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[00:25:57] <richlowe> you mean rather than call them history's greatest jackass?
[00:25:59] <richlowe> or whatever it was.
[00:27:43] <Smithx10> hahaa, richlowe what are you referring to
[00:28:13] <LeftWing> It's probably best not to focus on what are now historic events involving actors that are no longer here. :P
[00:28:31] <Smithx10> good news, only 1 test failed while running the tests in a zone.
[00:28:33] <Smithx10> well 2
[00:28:39] <LeftWing> That was quick!
[00:28:59] <Smithx10> Well this is just with the solaris tag
[00:29:07] <Smithx10> WAnted to see if it would build and pass the tests
[00:29:09] <LeftWing> Ahh, OK
[00:29:19] <LeftWing> Are you building the head of master?
[00:29:28] <Smithx10> yea
[00:29:40] <Smithx10> let me see actually*
[00:29:43] <LeftWing> Fair enough. As I recall, all of the tests pass in 1.12.1
[00:29:49] <Smithx10> yea
[00:30:11] <Smithx10> Do they just want current passing or master?
[00:30:13] <Smithx10> hmmMM
[00:30:50] <LeftWing> I think the work has to be done on master
[00:31:19] <LeftWing> The language in their porting guide seems fairly specific about their expectations of developers being available to promptly get OS-specific issues sorted out on the current master branch
[00:32:52] <Smithx10> ./lets rolll the dice and see if I have any ability to do anything wort value hahahahaha
[00:32:56] <Smithx10> worth*
[00:35:22] <Smithx10> trying 1.12.1 now
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[01:26:24] <Smithx10> LeftWing: adding virtio-scsi, cool!
[01:26:33] <LeftWing> Sure, how hard can it be :P
[01:26:51] <Smithx10> Famous Last words.
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[01:44:51] <Smithx10> LeftWing: what did you think about "We could make GOOS=illumos imply the solaris build tag like we did with GOOS=android implying linux. That would mean most +build solaris-constrained code would still work and people wanting to differentiate could use +build illumos or +build solaris,!illumos."
[01:47:39] <Smithx10> Do you that would make it simpler to port and then become lame over time or would be alright for the long run
[01:54:49] <LeftWing> Smithx10: It seems like it would ease porting. I have no idea if it would become a burden in the future, but I suspect we could change it later if it is?
[01:55:08] <LeftWing> As soon as GOOS=illumos becomes available, I'd be inclined to try and use it
[01:55:34] <LeftWing> But I appreciate what folks are saying about not having the GOOS=solaris rug pulled out on day one
[01:55:59] <LeftWing> I think the biggest unknown is: what does Oracle intend with respect to maintaining GOOS=solaris
[01:56:45] <LeftWing> But maybe that doesn't matter.
[01:57:14] <LeftWing> Smithx10: Are you able to see how they're achieving what Brad is talking about with the "android" build tag?
[02:07:13] <Smithx10> im about to investigate that in a little bit, i got side tracked by frying up some potatoes..... MmMMmmmm!
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[02:43:09] <myrkraverk_> Is there anyone in the business of zone hosting like some people are VPS linux hosting? I'm not exactly looking for a general cloud hosting (which I think people use smartos for)
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[02:50:03] <myrkraverk> The Joyent website doesn't seem to indicate they're in the old fashioned VPS business.
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[03:09:47] <jbk> have you run smartos?
[03:10:19] <jbk> you can do illumos zones, lx zones, or using KVM or bhyve full VMs of whatever (Windows, Linux, etc.)
[03:12:16] <jbk> while JPC doesn't offer bhyve based instances yet, you can run a native smartos instance (basically a zone w/ pkgsrc for packages), various lx zones, or a KVM VM of whatever images are available
[03:13:26] <dsockwell> what is the difference, practically?
[03:13:55] <dsockwell> you want a retro skin to make old stubborn people feel comfortable?
[03:14:34] <dsockwell> that could actually work out now that i think about it
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[03:21:14] <myrkraverk> I'm afraid I don't understand.
[03:21:48] <dsockwell> myrkraverk: im not sure what you're asking for exactly, my understanding is you can order one zone on joyent public cloud and treat it like you would a VPS for all practical purposes
[03:22:16] <myrkraverk> Ah, yeah; that's basically what I want -- I think.
[03:22:30] <myrkraverk> My old VPS provider is going out of the VPS business and I need to migrate.
[03:24:57] <dsockwell> sounds like a person could clean up with a cpanel skin for JPC
[03:28:38] <myrkraverk> Maybe I'll just email sales @ joyent, and see if they'll recommend something. I'm kind of attracted to fixed monthly prices; but that seems to be gone from everyone's offering, from I can tell. Everything is cloud based now.
[03:29:11] <myrkraverk> Though I guess I might have to wait until Monday or after Easter for a reply.
[03:30:14] <dsockwell> who was your old host?
[03:30:24] <myrkraverk> Hetzner.
[03:30:39] <LeftWing> myrkraverk: If you provision one zone, it has a fixed hourly rate -- and thus a fixed monthly rate.
[03:30:41] <myrkraverk> I thought I could go with Digital Ocean, but they seem to be cloud only too.
[03:31:18] <LeftWing> The cloud is really just other people's computers, with a provisioning API
[03:31:32] <dsockwell> i dont understand the difference between vps and cloud, plenty of people use one long-running cloud servers as they would a vps
[03:31:33] <myrkraverk> Yeah.
[03:31:57] <myrkraverk> dsockwell: I guess the "cloud" marketing strategy is just confusing me.
[03:32:28] <dsockwell> it's a way for people to buy more 'vps' things faster
[03:32:35] <dsockwell> you can still have one
[03:33:01] <myrkraverk> I hope I can; I've been procrastinating my migration, so I need to hurry.
[03:34:52] <LeftWing> I think the biggest difference is that some cloud providers offer "ephemeral" instances of different sorts. In those cases the instances are less durable, but often cheaper.
[03:35:36] <LeftWing> Joyent zones are effectively all persistent, provided you don't destroy them, but you still need to back your data up in case the server fails completely.
[03:35:50] <dsockwell> i think joyent is great but you could also just go to the Hetzner cloud, unless they're shutting that down too
[03:35:53] <LeftWing> If you select another provider, you may want to make sure you're using the persistent disk type.
[03:36:44] <LeftWing> Yeah I feel like the market for VMs is pretty well-served at this point.
[03:36:55] <myrkraverk> I just want to host my blog; it's not business sensitive; but I still want it available most of the time.
[03:37:10] <LeftWing> What blog software are you using?
[03:37:52] <myrkraverk> dsockwell: hetzner is offering cloud migrations; but since I need to migrate I don't have to choose them.
[03:38:13] <myrkraverk> LeftWing: wordpress.
[03:38:27] <LeftWing> Have you considered using a hosted WordPress service?
[03:38:46] <LeftWing> May well be cheaper than a full VM these days.
[03:39:06] <myrkraverk> Not really, since I'm also hosting a few other things on the webserver and I'd like to continue with that if I can.
[03:39:29] <LeftWing> Fair enough!
[03:41:32] <myrkraverk> How does joyent price their hourly rate? Is it based on CPU hours, or clock hours?
[03:42:21] <dsockwell> i'm sure you've found https://www.joyent.com/pricing/cloud/compute
[03:43:07] <dsockwell> it even switches to monthly with a check box on the left
[03:43:09] <myrkraverk> dsockwell: yes, that's the chart I'm reading
[03:43:50] <dsockwell> it will be for clock hours, not cpu hours. you pay to be in the queue, not strictly to use the processor.
[03:43:52] <myrkraverk> I guess it's clock hours then.
[03:47:48] <dsockwell> the one thing about zones is you might try the smallest option, it's easy to change the size later if you need to. also if you resize a few times to figure out which one is best that would be a hassle with a classic vps right? that's when the per-minute billing helps you
[03:49:03] <myrkraverk> Yeah, I guess.
[03:55:09] <dsockwell> they changed their free trial from a money credit to just letting you use 2GB, maybe you can freeload this weekend and see if you like it
[03:59:26] <myrkraverk> Maybe. For now I'm just keeping my mind open.
[04:07:03] <myrkraverk> . o O ( now I really understand why providers are so enamored of the cloud, it's the same "other people's computers, but more expensive" )
[04:17:06] <Smithx10> LeftWing: So that just means, the "android" approach would probably be the quickest way to get the unique tag
[04:18:49] <Smithx10> And like you said, we could always change later. I bet with SmartOS running on GCE that would also ease the testing for bfitz
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[08:05:30] <HerbalNekoTea> Hi, it might be a very stupid idea i got, but well, i would be interested in trying, maybe, how possible would it be to make an illumos distro with arch linux's pacman package manager ?
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[08:18:48] <dsockwell> throw it in a lx-brand zone and it'll think it's linux]
[08:19:49] <dsockwell> HerbalNekoTea: it's plausible to put an arch userland on SmartOS
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[15:35:21] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 10601 Pool allocation classes -- Don Brady <don.brady at delphix dot com>
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[17:24:03] <igork> danmcd is superhero! :) thank you very much
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[18:23:37] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 10689 srpt_cm_conn_closed_hdlr() needs a smatch fix -- John Levon <john.levon at joyent dot com>
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