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[00:02:27] <igork> 2joyent: do you have plans upstream LSO updates and fixes for i40e?
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[00:12:10] <rmustacc> igork: Yes, we will. However, there were some initial issues with them that we've had to sort out and follow ons.
[00:12:19] <rmustacc> We don't want to upstream something that's broken.
[00:13:43] <igork> rmustacc: thanks for info, will wait updates
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[02:29:40] <richlowe> rmustacc: did we get to the bottom of the CTF things?
[02:32:55] <rmustacc> richlowe: The current round that jlevon was looking at?
[02:46:21] <richlowe> Yes.
[02:47:21] <rmustacc> Not sure if jlevon did or didn't.
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[04:19:47] <jbk> tsoome: are there any docs for debugging the loader?
[04:20:09] <jbk> when i try to boot smartos under bhyve, it only registers about 1/10 the keypresses via ttya
[04:21:02] <jbk> (so if I'm able to get to the loader prompt, i end up typing 'bbbbbbbbbbooooooooooooooooooootttttttttt...' to get it to echo 'boot'
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[07:22:39] <tsoome> uh
[07:23:41] <tsoome> jbk: the bios serial console is in usr/src/boot/sys/boot/i386/libi386/comconsole.c
[07:30:14] <tsoome> the same io port based code is in our early boot, does the kmdb (boot -kd) have the same defect?
[07:44:55] <jbk> in kmdb it did not
[07:45:24] <tsoome> hm.
[07:45:43] <jbk> i'll try to recreate it in the morning
[07:45:53] <tsoome> the console loop itself is in common/console.c
[07:46:25] <tsoome> hm
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[07:47:58] <tsoome> see getchar() in console.c - remove/reduce the delay there, maybe thats the cause
[07:51:07] <tsoome> it could be the bhyve delay is not that friendly.
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[12:29:21] <jlevon> tsoome: your whitespace change can't be reviewed on RB
[12:29:30] <jlevon> guess I can download the diff
[12:36:12] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 10685 SMB code needs smatch fixes -- John Levon <john.levon at joyent dot com>
[12:38:38] <tsoome> hm
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[14:34:11] <andy_js> I thought mdb was supposed to demangle C++ now.
[14:34:24] <andy_js> It’s not working on my system. What am I missing?
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[14:52:25] <andy_js> Never mind.
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[15:15:29] <jimklimov> Hi all, I wondered if there are some mass-market illumos based ZFS appliances?
[15:15:49] <jimklimov> backed by some company :)
[15:16:33] <jimklimov> and preferably one active on Czech market
[15:18:09] <jimklimov> I would like to stick one into our build farm for worker VMs (SSDs and all) and less active storage of build artifacts, older releases etc. And the dayjob rightly is careful about me alone building and runnign one - if I leave, who would they ask to manage, repair, etc.
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[15:29:28] <tsoome> nexenta?:P
[15:29:46] <jimklimov> might be, why not
[15:30:01] <jimklimov> are they good guys nowadays? or... ?
[15:31:01] <jimklimov> at least if the local corporate would like them, better than some random crappy NAS...
[15:31:10] <jimklimov> nexenta does not do HW now, does it?
[15:31:42] <jimklimov> do they recommend some then? our dayjob leans strongly toward HP, though Dell may be an option
[15:32:00] <jimklimov> notoriously wanted to buy an AIX system from HP once, if possible
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[15:56:42] <chrisBF> Syneto sells illumos zfs appliances.
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[16:03:16] <v_a_b> Jim, have you looked at https://www.napp-it.org/index_en.html ?
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[17:51:01] <LeftWing> jlevon: Are there not various buttons to push to hide/display the whitespace?
[17:51:39] <LeftWing> I'm curious because I've been looking into the various options (Gerrit, Review Board, Differential, etc)
[17:52:45] <lewellyn> every time i look at the options, i end up wanting to just drink instead
[17:53:14] <LeftWing> I know the feeling. I was pretty keen on Gerrit, but it seems they're serious about removing the mode where you don't need the stupid "Change-Id: ..........." footer in every commit message.
[17:53:48] <LeftWing> You already get a deprecation warning in 2.16.7 if you don't use it, and after digging around I found the commit where they did it, and they said it's so they can remove it completely in the upcoming 3.0
[17:54:13] <LeftWing> So even though they've done a lot of work on improving the UI, I'm looking at other options for illumos
[17:54:24] <lewellyn> i honestly end up just deploying phabricator anymore whenever i need to help someone choose "repo + code review" things
[17:54:44] <LeftWing> Yeah phabricator is a bit weird, but it at least can show you the difference between changes to a revision
[17:54:56] <LeftWing> So can Review Board (and Gerrit)
[17:55:04] <LeftWing> Gogs & Gitea & Github can't, really
[17:55:05] <lewellyn> i like that it's a coherent whole, and that it can transparently mirror to github
[17:55:41] <lewellyn> i'm getting too old to cobble together pieces which almost fit
[17:56:09] <lewellyn> in my view, the work's better spent making a round wheel rounder than making an octagonal wheel round
[17:57:55] <LeftWing> Sure, I'm not looking to write a code management system from scratch haha
[17:58:40] <lewellyn> when i was at samsung, i ended up ripping out our team's github enterprise and replaced it with phabricator
[17:58:54] <LeftWing> Yeah?
[17:59:34] <lewellyn> i couldn't find a suitable code review thing that worked with GHE
[17:59:54] <LeftWing> Ahh
[18:00:11] <LeftWing> Is the GHE code review experience basically the same as pull requests on the GH service?
[18:00:12] <tsoome> phab is known having issues with whitespaces too
[18:00:18] <lewellyn> of course, as i left the company, the new manager started trying to replace phabricator with the atlassian suite. no idea how well that went
[18:00:24] <LeftWing> tsoome: Like... hiding whitespace-only diffs?
[18:00:37] <tsoome> no, misformatting
[18:00:43] <LeftWing> Ooh
[18:01:14] <tsoome> could be just about fonts anyhow..
[18:01:32] <lewellyn> LeftWing: lots of things do not deal well with on-prem github. it's much the same beast as .com but subtly different. and it was clear that, at least at the time, they didn't understand their market. it required information leakage on the login page, for instance. in addition to requiring 16gb ram for even a single repo to be hosted :/
[18:01:55] <lewellyn> tsoome: if you have a recent example, i'd be interested. last i tried to find similar breakage, it had all been fixed
[18:02:03] <lewellyn> maybe not in the forks, eg wikipedia, but in the main product
[18:02:26] <LeftWing> I've been tinkering with their free trial. On the plus side, it seems it was able to import the entire illumos-gate.git -- which is not true of, say, Gitlab!!
[18:02:42] <LeftWing> (Gitlab, at least the service, seems to be pretty serious about fscking all objects)
[18:03:00] <LeftWing> We have a few old commits imported from hg that aren't quite right
[18:03:07] <LeftWing> We'll never be able to fix them obviously
[18:03:10] <lewellyn> the team behind phabricator are pretty clueful and aren't intent upon a single worldview
[18:03:26] <LeftWing> Yeah I'm really trying to find something that doesn't require us to use their own bug tracker
[18:03:28] <lewellyn> that "we want to take the github world to the next level" is what got me off gitlab years ago
[18:03:43] <lewellyn> oh you can integrate external bug trackers with phabricator
[18:03:51] <LeftWing> Yeah, that's why I've been tinkering with it
[18:04:33] <LeftWing> Honestly still pretty bummed out about Gerrit and the Change-Id thing :\
[18:04:41] <lewellyn> honestly, it's probably the best whole right now. lots of people shrug it off because it's in php. but eh. a tool's a tool. it started at facebook, and fb is/was a php shop
[18:04:58] <LeftWing> PHP is definitely not my favourite, but Redmine is in Ruby and that's not my favourite either.
[18:05:09] <lewellyn> i like their commandline tools too. forcing lint before requesting code review is nice
[18:05:26] <LeftWing> I managed to get "arc" installed on OI. It's ... interesting
[18:05:43] <lewellyn> arc requires you to change how you think about things a bit, when you're used to the github world
[18:06:04] <LeftWing> Sure, but everything that isn't Github is going to need a shift in thinking. Some of us never shifted to the Github thinking, to be honest. :P
[18:06:54] <LeftWing> Honestly if Github allowed the kind of review that Gerrit does, where you can see the delta between each incremental revision of the change, it'd be way easier to recommend it as a reasonable path
[18:07:03] <lewellyn> arc, probably unintentionally, reminds me of the old days of corporate source control. just more streamlined. and that's not a bad thing. having an enforced process does help make better code.
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[18:22:34] <LeftWing> tsoome, richlowe: The Redmine outages are, it seems, because of the PDF generator... I've been stamping out the URLs which cause it, but a few had slipped through. Let me know if you notice any more issues.
[18:22:57] <tsoome> ou:)
[18:25:40] <richlowe> LeftWing: yuck
[18:25:52] <richlowe> LeftWing: also, you missed a huge chance not submitting the man rfd on april 1
[18:25:56] <richlowe> LeftWing: going to wait another year now?
[18:26:10] <jlevon> LeftWing: would it really be that hard to patch out the Change-Id code?
[18:26:29] <richlowe> jlevon: my understanding is the actual workflow changes too
[18:26:34] <jlevon> ugh
[18:26:59] <arekinath> Google are bastards when they want to deprecate something
[18:27:04] <arekinath> they do it proper
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[18:29:12] <richlowe> jlevon: did you get to the bottom of your ctf problems?
[18:29:30] <jlevon> not yet. something's going wrong somewhere in the merge
[18:29:38] <jlevon> and we end up remapping to the wrong ID
[18:29:46] <richlowe> yuck
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[18:40:57] <richlowe> LeftWing: can Jerry push?
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[18:44:54] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 10702 loader: console.c inconsistent indenting -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
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[19:57:05] <LeftWing> richlowe: Err not that I recall. I'll see if he wants to be able to.
[19:58:03] <LeftWing> jlevon: I _suspect_ patching out the Change-Id thing means maintaining a pre-3.0 fork forever
[19:58:12] <LeftWing> And it's a large and complicated project that I'm not super into forking
[19:58:21] <LeftWing> Though I agree it would be nice
[19:58:30] <LeftWing> Because the new UI in 2.16.X is actually muuuch better
[19:58:38] <LeftWing> And it basically otherwise does what we want
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[20:34:12] <andyf> tsoome - Quick question.. if I want to load a kernel and boot archive from a different disk, is it just 'load /...unix; load -t rootfs /...archive; boot' ?
[20:34:51] <tsoome> yes, your can use device prefix with all file commands
[20:35:04] <tsoome> like load disk0:/…
[20:35:07] <andyf> thanks, just trying now
[20:35:47] <tsoome> but root device is set based on currdev variable
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[20:38:46] <andyf> hmm, krtld link error
[20:39:05] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 10681 udp.c: udp_reuseaddr -- Marcel Telka <marcel at telka dot sk>
[20:39:06] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 10693 mmp test profiles incorrectly include mmp_write_distribution test -- Jerry Jelinek <jerry.jelinek at joyent dot com>
[20:39:15] <tsoome> ye boot archive has also kernel
[20:41:00] <andyf> any way around that? I did change currdev
[20:41:49] <tsoome> no, it is assumed the kernel is the same as in archive
[20:42:08] <andyf> ok. It should be the same
[20:42:33] <tsoome> yes
[20:42:48] <andyf> I mean, on the media I'm loading from, they should be the same
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[20:45:43] <tsoome> um there is a thing
[20:46:05] <tsoome> you may need to use name=argument to provide the correct path
[20:46:19] <tsoome> lsmod will list the data
[20:46:51] <melloc> LeftWing (IRC): GitHub does show you the differences between revisions now.
[20:48:04] <melloc> On the PR, it'll say "<username> force-pushed the foo branch from <sha1> to <sha2>"
[20:48:10] <melloc> And the "force-pushed" is a link to a diff.
[20:48:20] <melloc> Between the two SHAs.
[20:48:46] <andyf> lsmod is showing the kernel and the rootfs, both coming from the right place
[20:51:39] <andyf> Thanks for the help - I'll keep digging
[20:52:14] <melloc> They still don't allow you to comment outside of a hunk, though, which is frustrating.
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[21:10:40] <andyf> tsoome - the problem seems to be that krtld doesn't load the right kernel in synthetic_bootaux() - I can't see where it gets the pathname for that from
[21:11:00] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 10672 igb: NULL pointer issues -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
[21:16:40] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 10625 physmem: NULL pointer error -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
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