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[00:01:17] <alanc> BSDs got away with changing time_t to 64-bit in 32-bit processes by not having a stable ABI and just telling everyone to recompile every bit of software they had (the things you can do when no one makes proprietary/commercial software for your platform)
[00:05:30] <richlowe> that also makes the pleasing assumption people used time_t
[00:06:15] <richlowe> I wouldn't want to bet against finding software that used 'int' or 'long' even in the OS itself.
[00:06:55] <richlowe> that's what I meant by checking it stuff was 64bit clean possibly being nearly equivalent.
[00:07:50] <LeftWing> richlowe: I understand it's kernel agnostic; my point is that there are no kernels we ship anymore where the best answer isn't possible; viz., just build things 64-bit from now on.
[00:08:49] <richlowe> which brings us back to whether things are _otherwise_ 64bit clean
[00:08:59] <LeftWing> Yeah, which in the limit is worth solving anyway
[00:09:10] <richlowe> I'm in favour of whatever method someone else uses.
[00:09:33] <LeftWing> I think that tilts firmly in the favour of not doing largetime then :P
[00:13:52] <richlowe> LeftWing: speaking of (and also of our other conversation), why did we not delete cscope yet?
[00:13:59] <LeftWing> I
[00:14:04] <LeftWing> don't know?
[00:14:15] <richlowe> we talked about it, right? and how everyone we could think of that new it existed used the good one now.
[00:14:17] <LeftWing> Doesn't it understand some assembly header entrypoint thing that other things don't understand
[00:14:19] <richlowe> which was orders of magnitude faster.
[00:14:30] <richlowe> that... does not sound like a hard patch?
[00:14:42] <richlowe> presuming you just mean "knows ENTRY and ENTRY_NP are definitions"
[00:14:49] <LeftWing> Yes I think that's what I mena
[00:14:51] <LeftWing> *mean
[00:15:09] <richlowe> to be honest, I also didn't know it did that and never assumed it'd work
[00:15:15] <LeftWing> ha
[00:15:44] <richlowe> a definition search of mutex_enter suggests it doesn't work
[00:15:55] <LeftWing> With cscope-fast ?
[00:16:05] <LeftWing> Or with the modern one?
[00:16:29] <richlowe> not even sure I can untangle my ~/bin/ magic to tell!
[00:16:32] <richlowe> so good question!
[00:16:51] <LeftWing> I am not in any way wedded to the one in the gate, anyway, if that's what you're asking
[00:17:21] <LeftWing> Does it .... I seem to recall the one in the gate will only show you ten matches, no matter how tall the terminal is?
[00:17:31] <LeftWing> I remember being frustrated by that, anyway, at some point
[00:17:35] <richlowe> I don't really use the curses stuff
[00:17:38] <richlowe> but that sounds right
[00:17:45] <richlowe> because doesn't it use 0-9 as hotkeys for them?
[00:17:56] <LeftWing> Yes, that sounds about right. The modern one uses ... more buttons.
[00:18:15] <richlowe> https://gist.github.com/richlowe/1722376
[00:18:17] <richlowe> the one true path
[00:18:34] <LeftWing> ha
[00:18:39] <LeftWing> wow
[00:18:42] <richlowe> (that's an old gist, lemme update it)
[00:20:48] <richlowe> there, now with version sniffing and annoying incompatibilities magic
[00:32:25] <LeftWing> There's a man who knows his cscope!
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[02:58:40] <ryaeng> No cscope.out. What am I missing.
[02:58:42] <ryaeng> ?*
[03:01:33] <richlowe> xref -x cscope
[03:01:41] <richlowe> or cscope -bR
[03:01:43] <richlowe> or whatnot
[03:03:54] <rmustacc> https://www.illumos.org/books/dev/workflow.html#cscope
[03:09:55] <richlowe> rmustacc: well, the earlier part of the discussion was about our cscope being crap.
[03:10:10] <richlowe> rmustacc: so cscope -R is perhaps as good an answer in many cases :)
[03:12:34] <rmustacc> They're both equally problematic, tbh.
[03:12:57] <rmustacc> Until I manually built cscope.files the classic cscope -R missed a lot of stuff I needed.
[03:13:18] <rmustacc> I was just trying to help answer the question of how to get it with our officialish docs, that's all.
[03:14:03] <richlowe> rmustacc: I use a (modified) xref to drive the better cscope
[03:14:21] <richlowe> I presume if we were to delete the crummy one, we'd also fix xref
[03:14:30] <rmustacc> Fair enough.
[03:14:56] <richlowe> it's a shame xref uses the sufficient magic to need an active environment
[03:14:57] <rmustacc> I've always wanted to go in and fix things to reduce false positives or debug missing things.
[03:15:20] <rmustacc> But since I've never done that, no sense getting in your way.
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[03:33:52] <LeftWing> I'd love if we had a way to gag the nonsense files under libbc and boot :P
[03:35:45] <richlowe> and libast
[03:35:48] <richlowe> how could you forget libast
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[03:42:31] <LeftWing> Oh, yes indeed
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[04:11:00] <jbk> because we'd all like to? :)
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[05:48:03] <richlowe> jbk: I already made LeftWing sad with that conversation
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[08:06:42] <tsoome> richlowe: sorry, my colloquy did crash and I lost what you did ask..
[08:11:57] <tsoome> ah, found the log..
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[12:25:06] <leoric> tsoome: re https://www.illumos.org/rb/r/1824 - are you sure you ever want to see red on white? ;)
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[12:34:14] <igork> black on black will be fine :) no errors :)
[12:35:36] <igork> no testing info. also, if i don't want to use this scheme - how to safely disable it ? will be much more better implement flag for illumos.sh
[12:36:51] <igork> i mean - enable/disable new scheme and use old default
[12:43:14] <leoric> the change is about that - it allows you to redefine scheme in illumos.sh
[12:50:08] <igork> i don't want change current scheme
[14:08:08] <tsoome> leoric: it is there for purpose of example:)
[14:13:18] <tsoome> now… how I could possibly trigger that panic…
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[14:22:29] <igork> tsoome: nmi
[14:29:12] <leoric> tsoome: will this upset me when I when I do debug build ?
[14:31:54] <leoric> I'd preserved default as is for both debug and non-debug
[14:32:06] <leoric> but perhaps, it's just bikeshedding
[14:38:30] <tsoome> well, I will not rewrite build system, it is as it it is. If someone is not happy about it, start fixing:)
[14:39:10] <tsoome> I’ll provide the fishing rod, not a fish:)
[14:40:03] <leoric> I'm whining not aboutt build system, just asking to keep current default as is
[14:41:08] <leoric> the ability to configure it is a good thing
[14:41:22] <tsoome> ah i see what you mean.
[14:45:57] <leoric> (personally I'd like this to land prior to OI 2019.04 and get fully white on black OI back :) )
[14:46:31] <tsoome> I wonder if nightly will source env for each pass
[14:47:57] <tsoome> you can turn it back even now, the question is, how easy it is
[14:49:02] <leoric> now we have
[14:49:03] <leoric> set tem.fg_color=white
[14:49:03] <leoric> set tem.bg_color=black
[14:49:07] <leoric> in loader.rc
[14:49:42] <leoric> but it's applied not immediately after loader start
[14:49:44] <tsoome> you can also switch the lines in tem_impl.h
[14:50:50] <leoric> one more patch? I'm usually not comfortable with this... This tends to break builds when patched files are touched
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[14:51:40] <tsoome> well, i am not saying it is the best option, but it is option.
[14:54:03] <leoric> so far we managed to keep only two patches - one-liner for nlipkg brand and one for usermod (https://www.illumos.org/issues/7648)
[14:59:07] <tsoome> yea ok, env file is read only once, so if we want to specify 2 instances, both need to be set in env.
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[15:02:27] <leoric> I'm not sure I follow you
[15:02:52] <leoric> do you mean cases with both debug/non-debug build?
[15:03:12] <tsoome> yes
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[17:46:11] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 10849 installboot: use err.h api and strdup() -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
[17:50:25] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 10551 kbtrans: autorepeat should have limit on repeat count -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
[17:53:31] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 10872 sd: NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
[17:56:47] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 10850 loader: smatch build setup -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
[18:01:19] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 10859 mdb: move mdb_nicenum() to mdb_modapi.c -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
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[18:59:17] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 10890 mdb crashes on invalid ::walk softstate -- Robert Mustacchi <rm at joyent dot com>
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[19:34:47] <alanc> richlowe: I have now pushed the fix for '29587154 man pages should stop saying "CRT" to mean "monitor" or "terminal"' to our man page gate, I hope you're satsified at what you've made me do
[19:35:15] <alanc> I'll let you and ptribble decide who gets to fix yours
[19:45:12] <LeftWing> lol
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[20:03:20] <alanc> to be fair, I set myself up for his taunting when I tweeted about pushing https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xorg/app/xrefresh/commit/83eda01d6b8d448c6ac3cbdde92bf50a766e9c57
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[22:28:18] <richlowe> rmustacc: am I the only reviewer on make, or can I approve it?
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[22:30:10] <tsoome> +1 from me too
[22:31:52] <richlowe> actually, Gordon already approved it
[22:31:54] <richlowe> just confusingly
[22:35:45] <tsoome> the pppcomp is last one using old zlib, but I have doubts about if we even should support ppp :)
[22:36:42] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 10697 zmod: use zlib-1.2.11 -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
[22:37:58] <jbk> i'd like to keep ppp (granted for some esoteric uses)
[22:38:11] <tsoome> :)
[22:38:23] <jbk> but if you have a remote server w/ a wireless modem, IIRC, you end up speaking PPP over it
[22:38:35] <jbk> err cellular modem
[22:38:38] <tsoome> the issue with pppcomp is that the zlib there is a bit modified with extra mode
[22:39:35] <tsoome> from log we can see that it has been updated at least once, but to prove the update is done correctly...
[22:45:13] <sjorge> Is it me or is the bug tracker super slow
[22:45:44] <tsoome> think there is some problem, rbt post gave me some error
[22:45:55] <tsoome> but did recover on second attempt
[22:47:23] <tsoome> stuff: https://paste.ec/paste/kVNS3SrC#qyV5dXKffozQFVNGsmhlTNCmg7SvGJ2CIiE071Fp3N0
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[23:46:22] <richlowe> jbk: it is not the past.
[23:50:55] <richlowe> jbk: (also, oil people need to figure out wifi already)
[23:58:58] <igork> ctfconvert: CTF conversion failed: failed to get unsigned attribute for type: DW_DLE_ATTR_FORM_BAD (114)
[23:59:00] <jbk> at $JOB-1 we actually used point to point wifi for most of the meters back to a master device that had a cell modem
[23:59:20] <jbk> so instead of like 400 modems (and thus 400+ cellular devices) there was something like 4
[23:59:28] <igork> try to port TRIP from ZoL and ctfconvert failed
[23:59:40] <igork> *TRIM
[23:59:57] <igork> how to identify - what symbol broken?
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