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[01:21:57] <bdha> jlevon: The null pun.
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[01:34:25] <neirac> Smithx10 do you now when golang changes to be able to build nomad in Illumos are going to land ?
[01:35:14] <Smithx10> Golang 1.13 comes with the Illumos build tag
[01:35:23] <Smithx10> That’s August 1 I believe
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[01:37:29] <Smithx10> So, at that point opening up PRs for the changes to gops can be merged
[01:37:48] <Smithx10> Or opened at least *
[01:38:34] <Smithx10> By default Illumos will use the Solaris tag unless the Illumos tag is used
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[01:39:27] <Smithx10> I think the other issue was not building docker into the binary, but I believe we can get that fixed too
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[12:23:51] <leoric> I have a stupid question... Why does _REENTRANT exists at all?
[12:28:02] <leoric> wow... and enabling it just can make some functions sane :)
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[12:32:34] <sensille> to redefine errno?
[12:32:54] <sensille> that's one difference i'm aware of
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[12:37:45] <leoric> OK, I guess that's just an old question, why illumos can't be posix(glibc?)-compliant by default :)
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[12:39:41] <nrubsig> leoric: gilbc is not POSIX-compilant, and Solaris libc can conform to multiple standards and POSIX/SUS versions, depending on build flags
[12:40:08] <nrubsig> leoric: technically it could be possible to say that Illumos should switch to XPG6 by default
[12:40:31] <leoric> this is bullshit. I mean, this is explanation to current status-quo
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[12:41:12] <leoric> We care about applications written before my birth more than about recent apps
[12:41:24] <tsoome> nono
[12:41:46] <tsoome> we do not care. it just is as-is
[12:42:00] <leoric> :)
[12:42:03] <tsoome> caring means that some work has to be done
[12:42:30] <tsoome> and that means people developing things, posting updates etc.
[12:42:59] <tsoome> *fortunately*, there is something happening.
[12:43:17] <jlevon> it's probably more that it's a pretty thankless task. I personally would have no problem with a breaking change like that (as long as there's some way to easily go back both compile and run time)
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[13:02:14] <leoric> Well, our XPG6 has its own peculiarities - like struct msghdr
[13:07:09] <tsoome> what is about it?
[13:09:35] <leoric> Most systems have _XPG4_2 structure there
[13:10:19] <tsoome> we do as well
[13:10:27] <leoric> and when we set XOPEN_SOURCE=600, we have to manually patch _XPG4_2 definitions when using it
[13:10:55] <leoric> We do end up with msg_accrights there instrad of msg_control
[13:12:58] <leoric> GNU libc has only msg_control, msg_controllen, msg_flags
[13:13:35] <tsoome> erm,
[13:13:36] <tsoome> http://src.illumos.org/source/xref/illumos-gate/usr/src/uts/common/sys/feature_tests.h#316
[13:14:04] <tsoome> we should get XPG4.2 with 600.
[13:15:22] <tsoome> of course, it smells like something else is missing and feature_tests.h is not properly included.
[13:16:28] <leoric> OK, perhaps I misremember something...
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[13:16:44] <leoric> will try to build PHP 7 without patches
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[13:26:31] <nrubsig> tsoome: you have to link with xpg6.so too
[13:26:35] <nrubsig> er
[13:26:38] <nrubsig> tsoome: you have to link with xpg6.o too
[13:26:43] <tsoome> indeed ofc
[13:27:15] <tsoome> and yes, it still would make sense to have modern environment for default:D
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[13:27:25] <nrubsig> tsoome: otherwise you compile with XPG6 features, but libc deaults to UNIX SystemV-bit-in-your-arse
[13:27:35] <nrubsig> s/bit/bite/
[13:30:12] <nrubsig> once SystemV was GREAT, but POSIX then fixed the annoying&inconsistent issues, and GNU then reintroduced the inconsistent mess and declared it "cool"
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[14:32:16] <igork> tsoome: you have a mistake with: we should get XPG4.2 with 600.
[14:32:27] <igork> you can break socket
[14:32:43] <igork> if you want update it - test it by openssh
[14:33:57] <leoric> igork: yes, we get it with 600
[14:34:01] <leoric> it's my mistake
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[15:07:54] <LeftWing> leoric: I agree with jlevon, it would be reasonable to consider evolving the default compilation environment as long as we can still optionally get the old one back at compile/runtime.
[15:08:39] <LeftWing> We'd want to do testing of things like the pkgsrc build etc, to understand what gets better/worse
[15:09:25] <igork> not just build - have to test apps
[15:09:28] <jperkin> in this instance I'm not sure a pkgsrc build would be a true test, as we've always just fixed stuff so there may be some issues masked by our fixes
[15:09:35] <jlevon> hopefully by now most stuff is already dropping into the new world via defines
[15:09:36] <nrubsig> LeftWing: It can only get better, and the ONLY thing you really need is to link with xpg6.o
[15:09:49] <jperkin> but of course happy to run one anyway
[15:12:06] <LeftWing> nrubsig: I can't imagine literally nothing will break as a result
[15:12:47] <jperkin> a lot will have been mitigated with removing the c99 vs _XOPEN_SOURCE #error bits from feature_tests
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[15:13:22] <LeftWing> Yeah that was certainly one big obstacle
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[18:30:30] <alanc> Solaris 11.4 made XPG7 the default, allows getting the old prototypes back with various defines (-D__USE_DRAFT6_PROTOTYPES__ for pthreads, -D__USE_SUNOS_SOCKETS__ for socket api, etc.)
[18:30:40] <alanc> https://docs.oracle.com/cd/E37838_01/html/E60974/golbg.html
[18:31:20] <tsoome> thats certainly nice!
[18:31:25] <alanc> and yes, relaxing the C99/XPG6 cross checks first helped with that, as did compilers making C11 default mode
[18:32:49] <alanc> _POSIX_PTHREAD_SEMANTICS & _REENTRANT thus no longer needed, but shouldn't hurt if left in from older software
[18:35:53] <alanc> there's also -D__USE_LEGACY_PROTOTYPES__ for various other bits (like the sys/mman.h change coming in the August update to make madvise/memcntl/mincore take void * instead of caddr_t arguments to reduce useless warning noise when building software written on Linux or BSD platforms)
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[18:58:20] <igork> alanc: thanks for update
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[20:18:10] <tsoome> lets spam some.
[20:18:25] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 11417 rcm_daemon: NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
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[20:20:28] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 11418 refer: NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
[20:22:25] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 11419 rmformat: NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
[20:24:30] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 11420 rpcbind: NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
[20:26:30] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 11423 sa: NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
[20:28:45] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 11424 sbdadm: NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
[20:31:08] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 11425 smserverd: NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
[20:34:39] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 11426 stmfproxy: NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
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[20:40:53] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 11427 stmfsvc: NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
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[20:43:33] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 11428 sendmail: NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
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[20:46:56] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 11429 sulogin: NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
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[20:49:47] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 11430 smbsrv: NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
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[21:06:06] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] Backout: 11430 smbsrv: NULL pointer errors (Did not have RTI approval.) -- Dan McDonald <danmcd at joyent dot com>
[21:07:05] <igork> interest spam - one commit with next backup
[21:07:11] <igork> backout
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[21:12:00] <tsoome> yes, I did mix it up and did push wrong one:)
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[21:15:07] <richlowe> not seen that backout message in years and years though, so that's nice
[21:21:19] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 11454 smbclnt: NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
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[21:26:34] <richlowe> LeftWing: seems we could teach electric monk about backouts?
[21:28:09] <LeftWing> In what sense
[21:28:14] <richlowe> re-opening the bug.
[21:28:22] <richlowe> also, why does nobody pbchk backouts? :\
[21:29:05] <richlowe> I guess you could assume a very malformed commit message was a backout, at worst.
[21:29:35] <LeftWing> I'm pretty sure electric monk knows about backouts if you spell them properly
[21:30:01] <richlowe> Perhaps time to switch to my shitty heuristic above then?
[21:30:03] <richlowe> given nobody ever bloody does
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[21:38:04] <richlowe> andyf: any python we have needs to work with both 2 and 3 now, correct?
[21:39:05] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 11430 smbsrv: NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
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[21:44:50] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 11397 mpathadm: NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
[21:46:56] <LeftWing> richlowe: I believe that's true, yes
[21:47:05] <richlowe> hm
[21:48:29] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 11432 stat: NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
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[21:52:51] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 11433 stmfadm: NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
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[21:56:09] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 11436 tip: NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
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[22:01:04] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 11437 uadmin: NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
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[22:05:06] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 11438 vgrind: NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
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[22:08:54] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 11439 tnf: NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
[22:10:51] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 11440 tar: NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
[22:12:54] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 11441 th_tools: NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
[22:14:57] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 11443 ttymon: NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
[22:17:02] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 11444 vi: NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
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[22:25:26] <tsoome> $ git log --oneline master.. | grep -c NULL
[22:25:27] <tsoome> 21
[22:29:40] <tsoome> getting there:)
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