc.)
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[01:22:44] <rmustacc> Well, those make a lot more sense to avoid.
[01:23:17] <rmustacc> If it had managed to pull off an L1TF or say today's %gs fun, I'd be a bit more worried.
[01:24:03] <rmustacc> And by %gs I mean https://www.bitdefender.com/business/swapgs-attack.html
[01:24:38] <alanc> yeah, though it's sad they are requiring you sign up for marketing spam to get their whitepapers
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[01:25:35] <alanc> I suspect my retweet of the swapgs link is what started this conversation
[01:25:39] <rmustacc> Ah.
[01:25:49] <rmustacc> Do you need more information regarding it?
[01:26:40] <alanc> I was interested in their official writeup to see how it compares to the information we had under embargo
[01:26:53] <rmustacc> OK.
[01:33:20] <richlowe> speculating swapgs just gives me the creeps anyway.
[01:34:13] <rmustacc> richlowe: Well, the issue isn't always that.
[01:34:22] <rmustacc> It's also the fact that you have a jump over the swapgs.
[01:34:48] <rmustacc> Though there are more issues to.
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[02:04:35] <domag02> hi!
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[02:55:46] <richlowe> alanc: wow, you're on a roll
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[03:09:46] <alanc> and I didn't even retweet https://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/795384/19c8bfe31f75da79/ to really blow your mind
[03:10:42] <alanc> which is somewhat amusing given that our plan of record for several years was to dump CTF and move to DWARF instead
[03:12:06] <richlowe> the ctf-in-binutils already ruined my day in some gdb spelunking
[03:12:32] <richlowe> but why would they do that when linux already just tars up all its own headers and puts it in sysfs!?
[03:12:33] <richlowe> :)
[03:12:35] <alanc> (well, I didn't retweet it from my @alanc account, just the @opensolaris account)
[03:13:03] <alanc> I'm not sure I wanted to know that about sysfs
[03:13:48] <richlowe> https://www.linuxjournal.com/content/extending-kernel-built-kernel-headers
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[03:27:44] <domag02> Can I reach out Joshua M. Clulow on IRC? Indexes on src.illumos.org are outdated (Bug#10949 again).
[03:28:38] <richlowe> LeftWing:
[03:30:19] <domag02> richlowe: Thanks.
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[05:00:46] <LeftWing> alanc: That article makes a good effort at avoiding mention of illumos!
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[05:16:08] <domag02> LeftWing: Hi! Could you help me, please?
[05:16:58] <richlowe> and when you're done, look at the awesome thing I linked last night :)
[05:36:00] <LeftWing> domag02: I'll take a look at the opengrok indexes a bit later on!
[05:36:18] <LeftWing> In the mean time, I apologise for the inconvenience.
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[12:35:25] <MarcelT> opengrok at src.illumos.org is not updated for about a month now
[12:48:31] <sjorge> Ah the @opensolaris is you @alenc! I always wondered who ran it
[13:08:42] <wilbury> oh
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[16:12:28] <leoric> what can possibly go wrong if we make cc->gcc link? ;)
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[16:18:50] <ptribble> Plenty of things go "cc - must be Studio"
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[16:28:59] <leoric> 1) I bet we mostly everywhere use $CC in oi-userland anyway; 2) nobody should be using studio (as it's an extinct dinosaur); 3) we could identify what is using it this way, adding some wrapper and running userland builds
[16:30:29] <leoric> but yes, corner cases can be interesting
[16:31:31] <domag02> leoric: are you mean cw(1ONBLD)? https://illumos.org/man/1onbld/cw
[16:31:41] <leoric> no, I mean cc
[16:35:41] <jimklimov1> leoric: I'd then suggest a cc => ccache => gcc link ;p
[16:36:25] <leoric> do you know an OS which does this? ;)
[16:37:06] <jimklimov1> we're first in many things ;)
[16:37:21] <jimklimov1> should do stuff to stay ahead of the pack :)
[16:38:45] <jimklimov1> although in reality, I think the current approach suffices, many configure scripts etc. assume the ccache support to be present via /usr/lib*/ccache having symlinks (gcc-like names pointing to /usr/bin/ccache)
[16:41:34] <igork> /usr can be readonly. much mode better move it to /var/*
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[16:50:25] <jimklimov1> it is a package, right? packages go to /usr :)
[16:50:39] <jimklimov1> ccache symlinks are package actions
[16:50:44] <jimklimov1> in IPS terms
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[18:26:26] <richlowe> MarcelT: LeftWing was going to fix that when he had a moment
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[18:29:14] <jlevon> richlowe: BTW I started playing with separating out -Wno-maybe-uninitialized. looks pretty easy for uts at least
[18:34:15] <richlowe> awesome
[18:34:32] <richlowe> jlevon: I was wanting -- in at least uts -- to switch at least the important disabling to pragmas too
[18:34:47] <richlowe> further effort to stop it getting worse
[18:35:28] <jlevon> richlowe: gulp
[18:35:50] <richlowe> well, you can automate the transition -- I think
[18:36:06] <richlowe> but at least for the really scary warnings in the really important places, it'd be worth it
[18:36:29] <richlowe> (to automate, re-enable the warning, pull the line-numbers from the message and insert the push/pop around it. Refine by and)
[18:36:47] <jlevon> might make sense for the worst yeah.
[18:37:39] <richlowe> to be honest, if it was so noisy as to be a problem that's terrible and we deserve it.
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[18:40:31] <jlevon> anyone recall a build race thing with doing debug then non-debug in one build?
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[18:42:32] <richlowe> "build race thing" is not particularly specific
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[18:44:32] <richlowe> do you mean something where we don't notice a rebuild is needed?
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[18:45:10] <richlowe> I think I've seen those in the past, but I haven't heard of it recently.
[18:45:34] <richlowe> the obvious case it happens is if you forgot to .KEEP_STATE
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[18:47:59] <jlevon> hmm thanks. I see missing zfs headers pretty regularly
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[18:49:46] <richlowe> mgerdts seemed to be doing both builds, I'm not sure about multi-proto
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[18:50:14] <richlowe> looks like no multi-proto for him
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[18:53:46] <mgerdts> My recent log (https://us-east.manta.joyent.com/mgerdts/public/illumos-11460/iconv-fail-nightly.log.gz) shows MULTI_PROTO=no
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[18:56:54] <mgerdts> It's been a couple weeks since I got a good debug+nd build in one go. I was fighting other issues related to illumos#8564 when I hit the last errors.
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[18:57:18] <mgerdts> that is, outdated /opt/onbld/bin/nightly was giving me grief.
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[18:57:57] <richlowe> I'm having my own problems with make behaving erratically, or I'd look into it :\
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[19:05:00] <richlowe> Guess I won't re-integrate that iconv build change just yet though
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[19:24:43] <tsoome> what shall I do about https://illumos.org/rb/r/1687/ ? I can poke some bits around there, but I have no hardware to test it, so I really would like to keep changes minimal.
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[19:27:17] <richlowe> tsoome: did robert follow up?
[19:27:48] <tsoome> no, not at this moment:)
[19:27:59] <richlowe> tsoome: I believe he had a suggestion that was even more minimal
[19:28:04] <richlowe> and likely also good
[19:28:52] <richlowe> tsoome: my only problem is that typeof makes a confusing mess seem even more intentional
[19:29:06] <richlowe> tsoome: so if we don't have an alternative, a comment saying what we're doing and that we don't like it would be ok with me
[19:29:16] <richlowe> but if Robert's approach is good, I think it's better
[19:30:03] <tsoome> um, you probably think about gwr’s
[19:32:08] <tsoome> but I fail to see ….
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[19:49:30] <richlowe> tsoome: no, I mean robert's
[19:49:37] <richlowe> we talked about it yesterday
[19:49:42] <richlowe> and he was going to comment, but I guess didn't yet.
[19:50:58] <tsoome> ah, that explains:) I was starting to think something is wrong with my word processing part of the brain:D
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[19:51:41] <richlowe> You're dealing with them using a char* (in lieu of caddr_t, tho same thing) and a caddr32_t for the field, and teh same macro to access
[19:51:49] <richlowe> I think rmustacc's view was there was no actual reason for them to do that.
[19:53:01] <tsoome> yea, the core issue there is that we have char * versus uint32_t.
[19:53:44] <tsoome> caddr_t is pointer and caddr32_t is uint32_t.
[19:55:24] <KungFuJesus> LeftWing: I resolved the issue I was having last week with nfsv4 over IPSec tunnels, though I couldn't say for sure exactly why it's an issue to begin with
[19:55:37] <KungFuJesus> I arrived at my solution based on this forum post: https://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?293370-mount-nfs-hangs-forever-nfs4_discover_server_trunking-unhandled-error-512
[19:55:53] <KungFuJesus> it appears hardcoding the NFS server in /etc/hosts did it, even though mount and everything else were resolving the IP just fine
[19:56:03] <KungFuJesus> it _seems_ as though rpc.gssd is to blame?
[19:56:19] <rmustacc> tsoome, richlowe: Sorry, yesterday got me a bit thrown off due to other issues.
[19:56:25] <KungFuJesus> I didn't get the same verbose error message the guy in the forums did
[19:56:33] <tsoome> np:)
[19:57:04] <rmustacc> tsoome: When richlowe was asking me questions about it I looked again and I think I found what he was suggesting. I'll just write that up there?
[19:57:18] <tsoome> sure thing
[19:57:39] <rmustacc> I'll do that now.
[19:57:52] <rmustacc> Well, let me get to your other e-mail first.
[19:57:58] <KungFuJesus> what doesn't make a ton of sense is that the dns server it's querying returns that entry just fine
[19:59:07] <KungFuJesus> why would rpc.gssd use files but not dns?
[19:59:50] <KungFuJesus> I know this is more a Linux problem than an Illumos one, but I find it very odd
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[20:03:25] <tsoome> KungFuJesus: the thing is that kerberos configuration discovery is built on DNS (srv records), so they probably just opt to resolve things via either hosts file or dns (libresolv) and not using nss mechanism. It is only guess, the answer is in the source code:)
[20:06:25] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 11485 mac_alloc(9F) RETURN VALUES refers to wrong function -- Robert Mustacchi <rm at joyent dot com>
[20:12:18] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 11516 loader.efi: replace HandleProtocol() with OpenProtocol() -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
[20:12:52] <rmustacc> tsoome, richlowe: I posted that comment. Let me know if it makes sense.
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[20:40:58] <tsoome> ya well, that is nice remark, but it does not really do for our case. but it did point to another solution anyhow:D
[20:42:16] <rmustacc> Well, Rich was just asking me about a non typeof approach when we were looking at it. Sounds like I missed something in my analysis.
[20:43:19] <richlowe> I'm not sure what
[20:43:33] <tsoome> yes, the problem is that we are trying to assign to int variable in 32-bit case, and to pointer in 64-bit case; the error is when NULL is pointer (not int) — we can not assign pointer to int.
[20:43:40] <LeftWing> FYI: Opengrok is updating its index again now.
[20:44:35] <rmustacc> My point was to get us out of assigning an int at all?
[20:44:55] <rmustacc> So we only ever assign a pointer.
[20:45:19] <rmustacc> In both the 32-bit and 64-bit case.
[20:45:35] <tsoome> we can not assign the pointer in that macro because in 32-bit case we have int structure member
[20:45:41] <rmustacc> Because we've already normalized the 32-bit int and the 64-bit pointer into a 64-bit pointer.
[20:45:58] <rmustacc> Right, which is why I'm saying we don't use it?
[20:46:11] <rmustacc> Or maybe I'm confused in a diferent way.
[20:46:14] <rmustacc> *different
[20:46:16] <tsoome> but we can move that condition statement out of macro, prepare the variable with proper value and pass it to macro.
[20:46:33] <rmustacc> I thought we were always assigning it to a pointer. Are we not?
[20:47:49] <tsoome> no, the query_hca_32->hca_info has addr32_t hca_device_path and caddr32_t is uint32_t
[20:48:00] <rmustacc> Ah, we are using the 32-bit version in that case.
[20:48:05] <rmustacc> Not the 64-bit version.
[20:48:09] <rmustacc> I see.
[20:48:24] <rmustacc> That's where we were confused richlowe.
[20:49:11] <rmustacc> My mistake there.
[20:52:05] <KungFuJesus> tsoome: but DNS has entries for this and resolves it just fine
[20:52:21] <KungFuJesus> including reverse records
[20:53:03] <tsoome> rmustacc: np, but it did point me to alternate way
[20:53:49] <tsoome> KungFuJesus: can you caheck with getent ipnodes hostname ?
[20:54:59] <KungFuJesus> tsoome: On the linux client or the Illumos server?
[20:55:12] <tsoome> both?
[20:55:16] <tsoome> :D
[20:55:31] <KungFuJesus> Unknown database: ipnodes
[20:55:53] <tsoome> hosts on linux, sorry
[20:56:16] <tsoome> or on both - in illumos ipnodes should be aliased to hosts :D
[20:57:39] <rmustacc> Would anyone else enjoy a ptime -w -p <pid> which basically causes it to wait for all processes in the pid list to complete?
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[20:58:04] <richlowe> as opposed to pwait?
[20:59:04] <rmustacc> Well, we could add something to pwait.
[20:59:22] <richlowe> I'm not sure what the result of what yo're suggesting would be
[20:59:32] <rmustacc> I have a long running program.
[20:59:38] <rmustacc> I want to get the run time of it when it finshed.
[20:59:42] <rmustacc> *finished
[21:00:08] <rmustacc> Basically when this program that's already started finishes, report the ptime output.
[21:00:21] <richlowe> ah, that seems useful.
[21:00:56] <rmustacc> Otherwise I do something like: while ptime -p $(pgrep -n nawk); do sleep 1; done
[21:03:07] <LeftWing> rmustacc: I would enjoy it a lot! I'd enjoy it even more if using truss or DTrace didn't preclude using this
[21:03:33] <rmustacc> I can't make any promises.
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[21:10:43] <jlevon> so, req.flg stuff, nightly -n ... any reason to keep them?
[21:16:08] <LeftWing> jlevon: -n is the old bringover stuff? I'd say turf it.
[21:16:25] <richlowe> jlevon: xref uses *.flg
[21:16:48] <LeftWing> There is no bringover_git as far as I can see, so it's not like anybody can have been using -n since we got rid of hg
[21:17:19] <richlowe> torching the bringover stuff is fine, torching the flgs without a replacement for xref would upset me.
[21:17:27] <richlowe> I think maybe you can just slurp it all into XRDIRS in the makefiles though?
[21:18:12] <jlevon> if you use xref, fine.
[21:18:19] <jlevon> I wasn't aware anybody did :)
[21:18:29] <LeftWing> xref is the cscopey target right?
[21:19:06] <jlevon> I just thought everyone dumped a cscope in usr/src but...
[21:19:29] <richlowe> I have more targetted ones too
[21:19:42] <LeftWing> I use "dmake cscope.out" which appears to use XREF
[21:19:54] <jlevon> in subdirs you mean?
[21:19:59] <richlowe> Yes
[21:20:03] <jlevon> ok sure.
[21:20:07] <mgerdts> I mostly use cscope.files that is aimed just at the things I'm working on. Otherwise it is way too cluttered with junk that I don't care about.
[21:20:20] <jlevon> I'm anticipating you're OK without Makefile.noget though
[21:20:27] <richlowe> why would I ever prefer usr/src/cscope.out? if I wanted to know there was 8 copies of a thousand turds in libast, I'd read my old mail.
[21:20:43] <mgerdts> find ... | egrep -e ... | grep [csh]$ > cscope.files
[21:21:14] <mgerdts> well stated
[21:21:35] <tsoome> richlowe, rmustacc there is reworked https://illumos.org/rb/r/1687/
[21:22:24] <LeftWing> I use the caret filter in cscope a lot, I guess
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[21:34:31] <rzezeski> as someone who uses cscope against all of usr/src I feel attacked
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[21:38:53] <Agnar> erm, does illumos kvm supports usb forwarding from host to guest?
[21:42:25] <igork> Agnar: probably bhyve can do it
[21:44:04] <Agnar> igork: oh, that means no for kvm?
[21:44:31] <igork> i think, nope
[21:44:37] <Agnar> thanks
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[21:45:24] <domag02> hi!
[21:45:36] <toasterson> Agnar only vioblk
[21:45:47] <Agnar> toasterson: ok, thanks
[21:46:04] <toasterson> USB passthrough is from the spice protocoll. we do not compile that.
[21:46:14] <Agnar> oh, I see
[21:46:43] <Agnar> so I need another alternative for accessing ext4/xfs
[21:46:57] <toasterson> And I don't know if we could compile it.
[21:47:14] <toasterson> Yes do we have bind9fs?
[21:47:30] <Agnar> what's bind9fs?
[21:47:31] <toasterson> *plan9fs in qemu
[21:47:50] <toasterson> plan9fs
[21:48:06] <toasterson> qemu's answer for virtualboxes folderpassthrough
[21:48:18] <Agnar> ah
[21:48:47] <toasterson> it uses the plan9 networkfilesystem protocol to passthrough folders to guests.
[21:49:58] <rmustacc> jlevon: Please don't kill the dmake cscope.out target.
[21:51:29] <Agnar> anyone here has a suggestion how to access a xfs or ext4 formatted usb stick from illumos?
[21:52:30] <toasterson> Via NFS mounted folder from a linux vm?
[21:52:36] <tsoome> install linux in vbox or bhyve:D
[21:53:21] <Agnar> well, OI has no bhyve (yet) and vbox would mean to turn off kvm. and kvm does not support usb forwarding
[21:53:27] <jlevon> rmustacc: yes, that was the conclusion.
[21:53:50] <tsoome> you can always make image with dd
[21:53:53] <toasterson> or mount the stick and a plan9fs folder in a bhyve VM and copy over :)
[21:54:08] <rmustacc> I thought you could do usb passthrough on qemu without spice.
[21:54:10] <Agnar> tsoome: that's true.
[21:54:17] <rmustacc> Though our verison is old in that respect.
[21:54:42] <rmustacc> jlevon: OK, thanks. Ironically I did actually use the pdf targets in webrevs from time to time. But I'll deal with that myself anyways.
[21:54:48] <Agnar> rmustacc: we have -usb parameter to qemu-kvm, but I was wondering if it should work
[21:55:09] <jlevon> rmustacc: I did not know that. I would probably have kept the ability if so.
[21:55:15] <toasterson> rmustacc (IRC): virtio always. but afaik that is the same as virtioblk.
[21:55:21] <richlowe> jlevon: I wouldn't.
[21:55:30] <toasterson> or is there another special one?
[21:55:31] <rmustacc> jlevon: I don't think we need to keep it. It's pretty rare.
[21:55:34] <jlevon> ok
[21:55:46] <rmustacc> toasterson: There are the -usb arguments which use libusb, IIRC.
[21:56:05] <rmustacc> cscope on the other hand I actually use every day.
[21:56:16] <rmustacc> And that target.
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