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[00:00:40] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 10728 hermon: NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
[00:02:46] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 10729 dev: NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
[00:06:21] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 10735 pcfs: NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
[00:09:30] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 10737 procfs: NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
[00:11:55] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 10741 ufs: NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
[00:14:09] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 10740 udfs: NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
[00:16:32] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 10742 FX: NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
[00:21:59] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 10746 telmod: NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
[00:26:53] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 10747 timod: NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
[00:28:57] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 10748 usbms: NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
[00:31:39] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 10749 rpcmod: NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
[00:35:33] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 10750 s1394: NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
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[00:38:10] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 10743 loader: zfsboot.c inconsistent indenting -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
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[01:48:50] <tomww> win 21
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[04:17:21] <despair86> is this thing on?
[04:34:39] <LeftWing> I should think so!
[04:46:01] <Smithx10> "testing 1, 2 ,3"
[04:46:07] <Smithx10> "MicroService"
[04:46:20] <Smithx10> ./waits for laugh
[04:47:39] <LeftWing> Not a sausage? :D
[04:50:58] <LeftWing> ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Goon_Show_running_jokes )
[04:58:28] <Smithx10> LeftWing: Im trying to find bluebottle sausage jokes on youtube.... ive got nothing
[04:58:41] <Smithx10> if its not on youtube..... I refuse to recognize it's existence :(
[05:05:06] <LeftWing> Smithx10: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r546k-8wBD0&feature=youtu.be&t=1215
[05:05:07] <LeftWing> :P
[05:06:41] <Smithx10> LOL
[05:06:45] <Smithx10> What is this?!$?$!
[05:07:33] <Smithx10> loll, the english
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[05:30:35] <LeftWing> This is the BBC!
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[05:43:04] <despair86> ah, it's because ~50% or more of the channels here are locked to anonymous users....which is basically what i'd use IRC for in the first place@
[05:45:53] <dsockwell> depends on what you mean by 'anonymous', it's still easy to register with a fake email
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[05:52:38] <despair86> oddly specific question, but what version of Oracle Dmake was imported/forked into the OSNET tree a while back?
[05:54:23] <despair86> just random bits of curiosity as i dig into the source code 😄
[05:55:03] <despair86> (as well as finding out that VI hadn't been updated since 1996 !!!)
[06:24:27] <LeftWing> I think most people use vim, these days.
[06:24:40] <LeftWing> (Provided by the distribution)
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[15:14:22] <nbjoerg> despair86: if you find vi old, never look at sh!
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[18:19:47] <richlowe> a '96 date on vi is misleadingly recent.
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[19:40:01] <jbk> Overlay modification -- wfj 8/80
[19:40:06] <jbk> just a bit :)
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[20:12:49] <richlowe> despair86: the version of dmake in illumos was the (only) one they ever provided source for
[20:13:21] <richlowe> with modifications to restore parallel execution.
[20:13:36] <richlowe> jbk: well, the "interesting" thing with vi is it's not even nvi
[20:14:36] <richlowe> jbk: so when you think about it being the "old" vi, it's actually not, it's the even older vi
[20:15:49] <tsoome> is there a real reason why it is not thrown away?
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[20:17:22] <richlowe> depends how you define 'real'
[20:18:08] <tsoome> i was trying to figure out the definition for this case, but I failed… :D
[20:19:50] <richlowe> I doubt there's any particularly necessary reason for us to ship it
[20:20:02] <richlowe> given distributions could provide an implementation of 'old' vi (though, as above, it'd be newer than ours...)
[20:20:12] <richlowe> there's probably some awful reasons to keep a bourne shell in /usr/has
[20:20:29] <richlowe> but since we haven't even provided a sunos -> has symlink for oracle compatibility, it's also possible not even that is actually a big deal
[20:22:07] <tsoome> well, of course just picking about random items in list is not a great idea anyhow - some sort of vision would be helpful there
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[20:25:28] <richlowe> Well, my "vision" is basically if I had to fix these things, I would probably delete them instead. But there's little immediate gain from deleting them until they're in the way.
[20:26:09] <tsoome> true.
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[21:30:10] <nbjoerg> how is dlpi_walk supposed to work in the GZ?
[21:30:23] <nbjoerg> the callback doesn't include the zone name of an interface?
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[21:43:24] <richlowe> nbjoerg: I think you end up having to ask libdladm or similar, but I'm _very_ far from knowing about these things
[21:44:16] <nbjoerg> yeah, but that one seems to be considered an undocument internal interface
[21:45:00] <andyf> You can use dladm_get_linkprop(handle, linkid, DLADM_PROP_VAL_CURRENT, "zone",...)
[21:45:30] <andyf> but yeah, I think it's undocumented/internal
[21:46:12] <richlowe> the way joyent did vnics in zones left me more confused, not less, too
[21:48:19] <andyf> richlowe - I want to get some of that upstreamed later in the year, but no intention to confuse anyone :D
[21:48:32] <richlowe> looking at the code, I really don't see a way that seems particularly public
[21:49:10] <richlowe> even if you go via LIFC_ALLZONES
[21:49:20] <richlowe> LeftWing: do you understand any of this stuff?
[21:49:27] <richlowe> LeftWing: ... or have irc logs of me complaining about how joyent do it being awful?
[21:49:43] <richlowe> the Oracle zone/foo0 naming is _so_ much more ergonomic
[21:50:03] <richlowe> rather than having a billion foo0 you have to look further into
[21:50:09] <richlowe> which I imagine nbjoerg will run up against next :)
[21:50:29] <richlowe> all I really remember is joyent peopel trying to convince me it was too late to change it, because they did it already.
[21:50:38] <richlowe> and being too polite to call them names
[21:51:02] <andyf> Ah, I see, thanks
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[21:51:43] <andyf> At the moment, standard illumos can't really have duplicate names
[21:51:50] <andyf> well, it can, but you end up in knots
[21:52:08] <richlowe> joyent's implementation sort of codifies those knots :)
[21:52:15] <richlowe> "-z will fix it!"
[21:52:25] <richlowe> ... this would be more interesting if any of them were around.
[21:52:28] <andyf> In OmniOS, we've just prohibited duplicates
[21:52:34] <nbjoerg> well, I wouldn't mind having a second walk function
[21:52:39] <andyf> but I have not had much luck upstreaming that yet
[21:53:03] <nbjoerg> that gives zone + interface
[21:53:24] <richlowe> none of the code we have that enumerates interfaces is particularly inspiring.
[21:53:24] <nbjoerg> to be used with dlpi_open_yone
[21:56:25] <richlowe> I think we assume anyone inside will use libdlmgmt
[21:56:29] <richlowe> and anyone else will... suffer?
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[21:57:05] <andyf> anyone else will grep /etc/ ?
[21:58:27] <richlowe> well, there's a lot of options we... also tell them not to use
[21:59:02] <richlowe> nbjoerg: maybe try the mailing list, or here on a weekday when danmcd and similar network-y people are around?
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[22:21:01] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 10592 misc. metaslab and vdev related ZoL bug fixes -- Serapheim Dimitropoulos <serapheim at delphix dot com>
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