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[05:46:15] <andyf> richlowe: it shouldn’t. That patch came out of building the latest glib which uses meson.
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[05:59:15] <ullbeking> good evening all
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[09:55:24] <tsoome> .oO bugs, bugs, bugs...
[09:56:31] <tsoome> beadm destroy is leaving snapshots around.
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[11:02:30] <jlevon> tsoome: when did you last build an ISO?
[11:02:41] <tsoome> today:)
[11:02:55] <jlevon> btx is falling over for us with the 10605 changes.
[11:03:02] <tsoome> but I think I found the issue:)
[11:03:17] <jlevon> are you ... a mind reader? :)
[11:03:29] <tsoome> /nod
[11:03:30] <tsoome> :D
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[11:03:58] <jlevon> you can see the same btx failure we do?
[11:04:15] <jlevon> oh wait, there's email. sorry.
[11:04:21] <tsoome> I see different, but the problem is that _start is not at 0
[11:04:49] <tsoome> can you paste me the beginning of objdump -d loader.sym ?
[11:05:42] <jlevon> 00000000 <exit>:
[11:05:48] <jlevon> 0000001b <_start>:
[11:06:49] <tsoome> I am not exactly sure why non-cd boot does not fail but I’ll see soon
[11:08:16] <tsoome> if I am correct, we need to provide proper linker script for loader too to make sure things are where they are supposed to be.
[11:08:37] <jlevon> hmm nothing right now actually asks for _start to come at 0x0?
[11:08:40] <jlevon> looks like?
[11:09:01] <tsoome> yes, it was assumed the object file order will do
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[11:13:23] <jlevon> tsoome: ready to test anything you might have :)
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[11:28:33] <tsoome> yea: # XXX crt0.o needs to be first for pxeboot(8) to work
[12:12:41] <andyf> tsoome - https://illumos.org/rb/r/1786/diff/3 - do the #include lines you changed not need <> now?
[12:16:08] <andyf> I suppose it doesn't matter as it will fall back to that..
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[12:30:57] <tsoome> I guess it would be nice
[12:40:11] <tsoome> ok, disk boot with fixed loader is working (and we lost 25k of fat with --gc-sections)
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[13:41:07] <poige> Did anyone see very (weiry) weird thing with terrible slow pipes?
[13:41:36] <poige> I've noticed it on SmartOS joyent_20190328T010321Z
[13:41:53] <igork> i have no issues
[13:41:57] <igork> on dilos
[13:42:20] <igork> poige: do you have example of commands?
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[13:44:06] <poige> yeah, try dd'ing (to /dev/null) some big enough file, then replace it with cat | dd of=/dev/null
[13:45:35] <poige> with direct dd it achieves 82.4MB/sec and with pipe version 933KB/sec
[13:45:47] <igork> from ssd?
[13:45:56] <poige> from no matter
[13:45:57] <igork> could you paster full command for reproduce?
[13:46:33] <poige> `dd if=AnyBigFile of=/dev/null bs=$((1024*1024*2))`
[13:46:35] <poige> vs
[13:46:58] <poige> `cat AnyBigFile | dd of=/dev/null bs=$((1024*1024*2))`
[13:46:59] <igork> 1m block size of 2?
[13:47:34] <igork> how big file ?
[13:47:44] <igork> 3gb or more?
[13:48:14] <poige> 100 MB would be find, given it was less than 1 MB/sec in pipe's version
[13:48:20] <poige> *fine
[13:49:20] <igork> root@p1c2s:/var/store/tmp# cat d3g4.1 | dd of=/dev/null bs=$((1024*1024*2)) status=progress
[13:49:20] <igork> 2932604928 bytes (2.9 GB, 2.7 GiB) copied, 4 s, 733 MB/s
[13:49:20] <igork> 0+251904 records in
[13:49:20] <igork> 0+251904 records out
[13:49:20] <igork> 3221225472 bytes (3.2 GB, 3.0 GiB) copied, 4.39275 s, 733 MB/s
[13:50:35] <igork> poige:: is it issue?
[13:51:27] <poige> igork: мужик, я не понимаю твой английский. Чо за вопрос ща был?
[13:51:55] <poige> igork: более того, у тебя работает нормально, и у тебя не SmartOS
[13:52:11] <igork> poige: вот и вопрос - проблема у меня или нет :)
[13:52:19] <igork> ты поддердил - проблем у меня нет
[13:52:23] <poige> ты читал внимательно?
[13:52:42] <poige> Я сказал, что через pipe меньше мегабайта в секунду получается
[13:56:56] <denk> sorry, guys, two russian guys cannot communicate in english, it's ok :)
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[14:10:37] <poige> denk: you're kinda late of it
[14:11:38] <tsoome> jlevon: yep, fix confirmed.
[14:12:49] <poige> tsoome: are you affiliated to SmartOS in a way?
[14:12:56] <tsoome> indirectly
[14:13:26] <poige> tsoome: Can you confirm that issue with direct reading and through pipe?
[14:14:18] <tsoome> regarding pipes, I’d suggest to make sure you have issue filed and after few hours people are waking up
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[14:15:29] <poige> tsoome: Before filling in issues it makes sense to check out if it's repeatable at least
[14:15:37] <poige> or may be already fixed
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[14:16:04] <tsoome> well, I do not have smartos setup atm:)
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[14:16:16] <igork> smartos != illumos as is :)
[14:16:30] <poige> igork: go study English, russian guy
[14:16:37] <tsoome> yep, exactly.
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[14:16:38] <igork> you too
[14:16:44] <tsoome> no need to get personal, please.
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[14:17:21] <andyf> I can boot up smartos under bhyve.. give me a minute and I'll test
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[14:17:39] <poige> andyf: hurry up
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[14:17:54] <igork> andyf: virtualization can do some impact to performance
[14:17:56] <poige> before I'll start getting personal
[14:18:04] <tsoome> .oO
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[14:18:31] <andyf> Of course, but the scale of difference that poige is seeing should show up
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[14:18:53] <poige> indeed. Thanks man.
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[14:19:12] <poige> (I'm becoming personal)
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[14:20:07] <andyf> [root@smartos ~]# dd if=/zones/l of=/dev/null bs=$((2*1024*1024))
[14:20:12] <andyf> 1048576000 bytes transferred in 0.541659 secs (1.80GB/sec)
[14:20:16] <andyf> [root@smartos ~]# cat /zones/l | dd of=/dev/null bs=$((2*1024*1024))
[14:20:20] <andyf> 1048576000 bytes transferred in 3.847158 secs (260MB/sec)
[14:20:26] <poige> holy shit
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[14:21:15] <poige> andyf: are you involved into OmniOS development? How does OmniOS perform those?
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[14:22:11] <poige> @LeftWing seeing that?
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[14:23:07] <andyf> omnios is , 6.31GB/sec vs. 534MB/sec
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[14:25:05] <jlevon> tsoome: got a patch?
[14:25:11] <poige> Solaris 11 anyone? :P
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[14:25:21] <tsoome> jlevon: yes
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[14:27:42] <jlevon> ta
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[14:28:15] <ptribble> Tribblix (so vanilla illumos) is 4.2GB/sec vs 1.4 GB/sec
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[14:28:56] <ptribble> And a non-global zone is the same speed
[14:29:02] <igork> ptribble: on sparc?
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[14:29:21] <ptribble> My x86 box (I7-4790)
[14:29:23] <poige> ptribble: zones are chroot-like, no wonder it's same
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[14:29:58] <jlevon> tsoome: how does this guarantee _start placement?
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[14:30:33] <tsoome> ENTRY(_start) in ldscript
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[14:31:53] <jlevon> oh, sorry, the fix is to get the entry point set, not ensure that _start is at the default entry point of 0?
[14:32:10] <tsoome> we can go even further by specifying crt0.o as first item in .text. But what is weird is that -e _start does not seem to have an effect
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[14:32:38] <ptribble> Seeing as you ask, it's 670MB/sec vs 230MB/sec on sparc (T5140)
[14:32:39] <jlevon> without ENTRY() you mean?
[14:33:18] <tsoome> without linker script even
[14:33:18] <jlevon> this script was used just be the efi 32-bit loader before?
[14:33:28] <jlevon> hmm that's odd.
[14:33:47] <tsoome> the build so far is using -static -Ttext 0x0
[14:34:36] <jlevon> I don't even follow that syntax.
[14:34:37] <tsoome> I did try to add -e _start but objdump did show exit symbol first as you did see
[14:35:17] <jlevon> why would -e change the order though?
[14:36:23] <jlevon> I'd guessed as much but failing to find any docs on that.
[14:37:23] <jlevon> anyway, shouldn't -e do nothing but set the entry point
[14:37:36] <tsoome> yes
[14:38:07] <tsoome> which is why I was puzzled when -static -Ttext 0x0 -e _start did not work
[14:38:21] <tsoome> likely binutils bug
[14:38:23] <jlevon> ah I see what you're saying.
[14:38:35] <jlevon> perhaps that weird syntax over-rides the other "scripty" options
[14:38:42] <tsoome> anyhow, having ldscript is still safer:)
[14:39:08] <jlevon> yeah
[14:39:41] <jlevon> bet that syntax is from yesteryear and I just never noticed it.
[14:40:18] <jlevon> https://ftp.gnu.org/old-gnu/Manuals/ld-2.9.1/html_node/ld_3.html <-- here we go
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[14:43:54] <igork> root@sparc9:/root# cat /dev/zvol/dsk/rpool/swap | dd of=/dev/null bs=$((2*1024*1024)) status=progress
[14:43:54] <igork> 8469489664 bytes (8.5 GB, 7.9 GiB) copied, 71 s, 119 MB/s
[14:43:54] <igork> 0+1624742 records in
[14:43:54] <igork> 0+1624742 records out
[14:43:54] <igork> 8589934592 bytes (8.6 GB, 8.0 GiB) copied, 71.943 s, 119 MB/s
[14:44:02] <igork> ptribble: ^^^
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[14:44:18] <igork> it is on sun4u v490 with reading from swap
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[14:46:22] <ptribble> igork: I would have expected a V490 to do better than a T5140 - especially as the T5140 is building illumos-gate at the same time...
[14:47:05] <ptribble> Anyway, talking about SPARC
[14:47:47] <ptribble> Anyone fancy killing off some more old platform support?
[14:47:50] <ptribble> https://www.illumos.org/rb/r/1802/
[14:48:13] <jlevon> I'll take a look ptribble
[14:48:23] <igork> ptribble: please no kill v240, v490, T5120, T5220 :)
[14:49:06] <ptribble> See the list of chopping block targets in IPD 5
[14:49:27] <ptribble> https://github.com/illumos/ipd/blob/master/ipd/0005/README.md
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[14:49:40] <spicywolf> Don't kill sun4v or sun4u!
[14:49:43] <spicywolf> I use those!
[14:49:54] <ptribble> thanks jlevon
[14:50:06] <ptribble> spicywolf: what models do you have?
[14:50:09] <spicywolf> (Specifically the T1000)
[14:50:15] <spicywolf> (and T2000)
[14:50:32] <ptribble> sun4v stays, so that'll be fine
[14:51:06] <igork> will be better port ldom support
[14:51:12] <Agnar> ptribble: well, I'd love to see the M4k also staying, as I could get one.
[14:51:24] <igork> i mean - ldom management
[14:51:32] <Agnar> ptribble: and it is the same platform as the M3k
[14:52:06] <ptribble> Yeah, the starcat change explictly keeps the M-series, as it turns out that OPL and starcat share a bit of code
[14:52:28] <Agnar> ptribble: ah, ok
[14:52:46] <Agnar> ptribble: but otherwise I'm quiete fine with the suggested removals
[14:53:18] <Agnar> ptribble: a few years ago I'd been unhappy because I had a E4500 running, but it is gone, so I don't mind :)
[14:53:19] <igork> we have version control and can put it back if needed :)
[14:53:25] <ptribble> And the M3k/M4k are both pretty quick for single-threaded code, and reasonably cheap on ebay
[14:54:28] <Agnar> ptribble: and they are quite cheap for a real hardware domaining iron. so you can play along with this stuff as well
[14:54:47] <Agnar> btw, do we still support SBus?
[14:55:00] <tsoome> no
[14:55:09] <Agnar> ok, so the support for the U2 is also gone
[14:55:45] <ptribble> Yeah, the Ultra-2 is still there, as is sbus
[14:56:10] <tsoome> um, is it?
[14:56:18] <ptribble> sunfire is also sbus, but that may be the platform I tackle next
[14:56:37] <ptribble> which allows things like sf and socal to be killed
[14:56:53] <Agnar> ptribble: oh, cool. actually if we could keep sbus for some time, that'd be appreciated
[14:57:22] <ptribble> Do you have an Ultra-2? Because that would be the only sbus system left
[15:00:19] <igork> tsoome: i have no crash with loader
[15:00:30] <igork> with ldscript build
[15:00:59] <igork> i do every day debug builds for zfs tests
[15:00:59] <tsoome> the cdboot did crash after 10605
[15:01:09] <tsoome> disk boot is all ok
[15:01:25] <igork> ah - crash with iso boot media?
[15:01:39] <tsoome> yep
[15:01:44] <igork> ok, thanks
[15:03:08] <tsoome> 23k saved space is also especially nice:)
[15:04:47] <Agnar> ptribble: yes I have. It wouldn't hurt me that much if we kick out sbus...so you may also go ahead with that one
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[15:05:47] <jlevon> tsoome: thanks for the fix, works for me under KVM both legacy and EFI
[15:06:46] <tsoome> yw
[15:07:56] <tsoome> stupid copy buffers:D
[15:08:52] <jlevon> :)
[15:23:56] <igork> Agnar: we need sbus probably for qemu
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[15:44:51] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 10506 CVE-2019-9579 Access problem with SMB server -- Matt Barden <matt.barden at nexenta dot com>
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[16:00:12] <ptribble> https://www.illumos.org/rb/r/1802/ updated now my sparc build has finally finished
[16:14:58] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 10886 smatch debug macro cleanup in usr/src/uts -- John Levon <john.levon at joyent dot com>
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[17:24:30] <LeftWing> poige: Perhaps this might be related: https://www.illumos.org/issues/10426
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[17:28:24] <poige> LeftWing: I'm going to check a few latest releases due it looks more like a regression
[17:28:45] <LeftWing> Ok.
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[18:37:41] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 10887 Missing void cast in wcuwsrv() -- John Levon <john.levon at joyent dot com>
[18:40:09] <zfs_lover1> Hello, please let me know how does your kernel compare to hardened like grsecurity or hbsd?
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[18:46:55] <LeftWing> zfs_lover1: That's an extremely broad question. Do you have a particular hardening technique or mitigation in mind?
[18:53:33] <zfs_lover1> Spectre and virtual guest isolation
[18:54:02] <zfs_lover1> Guests shall not be able to steal data from host RAM and from other guests
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[18:58:39] <zfs_lover1> Why you do not have fork like
[18:58:40] <zfs_lover1> https://hardenedbsd.org/content/easy-feature-comparison
[18:58:56] <zfs_lover1> Linux has grsec, bsd has and you not?
[19:05:31] <LeftWing> Well, there's no _fork_ for mitigations. To the extent that we have them, we put them in master.
[19:06:09] <LeftWing> I believe we have, e.g., SMAP/SMEP support.
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[19:09:03] <jlevon> it'd be cool to have that checklist tho
[19:09:09] <LeftWing> Sure!
[19:09:31] <LeftWing> There have been bits and pieces that have gone in over time; e.g., the per-process exploit flags stuff in https://github.com/illumos/illumos-gate/commit/d2a70789f056fc6c9ce3ab047b52126d80b0e3da
[19:10:06] <LeftWing> ( https://www.illumos.org/issues/7029 )
[19:10:59] <zfs_lover1> I know Linux relatively well, but did not use UNIX yet
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[19:11:18] <LeftWing> And, e.g., KPTI in https://www.illumos.org/issues/8956
[19:11:22] <zfs_lover1> Need to choose HBSD or Yours
[19:11:41] <zfs_lover1> for security reasons Linux not enough for me
[19:11:52] <zfs_lover1> Linux good for a desktop and applications
[19:11:56] <LeftWing> I would imagine HardenedBSD has a more vigorous focus on security mitigations that we have had -- it's even in the name.
[19:12:02] <LeftWing> *than we have had
[19:12:07] <zfs_lover1> but for hypervisor I do not trust it anymore
[19:12:18] <LeftWing> But we've definitely got some things, and we'd always like to have more.
[19:12:30] <zfs_lover1> Do you plan a fork like HBSD?
[19:12:48] <zfs_lover1> Solaris looks like a more reliable thing than FreeBSD ?
[19:12:50] <LeftWing> No, we would just include the security features in the base OS. There's really no need to have a fork for it.
[19:12:54] <zfs_lover1> more enterprise
[19:13:13] <LeftWing> We are effectively unrelated to Solaris at this point -- we've been going in a different direction for almost a decade.
[19:13:24] <LeftWing> We just share a history, is all.
[19:13:40] <zfs_lover1> Can you please make a comparison on your website or wiki with HBSD
[19:13:47] <zfs_lover1> add a new column there
[19:13:53] <zfs_lover1> for Illumos
[19:14:27] <LeftWing> It's an interesting idea, but I don't personally have time to spend on it right now. If you want to do the research, we can definitely look at and help with publishing your findings?
[19:14:54] <zfs_lover1> I am not qualified enough
[19:15:15] <zfs_lover1> actually I do not understand at least a half of features without futher reading
[19:15:33] <zfs_lover1> I am an admin and DotNet/bash coder
[19:15:46] <zfs_lover1> not a system programmer
[19:15:59] <zfs_lover1> I am not familar with kernel development
[19:17:41] <zfs_lover1> Though Illumos is open source, I have ready you have many Sun staf who works in different small companies like Joyent
[19:17:57] <zfs_lover1> correction: have reaD
[19:19:25] <LeftWing> Yes, there are a mixture of unaffiliated contributors and people who work for companies that ship illumos-based products.
[19:19:34] <LeftWing> And some people are indeed former Sun staff!
[19:20:12] <LeftWing> We welcome newcomers who want to get their feet wet, too. You may not have any operating system development experience, but it's never too late to get started!
[19:20:45] <zfs_lover1> I have wrote a script for very convenient ZFS replication
[19:20:53] <zfs_lover1> using it already for 3-4 years
[19:20:54] <ryaeng> How does one get started?
[19:21:13] <zfs_lover1> did not make a site for it yet though
[19:21:44] <LeftWing> ryaeng: It depends on what you would like to do! Generally I'd recommend getting a virtual (or physical) machine set up with one of the popular distributions like OpenIndiana, OmniOS, or perhaps SmartOS.
[19:22:19] <LeftWing> OI & OmniOS can both build illumos-gate.git without issues, but SmartOS can only really build illumos-joyent.git easily at the moment.
[19:22:49] <LeftWing> So, say, install OI and then get a build done, following the guide at https://illumos.org/docs/developers/build/
[19:22:56] <zfs_lover1> I have read on forums Joyent people are arrogant
[19:23:22] <LeftWing> zfs_lover1: I work at Joyent, and I don't feel that's a fair characterisation obviously, haha
[19:23:31] <zfs_lover1> :)
[19:23:39] <zfs_lover1> related to free users
[19:23:55] <LeftWing> So the Joyent that exists today is somewhat unrelated to the Joyent that existed ten years ago, for instance.
[19:23:57] <zfs_lover1> Joyent asks $XX K for help
[19:24:08] <zfs_lover1> may be
[19:24:38] <zfs_lover1> just afraid to get into Solaris because I am too poor to pay their support fees
[19:24:56] <zfs_lover1> Solaris=Illumos at least for me
[19:25:14] <tsoome> illumos has no payd support.
[19:25:26] <zfs_lover1> Btw, do corps use Illumos with the same trust as Oracle Solaris?
[19:25:27] <tsoome> there are illumos based companies, who do.
[19:25:45] <LeftWing> Right, the core illumos software is shipped in various distributions that offer support options (e.g., SmartOS from Joyent, or OmniOS from the OmniOS organisation)
[19:25:49] <tsoome> and companies need to earn by definition:D
[19:26:19] <zfs_lover1> It is good they earn and support their developers
[19:26:21] <LeftWing> zfs_lover1: That's a fairly nebulous question. I wouldn't trust Oracle as far as I could throw them, for instance -- which would not be far.
[19:27:25] <zfs_lover1> Generally Solaris is mentioned like a very reliable OS
[19:27:27] <LeftWing> There are definitely people who pay various companies to get support on illumos-based software, and also others who just use it as free software
[19:27:40] <zfs_lover1> And ZOL (ZFS on Lin) as a toy
[19:27:43] <LeftWing> My recommendation is always to try it out and see how it works for you.
[19:27:50] <LeftWing> I don't think it's fair to characterise ZOL as a toy.
[19:27:54] <zfs_lover1> though I have very positive experience with ZOL
[19:28:22] <zfs_lover1> I use ZOL on each my home computer, on all server at my job
[19:28:27] <zfs_lover1> on all VPSes
[19:28:34] <zfs_lover1> it is awesome
[19:28:55] <zfs_lover1> I just tell opinion from linux.org.ru
[19:29:09] <zfs_lover1> there are some arrogant Solaris admins
[19:29:14] <LeftWing> Opinions on websites and mailing lists are very cheap to create
[19:29:27] <LeftWing> I would put more stock in your own experiences and testing things out.
[19:29:44] <zfs_lover1> my experience is contradictory with their opinions
[19:30:01] <zfs_lover1> but I am in stuck with security issues on Linux
[19:36:24] <ryaeng> LeftWing: I'm going to build illumos. I'll get back to you with the results.
[19:36:56] <LeftWing> OK, great! If you have trouble, let me know and we can try and improve the guide.
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[20:10:44] <poige> LeftWing: well, nope. Not so obvious at least.
[20:11:00] <LeftWing> poige: As in, it's not obviously a regression?
[20:11:01] <poige> LeftWing: `cat /dev/zvol/rdsk/zones/swap | dd bs=$((2*1024*1024)) of=/dev/null` -- this one gives almost 200 MB/sec
[20:11:36] <poige> But if I try to read from a single file on RAIDz3 (which is degraded ATM), it's miserably slow
[20:11:56] <poige> but only when with pipe. With direct `dd` way faster
[20:16:18] <poige> Miserably is 976KB/sec
[20:19:38] <poige> `zfs set primarycache=all` fixed that (previosuly it's been `metadata`)
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[20:29:47] <igork> tsoome: https://paste.dilos.org/?3a5ce6f5129fd2b4#iXuwdZLDgo5jUVqmnT5z4X84TrVgBZXZh37zZnVDZ1A=
[20:30:09] <igork> tsoome: if you are working on zfs updates - you can try to fix ztest + zloop
[20:31:07] <igork> you can run zloop on your build/working host - it will not destroy rpool and others pools :)
[20:32:07] <tsoome> sorry, my priorities are a bit elsewhere
[20:33:05] <igork> tsoome: it is just proposal how you can check your zfs updates - i see your activities on sequential scrub/resilver
[20:34:13] <LeftWing> poige: primarycache=metadata would mean (I think) the ARC would not try to hold on to the data from the file. I could imagine the small pipe buffer size could have a much bigger impact on performance if we keep sending "cat" back to disk for tiny (16KB) chunks, say.
[20:34:53] <LeftWing> You'd have to do some tracing to confirm, though.
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[21:21:13] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 10899 loader: use ldscript to build loader (10605 regression) -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
[21:28:48] <jlevon> tsoome: thanks!
[21:29:09] <tsoome> buggers:)
[21:29:35] <jlevon> I'm not sure that translated
[21:30:08] <tsoome> not meant to be:)
[21:30:26] <tsoome> pity they appear, good thing we got it qiock:)
[21:30:30] <tsoome> quick*
[21:31:12] * jlevon nods
[21:32:22] <tsoome> now to wait for zfs test results for master:)
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[22:08:26] <richlowe> LeftWing: how outdated is opengrok?
[22:08:33] <LeftWing> richlowe: The index, or the software?
[22:08:57] <LeftWing> Hmm, it seems like it might have become stuck on 24-APR
[22:09:00] <LeftWing> sigh
[22:09:09] <LeftWing> I'll look into it now
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[22:12:37] <richlowe> LeftWing: well, if you're offering, both!
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[22:15:34] <richlowe> also, is it just me, or has topicbox spam filtering got worse the last few days?
[22:16:25] <LeftWing> It has indeed.
[22:16:29] <LeftWing> Or the spam has. One of those.
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[23:06:26] <igork> LeftWing: about vioif update - do we need update kvm after this integrated?
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[23:06:50] <igork> i mean - illumos-kvm or illumos-kvm-cmd
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[23:11:00] <ryaeng> LeftWing: Installied OI. Updating now. I will be installing the required packages and shortly.
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[23:17:00] <ryaeng> Do the package updates in oi typically take a long time or is it just me?
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[23:35:21] <LeftWing> ryaeng: IPS (the "pkg" program) is not the fastest package manager, certainly
[23:38:53] <richlowe> LeftWing: obviously you should finish shawn's rust port
[23:39:22] <jlevon> whaaa...
[23:39:38] <rzezeski> Do it LeftWing, you won't
[23:41:13] <LeftWing> I mean, I won't :P
[23:41:56] <LeftWing> Though I suspect a rust version would be very fast
[23:42:02] <LeftWing> Faster, at least, than the python version we have today
[23:43:44] <rzezeski> Knock the rust off that thing
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[23:55:54] <ryaeng> I keep getting stuck at Creating Play (Solver setup).
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