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[00:00:44] <LeftWing> alanc: Ooh!
[00:00:52] <LeftWing> Is it just an ATX sort of thing?
[00:01:32] <alanc> no, somewhat smaller than an ATX
[00:01:43] <alanc> sort of a "SPARC Mini"
[00:02:39] <richlowe> not even an atx psu?
[00:02:44] <alanc> https://twitter.com/alanc/status/916112940855566336
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[00:02:54] <alanc> oh no, external power brick
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[00:04:19] <bdha> haha
[00:04:48] <LeftWing> I...
[00:05:06] <LeftWing> This is a terrible idea but I kind of want it haha
[00:05:08] <richlowe> I think the key thing here is alan mentioned a niche bad idea, and LeftWing immediately wanted one :)
[00:05:10] <richlowe> dammit
[00:05:10] <bdha> Josh really wants it.
[00:05:45] <alanc> you'll have to write your own PCI ExpressCard driver if you want to plug anything into the slot in the back 8-)
[00:06:01] <rzezeski> LeftWing: would look nice sitting next to the VT220
[00:06:08] <LeftWing> It would
[00:06:17] <rzezeski> "really tied the room together"
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[00:06:30] <LeftWing> If I can land a desktop of some kind I'll be plugging the VT220 into it in Scott's old office
[00:06:45] <richlowe> "next to"? You'd put it on top like the monitor on one of the old lunchboxes.
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[00:09:41] <alanc> I think there's a lunchbox (IPC maybe?) in the storage closet that hasn't been powered on in 15+ years, but at this point, it would only be useful as a monitor stand
[00:09:59] <richlowe> it was fashionable for a while to gut them, and put mini-itx boards in them.
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[00:20:43] <LeftWing> We had an SS10 as our NAT box when we were in 1EC
[00:20:53] <LeftWing> It belonged to wesolows
[00:21:09] <richlowe> he very much enjoyed solaris 8
[00:24:12] <LeftWing> I think it might have had S9 on it actually
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[01:53:44] <neirac> Smithx10 do you wait for zones to be running on your drvier ?
[01:54:36] <neirac> Smithx10 I have the docker images working but I need to start whatever they want, but waiting for zone startup does not make nomad happy
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[03:17:18] <richlowe> does anyone remember if cstyle has views on using memcpy, v. structure assignment?
[03:17:49] <richlowe> neither the document or the script do, I'm meaning inherited wisdom here
[03:18:07] <jbk> none that i'm aware of
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[03:32:24] <LeftWing> richlowe: I think it depends on whether you depend on copying the implicit padding?
[03:32:52] <LeftWing> I would use structure assignment where possible because it's harder to screw up
[03:41:28] <richlowe> don't kid yourself, I can screw anything up.
[03:43:20] <LeftWing> Haha
[03:43:40] <LeftWing> I mean it's at least a little typesafe
[03:43:46] <LeftWing> In theory
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[04:08:47] <richlowe> LeftWing: having any luck with sparcs?
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[05:23:31] <Smithx10> neirac: what do you mean?
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[05:33:46] <neirac> Smithx10 for example I want to start whatever the docker image specifies it runs. so I wait for the zone to change state to running, then execute the entrypoint + cmd, it works great using zlogin, but it seems that waiting for the zone to transition inside nomad messes up the driver.
[05:34:34] <Smithx10> I just call the triton api, and then wait for thde instance state to change to running
[05:35:02] <neirac> Smithx10 ok, so maybe is me doing it incorrectly.I'll recheck again
[05:35:03] <Smithx10> triton handles the docker stuff too atm
[05:35:47] <Smithx10> hmmm, not 100% sure, since my driver is a lot simpler
[05:36:03] <neirac> Smithx10 do you have an example running several zones using a nomad job spec ?
[05:36:12] <Smithx10> since triton does the heavy lifting
[05:36:45] <neirac> Smithx10 triton is great
[05:37:49] <Smithx10> in the nomad spec youd bump the task group count
[05:38:22] <Smithx10> im on my phone atm, ill send something tomorrow
[05:39:46] <neirac> Smithx10 thanks a lot
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[08:13:20] <tsoome> after yesterdays SMB updates, the TimeMachine is happy about the SMB share
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[08:19:47] <LeftWing> Nice!
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[08:28:07] <Agnar> LeftWing: hey, regarding your request for a sparc for illumos building, I replied via tweet, but you could also ping me here of course. I could offer a seperate ldom with console access and probably everything you need
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[08:35:27] <LeftWing> Agnar: Thanks! If I can't find a physical box I'll definitely take you up on that.
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[08:44:43] <Pocky> hi. I have a short question about compatibility of AF 512e disks. I saw comments about this type of disk and i want to be sure that disks are 100%compatible with illumos and zfs before buying them.
[08:50:11] <LeftWing> Pocky: I believe we do the right thing with most or all AF disks.
[08:51:46] <Pocky> LeftWing: Thanks. Normally they should work but wanted to ask this before going to take 9x1.8TB disks and having suprises :D
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[09:00:40] <v_a_b> Agnar Good to see you're back in the game. :-)
[09:01:48] <v_a_b> LeftWing I also have lots of SPARC hw. I would be willing to power up a box for a day or so and give you access to an LDOM.
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[09:06:36] <LeftWing> v_a_b: Thank you! I'm currently ideally looking to get a machine together under control of the project that we'll look after over the longer term, rather than just short term leases on loaner LDOMs.
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[09:23:10] <Agnar> LeftWing: that's ok, if shipping wouldn't be that expensive I'd have some gear for you. I still could get my hands on a M4000 or T5220
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[09:24:08] <Agnar> LeftWing: oh btw. my offer is not short-term. It's my personal box, so I can guarantee you long term availability
[09:24:29] <Agnar> (as long as the hw does not die of course :))
[09:25:42] <Agnar> (and I'm hunting for a T4-x...)
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[09:29:26] <tsoome> I did add note to https://www.illumos.org/issues/11017 - probably needs to be added to wiki but I have no time atm.
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[09:34:48] <tsoome> Agnar: I have T4 in our lab @work and I am hoping to get it but I have to get some other things done first before I can dedicate some more time for it
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[09:59:10] <v_a_b> I have a T4-2 (dual CPU, 128 GB) and a T5-2 (single CPU, 128 GB). Now I need to find the time...
[09:59:55] <tsoome> T5-2 and single cpu? other is dead?
[10:00:40] <v_a_b> No, the original owner bought the "small" configuration. Don't know why. I found it on Ebay for a reasonable price.
[10:00:52] <tsoome> ou, i see
[10:02:03] <v_a_b> It was meant for a proof-of-concept implementation of a p2v migration. Unfortunately our customer never did the migration after all.
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[10:05:59] <ptribble> It strikes me that we have enough hardware, it's just working out how to give people access to it
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[10:15:13] <jimklimov> openvpn them all to one concentrator, openvpn the devs to same concentrator, let all access all? :)
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[10:20:18] <tsoome> virtual illumos developer cluster
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[10:29:41] <Agnar> ptribble: we "just" need to sponsor a good hosting
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[10:30:56] <ptribble> Yes, my own problem is that the boxes are in my home office
[10:31:16] <ptribble> Noisy and power-hungry, I can't run them 24/7
[10:31:26] <ptribble> In the middle of summer they would overheat anyway
[10:31:39] <jimklimov> but in winter they can heat your home :)
[10:32:02] <Agnar> my box cost me 50EUR/month hosting
[10:32:18] <ptribble> I do tend to do more sparc work in winter than summer, yes
[10:32:41] <jimklimov> well, sparks are supposed to be hot and shiny, no surprise there :)
[10:33:07] <ptribble> But, but, it said "coolthreads"
[10:34:07] <tsoome> the T8-2 has 2000W psus:)
[10:34:39] <Agnar> it doesn't say coolthreads anymore iirc
[10:34:44] <tsoome> of course all that memory and stuff needs power
[10:36:22] <jimklimov> now, where was I?.. oh dang, brownout... and a blackout... I forgot...
[10:36:27] <jimklimov> :)
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[11:54:35] <Agnar> btw...is there any work on getting linux containers into illumos-gate?
[11:55:03] <jlevon> nothing active no
[11:56:49] <Agnar> ok, thanks
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[12:04:08] <igork> 16G Fibre Channel Qlogic QLE2670 - has someone experience with this adapter?
[12:04:47] <igork> i couldn't found with details and check illumos drive for it - i have only this info
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[12:21:47] <azarus> How certain is it that a HP DL380 G7 + a D2700 disk enclosure works with illumos? I'd personally think it'll most likely work
[12:21:58] <azarus> Can't really find the parts on the HCL though :/
[12:22:31] <azarus> 8 + 25 disks... mmmh
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[12:36:56] <leoric> what do I miss if I can configure vmware interface directly, but not when create vnic over it????
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[13:04:20] <leoric> ouch, vmware vswitch promiscous mode settings... different on different vmware hosts...
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[13:15:43] <toasterson> azarus (IRC): HP specific drivers are available in Illumos. I have a HP Micro server g10 running Illumos. A g8 was well supported so G7 should definetly be.
[13:16:21] <toasterson> also where do you want to store that beast? In Keyburg or at home?
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[13:29:16] <nia> hi. is it now safe to assume the presence of flock in illumos?
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[13:32:40] <wilbury> no?
[13:33:10] <wilbury> bot yes, it is. flock is in sys/file.h
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[13:52:14] <azarus> toasterson: in the basement, probably
[13:54:45] <toasterson> azarus (IRC): how many cores does it have? You might also want to host vm's / zones on it depending on cores and RAM available.
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[13:55:08] <azarus> toasterson: dunno yet. it's "e-waste" by my employer
[13:55:32] <toasterson> lol nice waste 🙂
[13:55:45] <toasterson> rescycling lived.
[13:56:13] <azarus> could be from a single 4C/8T cpu to a 12C/16T cpu(s)
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[13:56:28] <azarus> 24T*
[13:57:51] <toasterson> thats not bad. you can definetly run quite some amount of zones on that.
[13:58:30] <azarus> Yeah, with 24 threads ;)
[13:58:43] <azarus> Plenty of bhyves on there too
[13:59:15] <toasterson> 🙂 all those beeees
[13:59:38] <azarus> Nick Cage > "no, not the bees!! aaagh aaagh"
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[14:13:23] <andyf> igork, there's an OmniOS user running qlc QLE2672 cards, but OmniOS has an updated qlc driver over gate
[14:14:10] <igork> andyf: do you have updates from smartos for it ?
[14:14:18] <andyf> No, from Nexenta
[14:14:22] <igork> ok, thanks
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[14:57:07] <ptribble> gcc7 yeah, good - but there's still all this Studio junk littering the place
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[15:15:54] <Smithx10> neirac: were you asking about a nomad "job" with multiple "task groups" ?
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[15:42:02] <neirac> Smithx10 I'm not to versed in nomad, want I want is to spin multiple zones on the same job spec is that a task group ?
[15:43:23] <Smithx10> Yeah, so a "Job" which contain "Task Groups" which Contain "Tasks"
[15:44:05] <Smithx10> Task Groups contain the Counts of Said tasks and other information that can be inherited
[15:44:43] <Smithx10> https://www.nomadproject.io/docs/job-specification/group.html
[15:44:59] <Smithx10> https://www.nomadproject.io/docs/job-specification/task.html
[15:45:06] <Smithx10> https://www.nomadproject.io/docs/job-specification/job.html
[15:45:19] <Smithx10> So you can create 1 job, that has many groups, which themselves contain many tasks.
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[16:59:32] <neirac> Smithx10 thanks!
[17:00:21] <Smithx10> np
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[19:21:27] <Smithx10> neirac: were you able to test what you wanted ?
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[22:13:01] <richlowe> andyf: was I right in thinking the hyperv stuff you want to add doesn't... work?
[22:13:12] <richlowe> (from a list of caveats in the bug? in the review?)
[22:14:43] <richlowe> also, toasterson used an emoji earlier and I finally feel vindicated for setting up emacs font mapping :)
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[23:29:12] <richlowe> jlevon: do we want to tag the 7.3 we have right now as -2?
[23:29:29] <richlowe> (is anyone else using the updated one, even?)
[23:31:15] <andyf> richlowe - well, it must work. Delphix have used it to run on Azure for a couple of years
[23:31:37] <richlowe> andyf: the list of things was like "panics on boot, warns constantly" though?
[23:32:47] <andyf> but, I'm trying to find a way of getting it integrated, with proper attribution for the original work
[23:33:09] <andyf> as in, I don't want to just merge in all of the fixes I have so far along with the big work from Delphix
[23:33:18] <andyf> I don't know if it's going to work as an approach...
[23:33:22] <richlowe> Portions contributed by: ?
[23:33:53] <rmustacc> There are a bunch of things that we'll want to figure out that I'm noticing in review.
[23:34:03] <andyf> 0.1% contributed by... it seems disingenuous
[23:34:38] <rmustacc> No one is saying you have to put your self in there if you don't want to.
[23:34:44] <andyf> richlowe - it might certainly end up going that way
[23:34:51] <richlowe> I'm the wrong person to ask about caring about self-credit.
[23:34:57] <richlowe> I get angry when copyright check makes me
[23:35:11] <andyf> it's not about self credit, it works both ways
[23:35:33] <andyf> it's wrong to not be transparent about the fact that it is not the same code that was contributed
[23:36:11] <andyf> if that makes sense..
[23:36:22] <rmustacc> A bit, just hard to satisfy both if there are issues in what's there.
[23:36:25] <andyf> I don't think my initial approach is going to work, at least.
[23:36:42] <rmustacc> But, ultimately, we want to help get it sorted, so we can work something out.
[23:36:54] <rmustacc> Goal is to get folks working bits thare are of a reasonable quality.
[23:37:20] <rmustacc> No one, I think, wants to say no.
[23:37:30] <richlowe> I understand, I have libdtrace fixes from FreeBSD that needed extensive work I haven't yet found a way to integrate
[23:37:36] <richlowe> admittedly because they fell so far down my todo list.
[23:37:47] <andyf> The good news is, that with the fixes we have so far in OmniOS, we're running test VMs in Azure
[23:38:07] <jlevon> richlowe: tag sounds good
[23:38:16] <richlowe> jlevon: have you tested the new bits at all?
[23:39:59] <jlevon> no
[23:40:36] <richlowe> maybe you should try them before you endorse that? :)
[23:40:40] <jlevon> isn't the only really non-test one the epilogue adjustment assert one?
[23:40:47] <richlowe> yeah, but I'm paranoid.
[23:41:21] <richlowe> I guess you're right.
[23:41:35] <jlevon> I can give it a run through our build tomorrow
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