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[06:29:35] <despair86> well in the end i broke down and installed solaris 2.10u11, building GCC 8.3 as i write this :-(
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[07:10:42] <lewellyn> despair86: are you trying to live up to your nick? :/
[07:10:52] <despair86> heh
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[08:23:20] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 10768 kgssapi: NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
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[08:30:34] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 10769 ksocket: NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
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[08:41:30] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 10771 ibmf: NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
[08:44:30] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 10772 kcf: NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
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[08:46:45] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 10738 sockfs: NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
[08:48:53] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 10773 sata: NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
[08:50:53] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 10774 pcmcia: NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
[08:52:58] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 10775 kmech_krb5: NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
[08:53:36] <lewellyn> tsoome: i'm worried that your bit bucket may have an imbalance of nulls left :D
[08:53:46] <tsoome> :D
[08:53:46] <lewellyn> those are nice tho. gj
[08:54:33] <tsoome> well, when we are done, we shall have NULL defined as pointer and the compiler can do its job for us:)
[08:55:08] <lewellyn> i missed the discussion that started this work. why was it done how it was?
[08:55:41] <tsoome> it actually was started by Richard Palo or maybe even before him
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[08:56:52] <tsoome> but walking the code it is easy to step on those NULL versus 0 issues and wonder why arent those reported by compiler… and of course the reson is pretty obvious if you look on sys/null.h
[08:57:07] <lewellyn> is this just a matter of "believe it or not, compilers used to be even more abysmal"?
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[08:57:47] <tsoome> for me it is ‘let compiler to tell me if I do wrong'
[08:58:11] <lewellyn> yeah. which is usually the right answer. provided your compiler doesn't like to complain about useless things and outright lie
[08:58:36] <tsoome> which is why we want to be able to build with modern compiler:)
[08:58:51] <tsoome> or compilers
[08:59:05] <lewellyn> note that i'm trying to be diplomatic here and not try to blame anyone for any state of affairs :D
[08:59:20] <tsoome> na, noone is blaming anyone
[08:59:49] <tsoome> the history has its reasons and the important thing is what we do now and how we make things better for future.
[08:59:59] <lewellyn> indeed
[09:00:31] <lewellyn> i'd like to see a future where one can choose one of a number of compilers
[09:00:44] <LeftWing> lewellyn: For building illumos?
[09:00:48] <lewellyn> yup
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[09:01:10] <lewellyn> i'd also like to see a future where there is a wide variety of compilers again, too
[09:01:11] <LeftWing> That's going to be a lot of work, but we would welcome the contribution!
[09:01:42] <lewellyn> i'm sad to see the world keep converging toward a gcc monoculture
[09:02:23] <LeftWing> Having clang, say, be relatively gcc compatible is a huge boon to be honest
[09:02:26] <tsoome> thats the cost of specialization and using binary only distributions:)
[09:02:55] <lewellyn> LeftWing: that's still only two compilers in wide use. there used to be a lot more than gcc, clang, msvc in the world at large. :(
[09:03:04] <tsoome> repo maintainers are not interested about building with different compilers and end users can not build…
[09:03:32] <LeftWing> I sympathise with the maintainers :P
[09:03:41] <lewellyn> yeah and in some cases, people will go out of their way to not build with a different compiler than they're used to
[09:04:30] <LeftWing> If gcc was a problem for me I'm sure I'd have more energy to work on supporting other compielrs
[09:04:49] <lewellyn> i recently poked a linux distro package maintainer for being stupid. the deps all build with clang by default but he went out of his way to make the package build with gcc. including a massive gnarly patch to shut up warnings
[09:05:49] <lewellyn> of course the whole process broke a seldom used feature
[09:06:14] <lewellyn> so i sympathize with maintainers. and i sympathize with upstreams who have to handle maintainers :)
[09:07:01] <tsoome> the gcc also is not to be underestimated. gcc 9 can warn about many new issues
[09:07:24] <lewellyn> i don't think i have 9 anywhere yet
[09:07:48] <tsoome> but indeed, we also can get into the loop about shutting useless warnings off:D
[09:08:36] <tsoome> there was series of gcc 9 cleanups posted in grub-devel list.
[09:11:14] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 10791 dr: NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
[09:11:57] <lewellyn> hopefully soon i can tackle some low hanging fruit that's been bugging me. i hate how life is getting in the way of doing anything which feels remotely useful
[09:12:20] <tsoome> :)
[09:13:04] <lewellyn> i have some patches to send ptribble which have been sitting stale on my filesystem for months now. :(
[09:13:49] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 10792 pcie: NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
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[09:19:49] <tsoome> LeftWing: as you are awake, do you want to check on 10845?:)
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[10:01:29] <despair86> >have reasonably std compliant C++ compiler
[10:01:42] <despair86> >have Rogue Wave STL 4.2
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[10:02:05] <despair86> >GCC source uses its own extensions causing anything else to choke
[10:02:13] <despair86> other than apple C++
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[13:33:26] <despair86> >finds a tape dump of openwindows floating around the net
[13:33:46] <despair86> did oracle ever look into this? it's........strange
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[13:57:05] <Agnar> maybe we should ask for the NeWS sources and see if it is better than wayland ;)
[13:58:54] <jlevon> tsoome: I don't see why SMOFF should fail in that makefile and work everywhere else?
[13:59:18] <tsoome> do you have with xxx.o := construct?
[13:59:53] <tsoome> I’m trying to see if dmake -ddd will tell more..
[13:59:56] <jlevon> all over the place yeah
[14:00:49] <tsoome> ok, SMOFF is referenced regarding to CERRWARN
[14:03:43] <tsoome> ya, that was it. except I do not want whole CERRWARN:D
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[14:05:29] <jlevon> ah right, you don't?
[14:07:24] <tsoome> we are pretty clean of -Wno- switches...
[14:10:27] <tsoome> anyhow, I got it :)
[14:10:37] <jlevon> ok
[14:15:48] <tsoome> Ill set it up shortly.
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[14:22:20] <tsoome> am… any advocate to check over 10828 ?:)
[14:27:48] <despair86> don't mind me, I'm just trying to piece together some kind of coherent history re: how most of openwin was already available in source form (to the point where sun decided not to release code for the 2-3 components still locked down, etc
[14:29:24] <despair86> from what I've found, it seemed to be part of what would now be properly called Xorg
[14:50:26] <ptribble> well openwin was really several pieces
[14:50:47] <ptribble> the underlying X11 you could replace with Xorg
[14:51:01] <ptribble> the xview toolkit was released as open source decades ago
[14:51:32] <ptribble> but I don't recall the deskset tools being open
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[15:14:12] <tsoome> bot is dead..
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[15:28:44] <igork> bot is sleeping :)
[15:28:50] <igork> tied
[15:29:16] <igork> probably bot is sleeping with LeftWing in one room :)
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[16:04:23] <sjorge> I'd move rooms if I was LeftWing
[16:04:30] <sjorge> I mean I don't think sleeping next to a bot is healthy :D
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[16:28:37] <nbjoerg> can in.ndpd be configured to pick up prefixes to announce itself, e.g. whatever is configured on the interface already?
[16:28:47] <nbjoerg> without having to specify it manually in ndpd.conf?
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[18:42:18] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 10778 mac: NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
[18:42:26] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 10790 i86pc: NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
[18:42:29] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 10770 idm: NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
[18:42:34] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 10804 Enable unused warnings outside of uts -- John Levon <john.levon at joyent dot com>
[18:43:08] <LeftWing> GitHub have apparently added some new IP ranges to the set of source addresses from which webhook POSTs can originate.
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[19:14:24] <richlowe> LeftWing: did you ever answer whether jerry could push?
[19:14:30] <LeftWing> Oh, crap
[19:14:32] <LeftWing> I asked him and he said yes
[19:14:40] <LeftWing> But I guess, then, I was already in my pyjamas
[19:14:48] <richlowe> also, is tsoome gonna slow down enough _I_ can merge and push? :)
[19:14:53] <LeftWing> Nah mate
[19:14:59] <LeftWing> It's all commits all the time here at illumos-gate
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[19:50:35] <despair86> as it should be. we're the masters of our own destiny now.
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[21:30:51] <tsoome> richlowe: hurry up:P
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[21:44:19] <richlowe> tsoome: after you!
[21:44:34] <richlowe> (I have to head out in a minute)
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[22:11:45] <nbjoerg> richlowe?
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[22:34:06] <richlowe> nbjoerg: what's up?
[22:34:18] <nbjoerg> 14:33 < nbjoerg> can in.ndpd be configured to pick up prefixes to announce itself, e.g. whatever is configured on the interface already?
[22:34:21] <nbjoerg> 14:33 < nbjoerg> without having to specify it manually in ndpd.conf?
[22:34:23] <nbjoerg> can you answer that one?
[22:34:35] <richlowe> I don't know :\
[22:35:08] <nbjoerg> ok, thx
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[23:17:50] <lewellyn> nbjoerg: i feel like i concluded the answer was no when i tried to do that a few years back. i don't have that box anymore so i can't go verify though :(
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[23:24:45] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 10346 ld(1) should not reduce symbol visibility of COMDAT symbols when producing relocatable objects -- Richard Lowe <richlowe at richlowe dot net>
[23:24:46] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 10593 illumos build should not use kernel modules as link-editor input -- Richard Lowe <richlowe at richlowe dot net>
[23:24:47] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 10366 ld(1) should support GNU-style linker sets -- Richard Lowe <richlowe at richlowe dot net>
[23:24:48] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 10476 file(1) could be smatch clean -- Richard Lowe <richlowe at richlowe dot net>
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