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[00:05:24] <wilbury> who can reset my password for illumos reviewboard? thx
[00:10:36] <LeftWing> wilbury: I believe you can do so yourself
[00:10:58] <LeftWing> https://www.illumos.org/account/lost_password
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[02:39:33] <Smithx10> lol, nothing ? :P
[02:42:59] <LeftWing> Smithx10: You might want to do something which is sensitive to the passage of time as visible in the TSC
[02:44:08] <LeftWing> e.g., I might consider running a gethrtime() loop pinned on each CPU and monitoring the delta between returned values over time
[02:46:02] <LeftWing> I think if a VCPU was unable to make forward progress you'd see periods where the delta between returned values was much higher than usual
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[03:25:33] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 11332 Regression: 11184 causes kernel hang during boot on CPUs without ARAT -- Spencer Berger <bergerspencer at gmail dot com>
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[07:41:04] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 11319 devfsadm: NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
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[07:45:17] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 11303 cron: NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
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[07:48:40] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 11304 cmd-crypto: NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
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[15:31:44] <ptribble> I'm really hoping nobody's using NCA
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[15:32:57] <tsoome_> is it actually working?:)
[15:34:04] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 10395 Add support for SMBIOS 3.2 -- Robert Mustacchi <rm at joyent dot com>
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[15:35:40] <rmustacc> I'd recommend if that's what we want to do to first start by no longer enabling the socket modules by default for a period to help find folks who are using it.
[15:36:39] <andyf> ... bits of illumos I never knew existed
[15:36:53] <andyf> I once had a customer using KSSL for web servers, but not this
[15:37:43] <rmustacc> Not to defend NCA, but sometimes I fear you rip everything out and at some point we'll wake up and there'll be nothing left.
[15:38:34] <bdha> If it doesn't spark joy...
[15:39:13] <rmustacc> Heh, though what sparks joy for me sparks dread for someone else sometimes, and vice versa.
[15:41:34] <bdha> That's why IPDs are so useful! Everyone can come and bring their matches.
[15:41:58] <bdha> For sparklers or to burn the beast!
[15:43:09] <ptribble> andyf: do you have logs on your pkg servers to see if people are installing stuff like this?
[15:45:11] <Smithx10> LeftWing: I have absolutely no idea how to do that rofl
[15:45:24] <rmustacc> ptribble: You're familiar with the /etc/sock2path.d bits?
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[15:47:00] <ptribble> rmustacc: a little, not enough to not be dangerous
[15:48:01] <rmustacc> So, that's how we map socket families to different modules.
[15:48:27] <rmustacc> In this case, as part of removing it, I'd suggest that there's a period where we basically disable that mapping.
[15:48:39] <rmustacc> That will give folks a chance who aren't on lists to notice what's going on and speak up.
[15:48:56] <rmustacc> Because what happened with AVS was really unfortunate.
[15:48:59] <rmustacc> And a bit wrong.
[15:49:09] <rmustacc> (In my opinion)
[15:49:56] <andyf> ptribble - yes, and only googlebot (and people using pkgrecv to sync a local repo) seem interested
[15:49:56] <ptribble> nca drops it's own file into sock2path.d, so it won't get activated if not installed
[15:50:39] <andyf> oh, and one of my test systems where I did a `pkg install \*` as part of pre-release testing
[15:51:08] <rmustacc> I understand. Just trying to suggest steps we can take to make sure we help catch folks who aren't on lists, etc.
[15:52:04] <rmustacc> The same way LeftWing commented in another removal thread about reaching out on distro lists, just trying to suggest a mechanism to help catch things.
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[15:52:57] <tsoome_> someone was using avs?
[15:53:12] <rmustacc> Yes, they came out on the mailing list after it was EOFed asking what had happened since it had disappeared.
[15:53:16] <jlevon> at one point in solaris we planned on having a way of marking packages as deprecated and making the user set a flag in order to install it.
[15:53:35] <jlevon> that is, you won't get it installed without being aware it's going away. you'd get a message too.
[15:53:40] <rmustacc> I'm just trying to be considerate of users who aren't on mailing lists, etc.
[15:53:46] <tsoome_> jlevon its implemented in 11.4
[15:53:57] <jlevon> oh, they did?
[15:53:58] <jlevon> hah
[15:54:06] <tsoome_> yes
[15:54:29] <rmustacc> I'd be surprised if folks were using NCA, just I know I never subscribed to a non-security mailing list for any Linux distro I used.
[15:54:44] <rmustacc> So it's pretty easy for folks to miss those things.
[15:55:22] <tsoome_> ok, time to drive to home:)
[15:55:27] <andyf> tsoome_ - see https://www.illumos.org/issues/9674#note-4
[15:56:17] <rmustacc> Right, and for every one like that there were others were folks just don't say anything.
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[15:57:06] <rmustacc> So, all I'm trying to say is let's try to do a better job about communicating things going away and think about how to reach folks who will never be on mailing lists or other things. Not that we'll catch everyone.
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[16:05:43] <ptribble> One advantage of facilities not installed by default is that we have, at least in principle, a way of tracking if anyone's installed thm later
[16:07:03] <ptribble> Perhaps checking against pkg repository access logs should be a part of any EOF process
[16:07:18] <ptribble> On that, anyone have access to the OI log?
[16:07:55] <rmustacc> Between that and reaching out on mailing lists, yes.
[16:08:10] <rmustacc> I also think where there's a low cost way to easily deprecate, that helps
[16:08:26] <andyf> Our logs only go back so far, unfortunately, but we can certainly see if anybody has installed or updated that in the past couple of months (and the answer is no)
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[16:17:28] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 11377 cxgbe MAC_CAPAB_LED support -- Vishal Kulkarni <vishal at chelsio dot com>
[16:25:56] <ptribble> I'm wondering if there's a benefit in a more systematic attempt to try and work out which bits of illumos are actually in use, and how much, to help guide what we can ignore and what to focus effort on
[16:26:07] <Smithx10> hmmm, running ubuntu@416b89b5-0c10-eb75-f957-cc0ad452cf29:/mnt$ dd if=/dev/zero of=/mnt/test2.img bs=1M count=1000 inside the bhyve VM is resulting in 1048576000 bytes (1.0 GB, 1000 MiB) copied, 24.4042 s, 43.0 MB/s
[16:26:31] <Smithx10> running the same command in the GZ on the same pool is resulting in 1048576000 bytes transferred in 0.822638 secs (1.19GB/sec)
[16:26:45] <rmustacc> ptribble: Maybe, but that can be a self-fulfilling prophecy as well. So we have to be careful.
[16:27:13] <Smithx10> Is there some zone control that may be throttling the write speed in the bhyve instance?
[16:27:34] <rmustacc> It's like copying office. Where everyone uses 80% of the featuers and then a different non-overlapping 5% of the rest
[16:29:06] <rmustacc> There are a number of different factors that could be at play. Including not just the zone controls, but also what percentage of that is synchronous vs. non-synchronous.
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[18:14:45] <Smithx10> Turned out to be the cpu_cap being set to 20, I changed it to 1600 and never bounced.
[18:14:54] <Smithx10> Evidently that change requires a bounce
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[18:23:26] <richlowe> ptribble: I doubt it
[18:23:59] <richlowe> ptribble: the larger problem we've had has been the other way around -- people claiming to require the outlandish shit
[18:26:10] <jellydonut> https://xkcd.com/1172/
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[18:28:26] <richlowe> ptribble: the thing most folks have missed in the past in their zeal, is weighing the benefit of deleting stuff. The things that greatly complicate the code, like the last few suggestions, are _great_ suggestions.
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[18:28:37] <richlowe> other things are just a directory we build sometimes and nobody looks in
[18:38:52] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 11343 fwflash: NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
[18:38:58] <richlowe> (that said, someday I'll find the energy to finish removing the weirder network services)
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[21:22:23] <igork> no mem issue: i have added dump device to server, but it stuck on operations. i did 'nmi' for crash dump, but on ipmi console i can see message: mpt_sas can't allocate memory
[21:22:51] <igork> question is: how to reset and check RAM and produce panic where we have RAM fro mpt_sas ?
[21:23:25] <igork> reset = check and control low RAM for panic dump
[21:25:42] <igork> i have added full vdev to dump device - it is no zvol
[21:26:40] <igork> but mpt_sas need RAM for operations and have no it
[21:29:07] <danmcd> Quickie webrev (but could use responses on the email thread):
[21:29:14] <danmcd> http://kebe.com/~danmcd/webrevs/11378/
[21:32:01] <wiedi> 2^32 clock ticks is ~50 days right?
[21:32:32] <jlevon> hah that's awesome
[21:32:41] <danmcd> Yep.
[21:33:00] <danmcd> Nobody caught this during the IP Datapath Refactoring review back in the day. That includes me. :-/
[21:34:54] <richlowe> danmcd: that seems right.
[21:35:20] <danmcd> Once we test it, richlowe, feel free to RTI-approve it. I've pmooney and tsoome as reviewers now.
[21:35:54] <danmcd> There's also bad clock_t math in igmp, but that's not anyone's showstopper. Will file that later.
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[21:37:59] <tsoome> I think there should be gcc warning about data loss by assignment to smaller data type…
[21:38:39] <jlevon> dude. aren't you busy enough
[21:38:58] <richlowe> I think you mis-parsed
[21:39:13] <richlowe> I think he's asking, in effect "Is this the -Wno-type-limits in ip/Makefile"?
[21:39:23] <jlevon> ah right
[21:40:21] <richlowe> which it's probably worth Dan checking either way
[21:40:32] <richlowe> either it can go away, or the results will be horrifying for him.
[21:40:57] <jlevon> I can guess
[21:46:57] <alanc> huh, looks like utterback fixed in 11.3 & later by going the other way and converting the calculations to be done in seconds instead to match the declared type, instead of changing the type to match the calculations
[21:47:31] <alanc> ( BUG 24655191 - DAD fails to stop sending GARP defense packets. )
[21:48:02] <alanc> but pretty much the exact same analysis of the cause
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[21:51:43] <tsoome> :)
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[22:01:41] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 11309 zfs recv on delegated dataset inside a zone can fail -- Jerry Jelinek <jerry.jelinek at joyent dot com>
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[22:33:18] <richlowe> alanc: did /.. on Domain get you to //?
[22:33:42] <alanc> as best I can recall it did
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[22:44:40] <LeftWing> richlowe: I'm mostly trying to get people to do that weighing, and to write down the conclusion. I'm fine with deleting things that it makes no sense to keep.
[22:47:03] <LeftWing> Deleting AVS was not the wrong call, I feel, but we definitely should have communicated it to the user who complained in advance in some way other than his rebooting into a BE that didn't work
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[23:35:20] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 11378 ncec_last_time_defended needs to be clock_t -- Dan McDonald <danmcd at joyent dot com>
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