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[02:08:39] <LeftWing> ryaeng: Stuck as in it takes a long time?
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[02:51:53] <ryaeng_> LeftWing: Stuck as in it didn't appear to be doing anything. I'll check it again when I get home.
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[04:13:39] <ryaeng> LeftWing: Looks like it may have been an issue with the amount of resources given to the VM by default. Increased RAM from 2 to 4GB of RAM. It's working now. :-(
[04:13:56] <LeftWing> Ah, yes; unfortunately pkg can be a bit of a memory hog
[04:14:03] <LeftWing> Sorry, I didn't think to ask
[04:14:19] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 10507 NO_GENUNIX_UNIQUIFY has no effect -- Matt Ahrens <mahrens at delphix dot com>
[04:14:32] <ryaeng> What's your recommendation as far as building illumos goes?
[04:16:04] <LeftWing> ryaeng: One of my build VMs is 8GB with 4 VCPUs
[04:16:30] <LeftWing> It seems to work OK in there. I think it might well work with 4GB too, but it's been a little while since I've tried a VM that small for a build.
[04:17:04] <ryaeng> Also, is there any benefit to using OmniOS over OpenIndiana?
[04:17:29] <LeftWing> They're different distributions with a slightly different approach, etc
[04:17:34] <LeftWing> Both use pkg, though
[04:18:40] <ryaeng> Should have phrased that question differently. Is there any advantage to building on one versus the other?
[04:19:10] <LeftWing> Oh! Not to my knowledge. There are slightly different instructions for getting everything in the right place on each one.
[04:20:32] <ryaeng> Got it. Do you build in a VM? What kind of machine are you running on?
[04:21:04] <ryaeng> Updates have finished.
[04:21:10] <LeftWing> I do build in a few different VMs yeah
[04:21:59] <LeftWing> I have a SmartOS server (with a Xeon-D thing in it) that has an OI VM on it, and then I have another VM on a 2 socket machine in the lab at work.
[04:22:40] <ryaeng> Nice. I just have an older MacBook Pro from work. 4 cores w/16GB of RAM.
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[05:08:32] <ryaeng> So... the default VM came with 16GB of storage.
[05:08:55] <ryaeng> Expanded the disk to 50GB. Looking for how to expand the partition/volumes to 50GB.
[05:09:00] <ryaeng> Thoughts?
[05:13:32] <LeftWing> That's a good question
[05:14:00] <LeftWing> ryaeng: When you look at "zpool status", what's the name of the disk device in your pool? (it'll be something like c1t0d0)
[05:14:20] <ryaeng> c5t0d0s0
[05:14:47] <LeftWing> Can you put the output of "prtvtoc /dev/rdsk/c5t0d0s0" into gist.github.com or some other pastebin?
[05:16:54] <ryaeng> I get No such file or directory when running that command.
[05:19:13] <ryaeng> Nvm. I got the command to run.
[05:19:17] <ryaeng> I'll see if I can get it up.
[05:30:00] <ryaeng_> https://gist.github.com/ryaeng/f21249ee576cb5c5da04dbe27c563ed3
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[07:08:25] <tsoome> zpool set autoexpand=on rpool should do
[07:09:19] <tsoome> ou, but you have something different there
[07:10:25] <tsoome> ah, it is not GPT, it is MBR+VTOC, so you need to fix fdisk and VTOC first
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[10:08:45] <despair86> >joyent is a different beast
[10:09:02] <despair86> inb4 samsung triton sdc
[10:09:08] * despair86 sweats profusely
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[14:39:22] <ryaeng> I was able to create a new partition using fdisk.
[14:39:33] <ryaeng> Trying to figure out how to grows the rpool.
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[14:51:55] <ullbeking> Good afternoon all
[14:52:15] <ullbeking> I was just thinking. ...
[14:53:14] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 10812 ctf tools shouldn't add blank labels -- Robert Mustacchi <rm at joyent dot com>
[14:53:15] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 10814 Want primordial CTF test suite -- Robert Mustacchi <rm at joyent dot com>
[14:53:16] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 10816 ctf_dwarf_convert_type() relies on un-initialized id -- John Levon <john.levon at joyent dot com>
[14:53:17] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 10822 ctfdump -c should include non-root types -- John Levon <john.levon at joyent dot com>
[14:53:18] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 10823 should ignore DW_TAG_subprogram with DW_AT_declaration tags -- John Levon <john.levon at joyent dot com>
[14:53:19] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 10827 some symbols have the wrong CTF type -- John Levon <john.levon at joyent dot com>
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[14:55:12] <ullbeking> Considering that FreeNAS makes for quite a nice appliance type of ZFS based file server, then doesn't it follow that an appliance type of ZFS file server based on Illumos be a really great one?
[14:56:15] <ullbeking> Especially if you have a background/interest in Sun / Sparc type computing, eg Solaris?
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[14:59:55] <mnowak_> GCC 9.1 released: https://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-9/changes.html
[15:03:14] <mnowak_> and please forward your GCC patches upstream https://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc/2018-10/msg00141.html :)
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[15:04:12] <jlevon> pff. they're not interested.
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[15:06:37] <ryaeng> LeftWing: I officially broke it. I created a new partition to try and grow the rpool to no avail. After reboot, the machine wouldn't boot. Reinstalling os now.
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[15:25:31] <tsoome> ryaeng: so, what went wrong?
[15:25:59] <tsoome> ryaeng: as you are reinstalling, do yourself a favor and use whole disk setup.
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[15:27:08] <tsoome> ullbeking: there always are some “but”’s
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[15:30:06] <ullbeking> tsoome "but's" imply there is some context... and I am not getting it. Could you please explain?
[15:30:22] <ullbeking> My question is naive
[15:30:47] <ullbeking> I am new to Illumos AND ZFS
[15:31:20] <ullbeking> But I used BSD a long time ago
[15:31:29] <tsoome> I know in the past the freenas has had port for illumos, I do not know about the current state.
[15:31:41] <tsoome> so the management experience may vary.
[15:32:37] <jellydonut> someone made one of those a while ago
[15:32:38] <jellydonut> nexenta
[15:32:58] <jellydonut> they had a storage appliance version of their opensolaris distribution.. but i don't know if it still exists
[15:33:00] <ullbeking> How well would Illumos (or whichever variant works on Sparc ) work on a Sun Blade 10?
[15:33:05] <tsoome> also the zfs does have some differences - we are doing what we can to make features available, but it all does take time…
[15:34:04] <ullbeking> Ofc it takes time, but I can't see why NOT to use illumos for my NAS
[15:34:27] <Agnar> ullbeking: there is no Blade 10, just a 100 and a 1000. There are some distributions that will work, but most of them without graphics and/or pretty outdated. most recents would be tribblix and dilos
[15:34:28] <ullbeking> (On new x86 hw to start with )
[15:35:17] <tsoome> the sb100 itself is rather old anyhow:)
[15:35:30] <ullbeking> Sorry I meant Ultra 10
[15:35:38] <tsoome> even older:D
[15:35:44] <ullbeking> Lol
[15:35:55] <ullbeking> Worth trying Illumos on?
[15:36:19] <ullbeking> Not as a nas just an experiment
[15:36:34] <Agnar> nope, U10 is slow as hell.
[15:36:40] <tsoome> well, it was able to run solaris 10 without X…
[15:36:47] <ullbeking> Sorry I am having two threads of questions here
[15:37:19] <Agnar> well, if you put scsi in the u10 it might be ok. and of course ram.
[15:37:56] <tsoome> except the ram is probably hard to get
[15:38:01] <ullbeking> Indeed
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[15:41:16] <ullbeking> OK, last punt Sparc - wise.... how about a t5120?
[15:48:02] <ryaeng> tsoome: I created a second partition for the remaining space on the drive. I ran a few commands to no avail. After reboot the machine wouldn't come up. Could have spent more time on it but I figured I didn't have much to lose by reinstalling the machine. Installing updates again... I'll let you know should I run into isuses.
[15:52:38] <ullbeking> LeftWing do you work at Joyent?
[15:57:18] <ullbeking> I was super impressed years ago when I saw them pick up pkgsrc, which I think is the best packaging system out there
[15:58:30] <Agnar> SunOS pshell 5.11 glasgall_oi_151a_prestable8 sun4v sparc SUNW,SPARC-Enterprise-T5220
[15:58:40] <Agnar> ullbeking: that's where my irssi runs on
[15:59:52] <ullbeking> Ooh!
[16:00:09] <ullbeking> You're on there now?
[16:01:05] <Agnar> yes.
[16:01:13] <ullbeking> Agnar what other services does that machine run?
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[16:01:44] <Agnar> ullbeking: my personal stuff. mail, web, etc
[16:02:27] <ullbeking> Agnar but it's running Solaris?
[16:02:49] <Agnar> ullbeking: see the uname output, nope
[16:03:38] <ullbeking> I did look at the uname output but I am a noob
[16:04:12] <ullbeking> It's not plain Sunos?
[16:04:21] <Agnar> it's illumos
[16:04:30] <Agnar> pretty old though
[16:04:40] <ullbeking> Cool!!!!
[16:05:11] <ullbeking> Sorry for the inane questions BTW
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[16:05:34] <ullbeking> I'm just doing a little feasibility study
[16:06:05] <ullbeking> Thank you all
[16:07:52] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 10766 ibcm: NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
[16:08:21] <jperkin> ullbeking: to bring things full circle, an ultra 10 was my first Solaris desktop back in 2001 when I first started working on pkgsrc for Solaris (and now maintain it for illumos)
[16:08:49] <tsoome> real bug found thanks to NULL being a pointer.
[16:09:05] <tsoome> (which we do not yet have)
[16:10:28] <ullbeking> jperkin I love these kinds of stories, where things come full circle :-)
[16:11:28] <ullbeking> BTW, which version Solaria would you recommend for balance of features and speed?
[16:15:52] <ullbeking> I got mine for free , which was fantastic because I have nostalgia for Sunos 4.1.4 and will try to find that too
[16:19:33] <Agnar> ullbeking: SunOS 4.1.4 does not work on Ultras
[16:20:11] <ullbeking> Oh yes, different cpu
[16:21:11] <ullbeking> But my point was entering back into that world of Sun, where I first learned Unix
[16:21:36] <ullbeking> Anyway,have a nice evening all
[16:25:23] <neirac> ullbeking nice evening to you too.
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[16:29:54] <ullbeking> Thank you neirac
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[19:05:10] <ryaeng> LeftWing: Build finished. Took just over an hour.
[19:07:10] <LeftWing> Nice!
[19:10:16] <ryaeng> I got an error though.
[19:10:49] <ryaeng> error writing to /tmp/nightly.tmpdir.3857/ccmZaaiu.s: No space left on device
[19:11:54] <igork> ryaeng: add to illumos.sh: export TMPDIR=/var/tmp
[19:15:24] <ryaeng> igork: Thank you. Done. Building now.
[19:15:42] <LeftWing> Huh, that's odd
[19:16:21] <LeftWing> I got that on my build machine yesterday too
[19:16:30] <LeftWing> It feels like something has changed recently :\
[19:18:07] <tsoome> shadow build eating more /tmp
[19:19:20] <LeftWing> I did a lot of builds with GCC 7 shadow before, though
[19:21:10] <tsoome> um, there was Makefile update recently
[19:22:29] <LeftWing> I guess I should stub out "cleanup" in nightly.sh and run it until it fails, then look at what's actually in the directory
[19:36:21] <ryaeng> Doing the build seems to be rather cpu intensive. What do you guys look for when purchasing a machine to optimize build times?
[19:46:47] <LeftWing> The biggest one you can find, basically, haha
[19:47:05] <LeftWing> But in practice when you're working on the OS, you're probably only working on one component
[19:47:27] <LeftWing> e.g., if you're working on the "ls" command, you can rebuild _just_ that command reasonably easily.
[19:50:53] <ryaeng> That's encouraging.
[19:51:04] <ryaeng> I think I read that it in the docs a bit ago.
[19:51:37] <ryaeng> Incremental builds are possible. However, a full build is required prior to submitting a patch.
[19:51:55] <rmustacc> https://www.illumos.org/books/dev/workflow.html#incremental-building
[20:01:30] <igork> rmustacc: is it working with new ctf tools?
[20:02:01] <igork> i mean - incremental build
[20:02:22] <rmustacc> As long as you aren't trying to change the buildstamp, yes?
[20:02:48] <rmustacc> If you're trying to change the buildstamp in an incremental build, then you're going to have problems (let alone the fact that half of your binaries will have different MCS version fields)
[20:02:50] <igork> ctf label with LABEL
[20:03:11] <rmustacc> Yes, that's what I just described above.
[20:03:39] <igork> buildstamp = LABEL in your explanation?
[20:05:27] <rmustacc> The label comes from the VERSION setting in the illumos.sh environment file.
[20:05:51] <igork> sorry, yes = VERSION
[20:07:52] <igork> if we keep VERSION for incremental build - it should be fine?
[20:08:31] <igork> in this context - have to update VERSION do not use git change
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[21:08:38] <richlowe> I broke cw a while ago such that /tmp would fill
[21:08:42] <richlowe> if you have an old cw, that'll be it
[21:08:44] <richlowe> pull newer source
[21:20:29] <LeftWing> I'm pretty sure I'm building master
[21:22:08] <richlowe> did you clear /tmp _since_ i broke it? :)
[21:22:28] <ryaeng> I set the export TMPDIR=/var/tmp and still got errors that /tmp was full.
[21:22:40] <ryaeng> The build took about 45 mins longer for a total of 2 hours.
[21:22:59] <ryaeng> And this time I actually have a packages directory post build.
[21:23:03] <richlowe> neither of you seem to have checked what /tmp is full _of_?
[21:23:23] <richlowe> (be in actually /tmp, or system memory)
[21:29:41] <ryaeng> n00b here... so... screenshot https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/MexDQvmR/image.png
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[21:31:34] <richlowe> looks pretty normal
[21:34:47] <ryaeng> After giving it another look, these errors show up under "Build noise differences." Is that a show stopper?
[21:37:43] <richlowe> those show as diffs, presuming they're going away ("<") in the second build, no
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[21:45:54] <ryaeng> They do show up as diffs.
[21:45:59] <ryaeng> Didn't catch that the first time.
[21:47:00] <ryaeng> richlowe: Thanks
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[21:49:34] <richlowe> we should probably fix nightly to use the diff format everyone's used for the last 25 years :)
[21:53:26] <alanc> what? admit the 1990's had better taste than the 1970's? heresy! Next you'll be wanting to get rid of bell bottoms and mutton chops!
[21:53:59] <tsoome> they say ‘90s are back
[21:55:23] <alanc> well, you are working on a SVR4 derived Unix instead of Linux here, so that's a pretty good indicator of the 1990s
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[22:00:24] <alanc> bonus fun friday fact: did you know if you run a Solarish system with its clock set past January 2038, all it's 32-bit binaries will become permanently unrunnable, even if you reset the clock back, unless all the filesystems they try to load libraries from are mounted with atime=no?
[22:00:52] <tsoome> time to kill 32-bit
[22:01:04] <richlowe> I did!
[22:01:04] <tsoome> this does sound good:)
[22:01:06] <richlowe> (know)
[22:01:08] <alanc> (or you roll back to an older snapshot without post-2038 atimes)
[22:02:02] <alanc> sadly people keep learning this the hard way due to ntp bugs or corrupted ToD data when clock batteries die
[22:03:51] <alanc> the absolute best was the test system whose ToD got so completely screwed up that the int tm_year overflowed, and we thus got to see how many callers of localtime() don't detect when it returns an error
[22:04:12] <richlowe> also, you work on X you don't get to call us 90s
[22:04:33] <richlowe> also, my bet would be "all of them", for localtime callers
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[22:05:23] <alanc> hey, I work on X, so I'm an expert on the 90s!
[22:05:44] <LeftWing> richlowe: I looked after the fact but it was empty; I'll disable removing the temporary files on failure and try again in a bit.
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[22:26:40] <msiism> do opensolaris distributions generally ship the `less`pager?
[22:28:24] <ryaeng> LeftWing: I finished the build and got it installed. What next?
[22:28:36] <LeftWing> ryaeng: You've rebooted into, and are running, your bits?
[22:28:44] <ryaeng> Yes sir.
[22:28:49] <LeftWing> Well done!
[22:28:59] <ryaeng> At least... I think that I am.
[22:29:05] <LeftWing> What does uname -v tell you?
[22:29:24] <ryaeng> master-0-g5392d11ac7
[22:29:48] <LeftWing> That is indeed the latest master
[22:29:51] <ryaeng> Also, beadm list shows the nightly entry with a mountpoint of /.
[22:29:54] <LeftWing> Yeah that's good
[22:30:21] <LeftWing> So is there something in particular you'd like to work on?
[22:30:34] <ryaeng> How can you tell that's the latest master?
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[22:31:17] <LeftWing> So that VERSION string comes from your illumos.sh environment file, I believe; it's basically the branch name ("master") and after the "-g" is the beginning of the commit SHA
[22:31:48] <LeftWing> If you look at https://github.com/illumos/illumos-gate you'll see "Latest commit 5392d11 on Jan 20"
[22:32:52] <ryaeng> Awesome! Just wanted to know how I could be sure for future reference.
[22:33:04] <LeftWing> You can look at "git log" too
[22:34:18] <ryaeng> Thanks.
[22:35:11] <ryaeng> I didn't have anything particular in mind.
[22:35:46] <ryaeng> Never done any OS development.
[22:37:09] <msiism> ryaeng: does the system you installed have the `less` pager?
[22:37:27] * msiism just got clever
[22:37:56] <ryaeng> which less returns /usr/bin/less. Is that what you're looking for?
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[22:38:30] <igork> alanc: known issue :)
[22:38:45] <msiism> ryaeng: probably. could you have a look at the man page and tell me if it says it's the version from GNU? that would be really nice!
[22:38:57] <igork> i saw on some gps ntp servers 2138, September
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[22:39:46] <ryaeng> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/Me5JRM11/image.png
[22:40:22] <msiism> ryaeng: thanks a lot!
[22:40:26] <ryaeng> My pleasure
[22:40:40] <igork> msiism: dilos is ising `less`pager - based on debian
[22:42:04] <msiism> igork: ok, i think that `less`is actually one of the tools that has a single canonical implementation, virtually everyone uses and that is the one from Mark Nudelman.
[22:42:51] <igork> root@zfs-tests2:~# less -V
[22:42:52] <igork> less 481 (no regular expressions)
[22:42:52] <igork> Copyright (C) 1984-2015 Mark Nudelman
[22:43:58] <msiism> yup. it's same on all major BSDs, though openbsd cut the "is part of GNU" part from the man page...
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[22:45:46] <tsoome> this is because less is dual licensed
[22:46:17] <msiism> right, that seesm to be the reason.
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[23:50:31] <richlowe> igork: why on earth would you build without regex support?
[23:52:11] <alanc> getting rid of regex support would solve so many bugs & security issues
[23:52:16] <igork> richlowe: what do you mean? where i missed it?
[23:52:22] <alanc> I mean, it would leave you with an unusable system, but still...
[23:53:45] <igork> richlowe: i see - less 481 (no regular expressions). my build based on debian userland
[23:54:13] <igork> and it has flag --with-regex=gnu
[23:54:31] <igork> probably i missed something
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