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[00:07:09] <richlowe> my gdb build failing in the libctf Oracle added to binutils is irony itself.
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[01:12:18] <LeftWing> Haha
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[06:49:32] <richlowe> LeftWing: you know why there's such a delta between number of patches in userland and number in pkgsrc?
[06:49:38] <richlowe> LeftWing: 'cos as best as I can tell, 99% of those in userland do nothing.
[06:49:49] <LeftWing> Oh really
[06:50:11] <richlowe> it's like someone saw the files and did things in them, but didn't actually hook all the bits together.
[06:50:11] <LeftWing> They're fluff, or we don't apply them?
[06:50:13] <richlowe> unless I'm really stupid
[06:50:26] <richlowe> so the syscall table is there, but we never tell gdb to use it
[06:50:31] <richlowe> (and even when we do, it doesn't then work)
[06:50:55] <richlowe> regformat stuff is there, but wasn't added to the makefile, or the .dat files regenerated
[06:51:30] <richlowe> so the two largest patches seem to do absolutely nothing
[06:52:39] <richlowe> and for eg, we claim to do the orig_eax thing
[06:52:42] <richlowe> which I'm pretty sure we don't.
[06:53:04] <richlowe> and the regformat stuff is for gdbserver, which I'm pretty sure doesn't actually work on solaris.
[06:55:56] <LeftWing> Huh
[06:57:32] <richlowe> so at least I get to delete a lot of stuff, I guess.
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[07:06:42] <richlowe> but yeah, maybe it's all a work in progress(?) over there
[07:06:51] <richlowe> though if it is, bits are wrong
[07:07:12] <richlowe> LeftWing: but if we want to make the experience better, we have a pretty much free hand
[07:08:12] <LeftWing> Well perhaps that's not the worst position to be in
[07:09:01] <richlowe> say that after you've spent a large chunk of time merging and reading all this code trying to work out what's going on
[07:09:05] <richlowe> and find the answer in question
[07:11:06] <richlowe> the git log is making what's happened much more plane
[07:11:08] <richlowe> plain
[07:12:06] <richlowe> though the fact people there seem to have been merging it all for 5+ years now is surprising.
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[10:07:54] <jperkin> please let me know if you do
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[11:55:15] <domag02> hi all!
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[15:28:07] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 11204 smatch issue in zlib/deflate.c -- Mark Adler <madler at alumni dot caltech.edu>
[15:32:07] <igork> have someone experience with hpe storefabric adapters for iscsi/fc 10G traffic ?
[15:32:47] <igork> interested in universal solution
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[16:22:46] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 11018 SMB3 Encryption -- Matt Barden <matt.barden at nexenta dot com>
[16:22:47] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 11019 Enable SMB3 server by default -- Matt Barden <matt.barden at nexenta dot com>
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[16:56:13] <tsoome> huh.
[16:56:27] <tsoome> nice progress:D
[16:56:32] <KungFuJesus> I just experienced this kernel panic in OI: https://github.com/joyent/smartos-live/issues/485 after unconfiguring by hand a dead drive that had been replaced by a hot spare in the pool
[16:57:04] <KungFuJesus> I'm like 80% sure I've been seeing this same kernel panic on occasion since I set the system up (2012)
[16:57:12] <KungFuJesus> does anyone know what actually causes this?
[16:58:49] <tsoome> sounds like HBA driver has some sort of corner case
[17:00:27] <rmustacc> No, it's not HBA driver related.
[17:00:31] <rmustacc> Though I think Jerry just finished it.
[17:00:41] <tsoome> ou:)
[17:00:51] <rmustacc> I'll have him update the ticket if I'm right there.
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[17:34:55] <KungFuJesus> rmustacc: if it helps, I can retrieve the dump
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[17:37:02] <rmustacc> KungFuJesus: I think this one is pretty well understood.
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[19:06:45] <azarus> Is `man -k` and `apropos` broken for anyone else?
[19:07:37] <azarus> For example, issuing: "man -k ls" results in: http://ix.io/1LpN
[19:08:17] <azarus> (this is with OmniOS r151030e, but I think I got it under tribblix too)
[19:08:36] <daleg> you have to create the windex files
[19:08:53] <daleg> running catman -w (as root) does that
[19:09:15] <azarus> daleg: that fixed it. Thanks :D
[19:09:36] <azarus> How come one doesn't have to do that in Linux/BSD?
[19:11:44] <daleg> they usually have some daily cron job that runs and keeps those databases updated
[19:12:17] <kvik> i think the recommended command to generate indexes is man -w
[19:13:48] <kvik> i very much prefer the bsd meaning of -w, though, which i whined about yesterday :P
[19:13:57] <daleg> /usr/bin/catman and /usr/bin/man are the same executable in illumos
[19:14:08] <daleg> catman -w and man -w are the same
[19:14:28] <azarus> I still kinda have to figure out exactly *what's* in illumos and what's not
[19:14:33] <kvik> daleg: i see. i've just read somewhere about man -w being "recommended"
[19:14:45] <azarus> It's an entire operating system, but then what are distros for? Just distribution and some patches?
[19:14:56] <rmustacc> illumos is not an entire operating system.
[19:15:11] <rmustacc> Though most of the core userland and kernel are here.
[19:15:12] <azarus> It has a kernel and userspace, so I'd call that an entire os
[19:15:34] <rmustacc> Well, the user land won't work or run without other things that aren't here.
[19:15:52] <azarus> Ah, alright then
[19:15:56] <azarus> Thanks for the clarification.
[19:15:56] <rmustacc> Regarding having to actually generate the catman databases, I'd suggest someone file an OmniOS bug to suggest they're built automatically.
[19:16:17] <rmustacc> As an example, unlike a BSD, we don't have some things like OpenSSL/LibreSSL in illumos.
[19:16:38] <azarus> No SSL lib? Interesting
[19:16:45] <daleg> here is where one can debate the meanings and differences between terms such as "operating system" and "operating environment"
[19:17:07] <rmustacc> There is a range of things that work, but we don't have a single blessed one, which is a double-edged sword.
[19:17:23] <rmustacc> And similar things.
[19:17:57] <azarus> I wonder what the impact of not having a "reference distro/operating environment/whatever" is
[19:18:01] <azarus> Maybe not at all?
[19:18:04] <azarus> none*
[19:18:43] <rmustacc> The answer to that can vary based on your point of view.
[19:19:05] <rmustacc> I could make up arguments to bless and condone it at the same time.
[19:19:13] <bdha> Heh.
[19:19:36] <azarus> Very interesting. Maybe illumos is the only OS (or not OS) that does it this way
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[19:21:10] <rmustacc> Well, just depends on how you want to slice Linux in ways.
[19:21:28] <rmustacc> And is having a package manager part of that or not.
[19:21:39] <azarus> Linux is a bit of an outlier. Just a kernel, no libc, no nothing extra
[19:21:43] <rmustacc> *shrug*
[19:21:50] <tsoome> illumos has many annoying stuff noone has bothered fixing. catman -w is one of those:)
[19:22:15] <tsoome> or lets say that so far there have been more important things to get fixed:D
[19:22:37] <rmustacc> We build our databases?
[19:23:01] <rmustacc> I mean, folks just need to rig it up in a way that make sense for their broader distro environment.
[19:23:50] <tsoome> indeed:)
[19:24:32] <LeftWing> I believe we do it as part of the SmartOS build, right?
[19:24:38] <LeftWing> (Because it's sealed in a ramdisk after that)
[19:24:54] <azarus> Alright, created a bug report in OmniOS :)
[19:25:09] <rmustacc> Thanks for doing that.
[19:25:15] <rmustacc> LeftWing: Yes, that's how SmartOS works.
[19:25:39] <rmustacc> I would probably tie it into the package management in that world, tbh.
[19:25:47] <rmustacc> It knows when things are being installed and is worth rerunning.
[19:25:52] <LeftWing> Yeah that's not a bad idea
[19:25:59] <LeftWing> And if you add pages manually you need to run it yourself
[19:26:18] <azarus> How much focus is put on security in illumos? Is it comparable to say OpenBSD?
[19:26:32] <rmustacc> I would not say it's comparable to OpenBSD.
[19:26:45] <rmustacc> We do care about it, but they certainly are much more focused on it and have developed more things.
[19:26:47] <LeftWing> We're very interested in being secure, but it's not our singular focus as it is in OpenBSD land.
[19:27:04] <LeftWing> We have folks in our community who talk to folks in their community though, from time to time.
[19:27:08] <azarus> More focus on functional innovation, I guess :)
[19:27:21] <rmustacc> Well, folks work on what's interesting to them.
[19:27:32] <rmustacc> Some folks that's security, some folks that's hardware support, some folks that's something else entirely.
[19:27:43] <rmustacc> I prefer not to compare/contrast to others and just focus on what folks actually do.
[19:27:54] <rmustacc> The us vs. them bit always feels like it falls a bit short.
[19:28:08] <LeftWing> In the case of companies paying people to work on it, they're usually being paid to focus on something commercially relevant to that company. Joyent has been in the cloud business a long time, so we've put effort into zones and networking performance and such. Nexenta have put a lot of effort into the SMB server.
[19:28:43] <azarus> I see. That makes sense, so it's really a community effort
[19:28:58] <azarus> (the community comprising also corporations)
[19:28:59] <tsoome> with big but.
[19:29:27] <tsoome> thats assuming the local developments are pushed upstream.
[19:29:43] <tsoome> which is not always the case for many reasons.
[19:29:46] <rmustacc> Yup, and some are better at that than others.
[19:30:00] <LeftWing> But hey, gwr has boarded the fast train to SMB upstreaming haha
[19:30:07] <tsoome> yep
[19:30:24] <tsoome> +1 for his work:)
[19:30:36] <tsoome> anyhow, it is community
[19:31:11] <azarus> If one wants something to read/study illumos operation, is Solaris documentation applicable, and if so, what versions?
[19:31:27] <rmustacc> I'd probably start with our documentation.
[19:31:31] <LeftWing> It depends on which distribution you're trying to use, too.
[19:31:34] <azarus> (i'll stop with the questions soon, I'm sorry)
[19:31:35] <rmustacc> Some Solaris stuff applies, but it is a bit hit and miss.
[19:31:41] <rmustacc> Don't worry, questions are fine.
[19:32:12] <LeftWing> https://illumos.org has some links out to some distros and deeper into other docs
[19:32:37] <tsoome> btw, Im leaving for week long vacation tomorrow and leave my laptop behind. so anything urgent needs to wait:)
[19:32:47] <LeftWing> tsoome: Enjoy, siR!
[19:32:48] <rmustacc> Have a nice vacation.
[19:32:57] <LeftWing> Where are you going?
[19:32:59] <azarus> Enjoy!
[19:33:05] <tsoome> thanks, Rhodos
[19:33:21] <LeftWing> That looks nice
[19:33:39] <kvik> would the community be interested in a patch for man(1) to enable the printing of paths to the found manual pages, i.e. what the -w flag in bsd version does?
[19:33:50] <LeftWing> I should think so!
[19:34:35] <LeftWing> I think you could add -L as analogous to -l, but with just the programmatically useful output
[19:34:53] <kvik> yea, that's exactly the flag i thought to use :)
[19:35:54] <kvik> i shall figure out how to make it happen during my work hours (very slow days :)
[19:36:14] <azarus> naughty, naughty
[19:36:19] <LeftWing> $ man -l read | awk '{ gsub("[()]", " "); } { printf("%s/man%s/%s.%s ", $4, $2, $1, $2); } END { printf("\n"); }'
[19:36:21] <LeftWing> /usr/man/man1/read.1 /usr/man/man2/read.2 /usr/man/man9e/read.9e /opt/local/man/mann/read.n
[19:36:23] <LeftWing> Would it do this?
[19:36:34] <rmustacc> kvik: If you have any questions don't hesitate to reach out here and we can help get you sorted.
[19:36:38] <kvik> LeftWing: yep, that's it
[19:36:45] <LeftWing> Then yes, I think that's a good idea!
[19:37:08] <LeftWing> It seems like -l already composes with -s for section selection
[19:37:09] <kvik> rmustacc: thanks, i'll sure do
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[20:04:39] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 11093 libsocket: NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
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[20:53:55] <richlowe> Woodstock: were you working on a tools copy of the ld(1)?
[20:54:04] <richlowe> s/ the//
[21:02:25] <jlevon> richlowe: hey, what's the gcc test suite status now?
[21:20:54] <richlowe> aside from -fno-omit-frame-pointer, good
[21:20:58] <richlowe> what's wrong?
[21:24:00] <neirac> How do I use zlogin to execute a script inside a zone?. The script only works when I zlogin inside the zone, maybe I need nohup with zlogin ? I'm trying this PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin USER=git GITEA_CUSTOM=/data/gitea /usr/bin/entrypoint
[21:24:41] <richlowe> does 'zlogin env <what you have there>' not work?
[21:24:54] <richlowe> uh, with a zonename and maybe a username, obviously :)
[21:24:58] <richlowe> does 'zlogin myzone -l me env <what you have there>' not work?
[21:25:54] <neirac> let me try again, it seemed to work but let me restart the zone.
[21:33:52] <Woodstock> richlowe: not yet
[21:34:12] <Woodstock> richlowe: it's on my todo list, but i don't know when i'll get around to actually do it
[21:34:16] <richlowe> ok.
[21:34:24] <jlevon> richlowe: just wondering what's actually stopping gcc7 happening
[21:35:26] <richlowe> I don't know
[21:35:38] <richlowe> jlevon: andyf seemed to want 7.4 rather than 7.3
[21:35:57] <richlowe> that's the only thing I know of except the gcc IPD which is only slightly related
[21:36:18] <richlowe> (to the extent it'd tell him what to do about getting 7.4.)
[21:37:27] <richlowe> jlevon: I haven't personally done the ctf/dtrace/etc. tests recently, I suppose
[21:37:44] <richlowe> but I also haven't done any of the work on the illumos-gate side, I assume those who have, have.
[21:38:51] <richlowe> jlevon: if we're talking about rm, I'm not sure we ever decided what to do about the thunk naming either.
[21:41:10] <richlowe> jlevon: and the outstanding comment on the IPD is the ISA of the gcc binary one, which I'm hoping others have views on
[21:41:31] <richlowe> jlevon: but if you wanted to build an amd64 gcc and see if it materially affected the output with illumos, that'd certainly help. :)
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[21:51:49] <jlevon> richlowe: is there any reason the thunk thing should actually get in the way?
[21:52:14] <jlevon> richlowe: WRT dtrace/ctf I'm happy from diffing all our stuff as part of the last pass.
[21:52:25] <richlowe> jlevon: as hacks go, it's unpleasant, but no.
[21:54:12] <jlevon> re the ISA thing, I see no reason to experiment with a different build right now.
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[21:54:42] <richlowe> I got the impression the reason I was asked was that people have taken it upon themselves to do so anyway
[21:56:31] <richlowe> but no, I don't feel the need to care beyond making it clear we haven't.
[21:57:27] <jlevon> FWIW OI's gcc is 32-bit too.
[21:57:55] <richlowe> so it seems like you and tsoome are free to go ahead?
[21:58:14] <richlowe> and I'll kick this ipd to published and push the work-in-progress 7.4 and 8.3 when I get a moment.
[21:58:41] <tsoome> you mean, we should be cool with gcc7?
[21:58:49] <neirac> richlowe, thanks!, it seems I was doing something wrong I'll recheck.
[21:59:19] <ptribble> this is still with gcc4 as secondary, right?
[21:59:24] <jlevon> I'll float a patch to switch primary=7, shadow=4 and see what happens
[22:00:17] <richlowe> Oh, yeah, the other problem with 7 is nobody has done any of the work for sparc.
[22:00:36] <richlowe> but as far as I know, since they've not started, waiting seems optimistic at best.
[22:00:44] <jlevon> yup
[22:01:08] <tsoome> I have all dev builds with 7 as primary
[22:01:22] <ptribble> I suspect this is another "opportunity"
[22:01:32] <richlowe> ptribble: oh, you're gonna have such fun.
[22:01:50] <ptribble> gulp
[22:01:55] <neirac> richlowe thanks, now is working it was an alpine docker image, env was at /usr/bin/env now the image works
[22:03:07] <richlowe> ptribble: I still think for syscalls the answer is to switch to uap throughout
[22:03:23] <ptribble> still, part of the plan is to make the amount of sparc-specific code to deal with rather smaller than it is at present
[22:03:24] <richlowe> ptribble: for mis-aligned ldd/std, I don't know. I never saw the problems it apparently causes.
[22:03:44] <richlowe> ptribble: there's also a gcc flag or attribute or something that may help with the syscall issue, but I can't remember what it is.
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[22:17:41] <ptribble> Ugh. https://www.illumos.org/issues/2757
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[22:21:10] <jlevon> "Difficulty changed from Hard to Expert"
[22:21:11] <jlevon> hah
[22:22:27] <ptribble> rules me out then
[22:23:00] <LeftWing> ptribble: If I buy a shitty SPARC desktop, do you think I'll be able to install Tribblix and build illumos-gate?
[22:24:23] <ptribble> how shitty? I haven't built the gate on a sparc desktop since the pilot
[22:24:23] <richlowe> ptribble: that's why I suggest switching to uap throughout
[22:24:48] <ptribble> didn't we used to be uap, and switched?
[22:24:58] <richlowe> ptribble: deep in the past, yeah
[22:25:09] <richlowe> doing it as-if-native is faster, since there's no load, etc.
[22:25:13] <LeftWing> ptribble: What about a ... Blade 150? :D
[22:25:13] <richlowe> but it also runs you into that issue
[22:25:23] <richlowe> LeftWing: any blade with only 3 digits is not a thing you want.
[22:25:30] <LeftWing> I've had one in the past
[22:25:32] <LeftWing> It's been a long time
[22:26:29] <richlowe> ptribble: so if you pass them all uap, things should stay of the right nature, and you'd be fine (if somewhat slower)
[22:26:35] <ptribble> Um, Blade 150. Did that, back in the pilot, took all day.
[22:26:52] <richlowe> Blade xxxx and Ultra?5 should be about equivalent-ish
[22:26:56] <richlowe> and still slow,
[22:26:59] <richlowe> but not that slow
[22:27:11] <LeftWing> Oooh, Netra X1
[22:27:18] <richlowe> that'll take all two days.
[22:27:22] <LeftWing> :D
[22:27:29] <richlowe> with sun4u "all day" is actually the middle ground.
[22:27:41] <ptribble> I should probably try my Blade 2000
[22:27:43] <LeftWing> What is a V210 in a desktop case
[22:27:53] <LeftWing> Is that ~Blade 1000 ?
[22:27:55] <richlowe> ptribble: so I'd in order, look for the gdb flag/attribute I can't remember, switch to uap on sparc.
[22:28:13] <richlowe> ptribble: re-implement the gcc flag I added
[22:29:00] <ptribble> The T5140 takes a couple hours, but there's actually a significant non-parallel part of the build which is pretty awful on niagara
[22:29:11] <jbk> heh.. i have an ultra 10 in storage.. i don't even want to know how long it'd take to build on it :)
[22:29:53] <richlowe> ptribble: there are a few, and you should fix them! :)
[22:37:20] <ptribble> LeftWing: desktop equivalent of a V210 would probably be a Blade 2500 (US-IIIi)
[22:38:42] <LeftWing> Goodness these things have become expensive
[22:39:15] <alanc> yeah, V210 & SB2500 were both in the enchilada generation
[22:40:14] <richlowe> You just wanted to say "The enchilada generation"
[22:40:36] <ptribble> Working desktops still have a strong following, but short on supply
[22:40:39] <LeftWing> lol
[22:40:48] <LeftWing> ptribble: Yes, it seems that way.
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[22:49:23] <richlowe> LeftWing now a sparc loving go person.
[22:49:25] <richlowe> it's a shame to see
[22:49:35] <LeftWing> Just trying to help
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[22:55:28] <andyf> richlowe - it's an OmniOS user that wants some specific C++ fixes from gcc 7.4... and I just don't want to have to maintain two :)
[22:55:46] <andyf> jlevon - good news re: OI gcc.. if we're all on 32-bit ISA for that, then we're consistent
[22:56:04] * jlevon nods
[22:56:05] <andyf> I did test 64-bit gcc.. it was significantly slower (I think up to 33% slower)
[22:56:12] <andyf> that was a couple of years ago
[22:56:20] <richlowe> andyf: I'm not sure it's worth calling out the isa in the IPD, as opposed to the implication that you'd have to do all the testing
[22:56:23] <richlowe> in which case if it passed...
[22:56:41] <richlowe> andyf: I'll push the wip 7.4 when I get the ipd published, and you can do/can't follow the ipd with it as you desire
[22:57:14] <andyf> thanks - our 7.4 branch is on github too, so at least comparison will be easy
[22:57:26] <andyf> IIRC it was just inserting a `const` somewhere that was needed
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[23:04:12] <richlowe> yeah, I have the branch and done the comparison and what not.
[23:04:36] <richlowe> just seemed rude to follow the IPD without it being done first :)
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[23:26:51] <LeftWing> Would that I still had all this crap -- https://sysmgr.org/~leftwing/files/exodus.jpg
[23:27:56] <richlowe> you'd have one maybe ok machine for it, and a lot of crap?
[23:28:48] <richlowe> I mean, I get the motivation.
[23:28:55] <richlowe> but it's a very dot-com boom trunk
[23:29:53] <LeftWing> It was a very dot-com boom garage: https://sysmgr.org/~leftwing/files/rack_photo.jpg
[23:30:31] <andyf> I still have a stack of V210s and V215s, some T6340 blades and a T5... but not doing anything useful :(
[23:30:41] <LeftWing> Send me a V215? :P
[23:31:26] <andyf> Can you imagine the shipping? :)
[23:31:49] <LeftWing> I cannot!
[23:31:49] <andyf> I might be able to stick one in a datacentre and give you access.. but they pull quite a bit of power for what they are
[23:31:54] <LeftWing> They sure do
[23:32:08] <andyf> I think the V210s take 1A (at ~240V)
[23:32:12] <daleg> oh my
[23:32:23] <daleg> is that a Livingston Portmaster 2e I see there
[23:32:47] <richlowe> I let the smoke out of one of those, I believe.
[23:33:20] <LeftWing> daleg: I believe it was a Lucent era one, yes
[23:33:42] <LeftWing> I think I finally managed to get an 2511RJ later on
[23:33:51] <daleg> pm2e was the first thing I touched when I started working at a mom-n-pop dialup ISP during high school in 1994
[23:34:11] <bdha> Helium had some T5120s I can't imagine are getting any use. Will see what The Professor says about 'em.
[23:34:26] <andyf> Do you remember the Lightwave terminal servers? I think they were what got bundled on the PO for Sun Cluster
[23:34:48] <daleg> yes, and I recall them being problematic but I can remember why
[23:35:05] <richlowe> I let the smoke out of a fairly early ipkvm too
[23:35:07] <LeftWing> We only ever got Sun Cluster as software at the Uni.
[23:35:10] <richlowe> I have some kind of remote console curse
[23:35:22] <andyf> I always wanted one of them.. brushed aluminium and card based
[23:35:24] <LeftWing> bdha: Thanks!
[23:36:08] <daleg> oh a casual UltraSPARC 450 (or something like it) there in the background
[23:36:33] <daleg> changing out the disk backplane on that chassis was the worst
[23:36:45] <richlowe> post dot-com, they fell like rain
[23:36:55] <richlowe> which I assume means fairly rairly in .au ;)
[23:37:28] <daleg> 450 also had the problematic Psycho PCI bridge
[23:37:44] <daleg> man I loved the codenames
[23:37:54] <LeftWing> I had a pair of E450s yeah
[23:38:53] <andyf> This was a sad day for us https://paste.ec/paste/ZuRku7ao#kOgBYVTwyUi9Ib2ifbJajOfp-2KsRa3Q2mIm7+vqYrx
[23:39:07] <andyf> but it's when we first switched to OmniOS
[23:39:14] <LeftWing> oof
[23:39:39] <LeftWing> In the defence of throwing them all out, they're economically useless
[23:39:40] <jperkin> heh, and I thought we had a lot of 1u Suns
[23:39:53] <LeftWing> That _is_ a lot of them though
[23:39:58] <LeftWing> What were they for?
[23:40:14] <andyf> Mail scanners
[23:40:32] <andyf> Back before everyone moved to Messagelabs and then O365..
[23:41:04] <LeftWing> Ahh
[23:41:41] <andyf> Before that, we ran on E220Rs
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[23:42:24] <daleg> 4ru per sever to 1ru, and a lot less power munch
[23:42:31] <jbk> did the 220s have the massive run of bad cpu modules that the 420Rs did?
[23:42:53] <andyf> We never had anything.. we had a load of bad PSUs in the V210s though
[23:42:58] <daleg> the e$ isotope problem?
[23:42:58] <jbk> IIRC it was a bad solder joint somewhere on the cartridge
[23:43:02] <daleg> oh
[23:43:12] <jbk> yeah, that was the earlier problem :)
[23:43:42] <jbk> one of my coworkers built a kit w/ hemostats and various other things
[23:43:58] <jbk> because we had to take 5-10 servers down overnight each weekend to check serial numbers
[23:44:06] <jbk> and then be ready to replace any that were bad
[23:44:15] <jbk> took the better part of a year
[23:44:52] <rzezeski> LeftWing: next time I drive out to SF I'll gladly load the T2 I bought and give it to you. I'm obviously never going to do anything with it.
[23:45:26] <LeftWing> Haha
[23:45:48] <rzezeski> I plugged it in once. It was loud as fuck. I unplugged it and put it in the closet.
[23:45:57] <LeftWing> Yes they scream a bit
[23:46:22] <rzezeski> I though a 737 was taking off over my house.
[23:46:45] <LeftWing> Small radius, big noise
[23:46:58] <jbk> rzezeski: ever hear an E10k when the SSP (I can't remember if that's what it was called on them now) was offline?
[23:47:03] <rzezeski> I was on edge for hours after that.
[23:47:58] <rzezeski> jbk: I was in HS when the E10K was a thing. So no.
[23:48:15] <andyf> I've never heard the E10K, but the blade 6000 chassis is very loud if you pull the control module (whatever that's called)
[23:49:43] <andyf> CMM I think
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[23:50:06] <richlowe> rzezeski: did it stay loud?
[23:50:55] <richlowe> in the same way as the frontend missing, a bunch of machines run at full until the sensors come online too
[23:51:04] <richlowe> and some (most?) have that controlled by picld
[23:51:12] <richlowe> so until it starts and if it crashes, full blast.
[23:51:15] <rzezeski> I dunno I almost beat the thing with a baseball bat because my adrenaline spiked so high. I shut it down quick.
[23:51:20] <rzezeski> And yes it was on FULL BLAST
[23:51:24] <jbk> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jnWCYIvMck&t=3m45s
[23:51:46] <richlowe> I mean, you should give it to LeftWing anyway, but it's possible it would have calmed down a bit.
[23:52:02] <richlowe> which is great, because it means if the power blips during the night, you get woken up by what sounds like a tornado
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[23:52:26] <rzezeski> Yea I bought it to clean up sun sun4v specific stuff in MAC but the reality is I'm never gonna take the time to do that work because I have better things to do with my free time :)
[23:55:15] <LeftWing> My goal is chiefly to avoid us making the SPARC build worse while ptribble is inching us towards a world where we can cross build
[23:56:01] <LeftWing> I'd rather he not have to spend most or all of his energy just catching up to master all the time
[23:56:10] <ptribble> Amen to that
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[23:59:10] <alanc> hmm, there is the prototype T2 workstation in the hall outside my office, but it has no power supply, so I don't know if it still works
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