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[00:19:48] <igork> tsoome: do not run ztest + zfs tests on production :)
[00:19:56] <igork> it's not designed for it
[00:20:09] <igork> just for special separate env
[00:20:26] <igork> several tests need some customizations
[00:20:35] <tsoome> its test vm, but that still is not excuse for being careless
[00:20:45] <igork> ztest can be using on production
[00:21:38] <igork> i have several zfs tests vm based on vmware in the same config: 8GB RAM, 4vCPU, rpool + 3x8GB vdev
[00:21:51] <igork> no issues with rpool
[00:23:22] <tsoome> well, it is looking for KEEP for pools to not touch but that does not prevent import:)
[00:23:57] <igork> but i have updates for /var/tmp as alternative root - also port the same idea from ZoL with TEST_BASE_DIR
[00:25:54] <igork> ZoL a lot of improvements with zfs tests
[00:26:05] <igork> ZoL has
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[12:30:26] <leoric> one consequence of omitting CP1251 ru locale - we longer can't create PostgreSQL DB with CP1251 locale...
[12:30:42] <leoric> not critical, but unpleasant
[12:41:22] <tsoome> people still use 8-bit locales?
[12:41:34] <tsoome> :P
[12:44:38] <leoric> converting DB to another locale can lead to interesting results
[12:45:34] <leoric> what your application does think about varchar(4000)?
[12:45:40] <leoric> how long is it?
[12:47:57] <leoric> the most interesting story I have is ... converting CP1251 to UTF8 lead to the following : instead of one page application generates two identical pages...
[12:48:12] <leoric> (so you have one beneath another)
[12:48:32] <leoric> (and nobody knew how it happens)
[12:48:53] <tsoome> heh:D
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[16:02:18] <jeffpc> leoric: the obvious solution is to convert to utf32!
[16:04:57] <leoric> :)
[16:06:38] <denk> he is a hdd vendor
[16:08:30] <jeffpc> of course if you care about your data, you should 3-way mirror it
[16:08:33] <jeffpc> ;)
[16:10:12] <denk> yeah, in 3 different DC
[16:10:27] <jeffpc> mhm
[16:13:24] <denk> convert your data to utf32 and welcome to our "data centner"
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[19:11:21] <LeftWing> leoric: I only recently discovered that PostgreSQL uses the system collation for generating indexes, and that updates to the locale data can change the collation order sometimes and your indexes will then be corrupt. :/
[19:11:47] <LeftWing> It feels like it was not a good choice on their part to do it that way.
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[19:26:06] <richlowe> holy moly
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[21:08:33] <tsoome> I am tepping on issues today…
[21:08:38] <tsoome> stepping*
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[21:24:21] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 10767 ipc: NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
[21:27:35] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 10796 pcplusmp: NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
[21:30:56] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 10797 npe: NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
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[21:34:52] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 10776 nfs_dlboot: NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
[21:37:46] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 10777 pci_autoconfig: NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
[21:38:03] <richlowe> tsoome: stepping on as in "squashing and fixing" or as in "a man trap"?
[21:38:07] <richlowe> or, of course, both.
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[21:39:18] <tsoome> enlist for citizenship! squash the bugs!
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[21:40:34] <richlowe> when I get these link changes in for you, I think I'm going to fix the last two ld bugs I know of!
[21:40:43] <richlowe> which I'm sure what turn into like, 12 of them when looked at
[21:40:53] <richlowe> s/what/won't/
[21:42:55] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 10779 usba: NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
[21:43:18] <tsoome> the annoying part with ld stuff is that I need updated ld on build host:D
[21:44:33] <richlowe> Woodstock is going to fix that.
[21:44:43] <richlowe> ... which I think I heard as a rumour at like 3 removes
[21:44:50] <richlowe> so sorry if I just dropped Woodstock into fixing that :)
[21:45:00] <tsoome> :D
[21:46:00] <richlowe> to be honest, I think not forcing to update their build machine is a bug
[21:46:16] <richlowe> people working on the OS should be running and using the hell out of the day-to-day bits and pieces.
[21:46:53] <richlowe> so the part of me that's empathetic would like to see it fixed (for my own convenience), but I'd also like some other harsher means to force people to update maybe at least once a month
[21:47:01] <richlowe> as it (somewhat unofficially) used to be, I believe.
[21:47:56] <tsoome> i agree btw
[21:48:42] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 10780 scsi: NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
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[21:53:37] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 10781 arcfour: NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
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[21:56:04] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 10782 blowfish: NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
[21:58:07] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 10783 des: NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
[21:58:20] <rmustacc> richlowe: Will if he doesn't, I guess I need to. So.
[21:58:41] <richlowe> rmustacc: can't sell you on just updating your build machines at sensible intervals?
[21:59:31] <rmustacc> Um, maybe. I'd have to go through some of the other mechanics there.
[22:01:58] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 10784 aes: NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
[22:04:14] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 10785 ecc: NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
[22:08:18] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 10786 md4: NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
[22:13:37] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 10787 rsa: NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
[22:18:23] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 10788 sha1: NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
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[22:20:32] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 10789 md5: NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
[22:27:22] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 10589 wscons: slow console oputput will trigger keyboard autorepeat -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
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[22:42:42] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 10661 qlt: NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
[22:47:13] <alanc> working through all the modules from acpi to zfs?
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[22:49:56] <tsoome> yep
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[22:58:32] <tsoome> I know there are many, but we are progressing.
[23:02:53] <LeftWing> richlowe: We update a bunch of machines at what you might consider a sensible interval; just not literally every machine of every type.
[23:02:55] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 10734 tmpfs: NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
[23:04:11] <LeftWing> The machine in our local engineering data centre where my primary work zone lives is running joyent_20190314T022529Z, for instance -- and we merge illumos-gate regularly, so.
[23:04:22] <LeftWing> I imagine it'll get rebooted onto new bits again in a week or so
[23:06:45] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 10730 dprov: NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
[23:09:29] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 10688 gfx_private needs smatch fixes -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
[23:14:24] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 10710 scsi_vhci: NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
[23:17:17] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 10657 ksslf: NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
[23:21:28] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 10711 ehci: NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
[23:24:10] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 10712 iscsi: NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
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[23:27:35] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 10713 fp: NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
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[23:30:17] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 10717 usbgem: NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
[23:34:50] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 10718 av1394: NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
[23:39:33] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 10720 iser: NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
[23:42:09] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 10724 daplt: NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
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[23:44:50] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 10725 sol_ucma: NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
[23:46:47] <tomww> Dr. NULL Pointer
[23:49:05] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 10727 tavor: NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
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