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[00:07:36] <andyf> richlowe - some interesting differences in our 8.3.0 branches
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[00:08:43] <richlowe> andyf: still working, give me a sec.
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[00:11:15] <andyf> actually not too many differences if I use -w, you must have not been able to resist the odd trailing whitespace cleanup :) but the eh unwinder detection could be relevant, and the STARTFILE_ARCH_SPEC
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[00:22:10] <richlowe> andyf: I have reverted the whitespace cleanup at your behest from before
[00:22:17] <richlowe> it's not "resist", it's an editor hook I forget to disable
[00:22:35] <andyf> heh.. my editor highlights it all in red so I have to resist cleaning it
[00:29:05] <richlowe> does someone have a FreeBSD machine handy?
[00:29:06] <richlowe> tsoome?
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[00:33:22] <jbk> this client is on a fbsd box, though i don't have root on it
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[00:34:03] <jbk> depending on what you need
[00:42:36] <richlowe> I am/was trying to work out if sed not supporting alternation without extended regexes is a normal thing.
[00:42:52] <richlowe> since andyf pointed out gcc assumes 'sed' will support \(foo\|bar\)
[00:42:53] <richlowe> and we do not.
[00:43:15] <richlowe> I can't tell if they're silently assuming gsed (and we should let them know), or if our sed is missing something important.
[00:43:31] <richlowe> or if Oracle sed gained \| support and so it worked fine for Rainer either way
[00:47:30] <jbk> https://gist.github.com/jasonbking/5e9c1296d42d46164f14dde630d21823 -- not sure if that's what you were looking for
[00:47:46] <jbk> that's a 11.2 box
[00:51:35] <richlowe> alanc: did you add this, or should I ping rainer?
[00:51:40] <richlowe> the general "you"
[00:51:47] <richlowe> but given the cuts, maybe it really _is_ "you" now.
[00:51:49] <richlowe> how depressing.
[00:52:41] <alanc> I've managed to stay out of sed so far, though I can't say the same for libc
[00:54:43] <alanc> I get the same results on Solaris trunk as jbk got on 11.2 - only get the XX
[00:54:51] <alanc> s if I use gsed instead
[00:55:40] <alanc> but I bet we don't notice because we compile gcc with PATH=$(GNUBIN):$(USRBINDIR):$(USRDIR)/perl5/bin
[00:55:46] <richlowe> I'll email rainer.
[00:59:07] <richlowe> and using 'gsed' as andy did would rely on the compatlinks facet
[00:59:19] <richlowe> and using sed -E as I did won't work on Solaris
[01:00:33] <alanc> what about /usr/gnu/bin/sed as our $PATH does?
[01:00:56] <richlowe> I suppose gcc only supports recent enough Solaris that might work
[01:01:55] <richlowe> surely your same users using random SunOS 4 binaries are avoiding /usr/gnu though? :)
[01:05:04] <richlowe> echo "foo" | 9 sed -e 's/(foo|bar)/test/'
[01:05:09] <richlowe> obviously the answer is to rely on plan9port
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[01:42:47] <sjmulder> is it possible to return to a specific point in pkg history? I want to undo pkg installs I did post-install and return to a fresh state
[01:48:12] <richlowe> depending on your configuration, they may have created backup boot environments.
[01:48:28] <richlowe> I'm not sure if the pkg history output tells you which is which though.
[01:51:49] <sjmulder> I'm on Hipster with all the defaults. there don't seem to be any identifiers listed in the history
[01:52:06] <sjmulder> for now I've just gone through the history and then uninstalled those packages
[01:52:28] <sjmulder> but I don't think that removed the now unneeded dependencies
[01:57:32] <richlowe> it didn't, I don't think that ever got implemented.
[01:57:45] <richlowe> not sure even recorded what was explicitly v. implicitly installed ever got implemented.
[02:00:03] <richlowe> but the history entry should tell you the dependencies that were installed at that specific too?
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[02:02:04] <richlowe> so if you did pkg history -l for that entry, you'd see under Package version changes: exactly what changes were made
[02:02:11] <richlowe> and could reverse them by hand
[02:04:46] <sjmulder> ah, fair enough, thanks
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[04:28:20] <richlowe> why does 99% of my day seem to be sed compatibility related? :\
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[04:40:26] <richlowe> oh never mind, this one is ksh93 it seems
[04:40:27] <richlowe> joy
[04:42:31] <jbk> did you hurl insults at assorted deities this morning?
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[08:52:31] <toasterson> richlowe (IRC): You propably insulted the meoji deity this morning :)
[08:52:59] <toasterson> s/meoji/emoji/
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[14:27:28] <gvm> Is there any copy of the illumos wiki still in existence, other than archive.org? I blinked and missed the announcement that it was going, and I'm having problems locating information that used to be in there. Archive.org is OK but can't be assumed to have archived every page.
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[14:49:25] <bdha> gvm: The db still exists. We can probably get at whatever with a little work.
[14:50:28] <gvm> So it only exists offline? Are there any plans to put the information in it back online?
[14:51:09] <gvm> I didn't see any rationale for withdrawing it, other than Confluence is "old"...
[14:51:20] <bdha> And full of holes.
[14:51:38] <gvm> Holes?
[14:52:01] <bdha> Yes, the final nail was that another RCE was found.
[14:52:08] <bdha> But there were a bunch of other nails.
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[14:52:20] <bdha> Regardless: Yes, we can probably get all the page contents into an archive available.
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[14:54:12] <gvm> There are other Wiki products though - and just withdrawing all of the info seems a little extreme. As I said, I'm just relying on archive.org.
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[14:54:53] <bdha> The thread a year ago, and more recently for the cutover, covers anything I want to say about this.
[14:55:03] <bdha> I can look into dumping the pages out in a bit.
[14:55:23] <jimklimov> can make a big XML :)
[14:55:32] <bdha> If we missed something relevant when porting it over, PRs would certainly be welcome!
[14:55:47] <bdha> Ideally not XML. :)
[14:55:58] <bdha> Also, you can use the GH UI to edit and submit PRs directly.
[14:57:47] <gvm> I was looking for https://wiki.illumos.org/display/illumos/ZFS+and+Advanced+Format+disks. Couldn't find this info in the new docs, but it is at archive.org.
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[15:00:17] <bdha> Ok. I think LeftWing wrote an exporter; if not I'll dig around and ping you.
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[15:02:32] <jimklimov> as a poor-man's backup, I copied my articles saved via browser some years back now...
[15:02:35] <jimklimov> https://github.com/jimklimov/illumos-articles/tree/master/articles
[15:03:21] <jimklimov> there are MHT plugins for firefox and native in MSIE
[15:03:45] <gvm> jimklimov: Thanks, Jim. As I said, it is on archive.org, so I do have it now. I was just surprised that it wasn't on illumos.org.
[15:04:12] <gvm> Or at least, I couldn't find it and Google hasn't indexed it it.
[15:04:33] <jimklimov> google is not big enough for archive.org :)
[15:05:15] <gvm> :-). I did mean that Google hasn't indexed the new docs on illumos.org
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[15:09:41] <bdha> gvm: https://www.illumos.org/issues/11234
[15:10:15] <bdha> I need to go feed the animals and get the day going. Back in a bit.
[15:11:21] <gvm> bdha: thanks
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[16:37:36] <jlevon> richlowe: FWIW I did a run through our build with gcc il-2, without problems. didn't test the bits but <shrug>
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[18:53:47] <richlowe> jlevon: great
[18:54:03] <richlowe> jlevon: if you make 7 primary, mention which version in the heads-up
[18:54:28] <richlowe> jlevon: since either work, more as a hint for distros to ship the thing :)
[18:56:05] <jlevon> well it's going to be whatever the distro is delivering.
[18:56:22] <jlevon> at least, that's what I default to for the basic illumos.sh
[18:56:24] <richlowe> right, we want that to be either -il-1 or -il-2 surely?
[18:56:30] <richlowe> and should tell them so
[18:56:51] <jlevon> we should certainly encourage that yes!
[18:56:57] <richlowe> I've been frying my brain with gcc and gdb for way too long this last week or so, so I may just be spouting gibberish.
[18:57:00] <jlevon> I will make a note in the heads up at least.
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[21:48:13] <richlowe> ; git show gcc-9_1_0-release:gcc/BASE-VER
[21:48:14] <richlowe> 9.1.1
[21:48:16] <richlowe> am I going crazy here?
[22:07:28] <richlowe> also, contrib/compare_tests blew ksh93's stack, so that's ominous.
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