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[03:47:10] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 10692 df dumps core -- Gordon Ross <gwr at nexenta dot com>
[03:47:11] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 10698 SMB client fails to connect to MacOS server -- Gordon Ross <gwr at nexenta dot com>
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[14:28:41] <tsoome> SR to oracle: issues with solaris cluster… response: please send ilom snapshot. /facepalm
[14:33:56] <bdha> oof.
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[14:44:52] <tsoome> firstline support rules:)
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[18:30:04] <richlowe> jlevon, tsoome: Does this mean we can delete grub now?
[18:30:18] <jlevon> hah
[18:30:41] <tsoome> umum?
[18:31:34] <jlevon> tsoome: I pushed our loader bits today
[18:31:44] <tsoome> cool, gz!
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[18:40:16] <tsoome> so, it seems it is time to bring out the grub cleanup patch?:P
[18:41:15] <jlevon> to be serious, can we wait a while please.
[18:42:21] <tsoome> indeed
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[18:48:12] <jbk> have all the other distros already converted?
[18:52:25] <richlowe> "all" is not really possible to determine
[18:52:32] <richlowe> but now would be a great time to send a heads-up telling them to
[18:52:43] <richlowe> or to make alternative grub arrangements.
[18:54:00] <rmustacc> jlevon: What do you think we should do 3 months?
[18:54:09] <andyf> OmniOS switched in 2017 but some users still make use of grub
[18:54:34] <jlevon> I think we should at least try to flush 'em out?
[18:54:36] <andyf> but it's reasonable to schedule removal from gate
[18:54:37] <rmustacc> andyf: Do you know if that's for functionality reasons or just converting?
[18:54:47] <richlowe> jlevon: right, that's what the email is for...
[18:54:55] <andyf> rmustacc - in particular TFTP boot is much slower with loader in some environments
[18:55:05] <andyf> rmustacc - that's the one I know off the top of my head
[18:55:11] <rmustacc> OK.
[18:55:14] <andyf> I suspect many others are just wary of the switch
[18:55:16] <richlowe> do we know what "some environments" are?
[18:55:28] <andyf> ESX 6.x is one
[18:55:48] <andyf> I think KVM is another
[18:58:24] <andyf> FWIW, I'm in favour of setting a schedule..if we need to continue including grub in OmniOS, that's our problem to resolve
[19:12:03] <tsoome> issues is down?
[19:13:02] <tsoome> 504 Gateway Time-out
[19:16:59] <ptribble> Tribblix still supports grub, sort of, but the next release is planned not to have grub present at all
[19:17:25] <ptribble> (by sort of, I mean that I haven't forced existing grub installs to migrate yet)
[19:18:46] <richlowe> tsoome: works for me
[19:19:40] <tsoome> now for me too
[19:19:57] <richlowe> let's see if I get the monitoring emails
[19:20:09] <richlowe> yup
[19:20:44] <richlowe> I like how with the time delay of it being moderated (can we fix that bdha?), it told me it was down just after you confirmed it was back up
[19:21:04] <richlowe> hey look, now it's back up!
[19:21:11] <richlowe> isn't monitoring the best.
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[22:23:21] <jlevon> I wonder why GCC7 semi-randomly gives arrays a length of 0 in the DWARF.
[22:23:29] <jlevon> seems like a plain old bug to me
[22:24:38] <rmustacc> Maybe they're using a different attribute?
[22:24:53] <rmustacc> There was a separate attribute IIRC that clang used that gcc didn't historically use that maybe newer ones are?
[22:25:54] <jlevon> https://paste.ec/paste/QpXRFOqr#5oMY0JOQMu2yANBlDXO7odQBqrQ4mRGp97I6c2hbFUT
[22:26:27] <richlowe> jlevon: when you say semi-randomly, do you mean the same array sometimes is 0 and sometimes not, or that 0 arrays are 0 and some aren't, and you can't tell why?
[22:26:44] <jlevon> I *think* it's stable i.e. the latter.
[22:27:03] <richlowe> would have helped if I could type what my brain was thinking a bit better...
[22:27:38] <richlowe> I have a similar recollection to rmustacc about there being another way to do it.
[22:27:43] <jlevon> +extern char *res_types[0];
[22:27:48] <jlevon> extern char revert_zone[64];
[22:27:51] <jlevon> why one, not the other...
[22:27:57] <rmustacc> jlevon: What's the actual type?
[22:28:09] <richlowe> and where is it, so we can see the dwarf?
[22:28:13] <richlowe> where I mean "we" very loosely.
[22:28:14] <jlevon> zonecfg
[22:28:21] <jlevon> for example
[22:28:46] <rmustacc> Does feel like an odd bug there.
[22:28:49] <richlowe> oh yuck, my actual build didn't finish yet.
[22:29:00] <richlowe> jlevon: SOURCEDEBUG=yes a build of zonecfg and compare the dwarf?
[22:29:27] <jlevon> what the whole thing?
[22:29:29] <jlevon> I guess
[22:29:32] <rmustacc> richlowe: It was the DWARFv4 DW_AT_data_bit_offset vs. DW_AT_data_member_location.
[22:29:40] <rmustacc> I think that's probably what we're both thinking of?
[22:32:28] <richlowe> Well, res types is declared [] and initialized
[22:32:33] <richlowe> whereas revert_zone is declared explicitly sized
[22:32:40] <richlowe> I'm wondering if that provokes GCC to dwarf differently.
[22:32:55] <richlowe> and/or just wrongly
[22:33:20] <richlowe> or perhaps arguably not wrongly?
[22:33:47] <richlowe> foo *bar[] = {...}; could be pointed elsewhere, no?
[22:34:03] <richlowe> it's not const on either side
[22:35:11] <jlevon> yytext versus yysbuf then?
[22:35:44] <jlevon> hmm, yysbuf is also declared extern of unknown size
[22:36:01] <jlevon> that's a pain
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[22:51:31] <jlevon> the gcc 4 ctf for snoop is ... interesting.
[22:52:43] <rmustacc> Why do I feel like jlevon is laying out the facts for my prosecution.
[22:53:46] <jlevon> hah
[22:56:02] <jlevon> so I have a variable pointing to an incorrect non-root type
[22:59:21] <jlevon> rmustacc: is it the same for you? usr/src/cmd/cmd-inet/usr.sbin/snoop snoop_nfs4.o
[22:59:43] <jlevon> +extern char *cb_procnames_long[2];
[22:59:46] <jlevon> (gcc 4 versus 7)
[23:00:00] <rmustacc> Hmm, it'll take me a minute to get a gcc7 obj.
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[23:00:36] <jlevon> well it's gcc4 that's broken
[23:01:03] <rmustacc> gcc4 is broken for me.
[23:02:07] <rmustacc> That's unfortunate.
[23:02:11] <rmustacc> I wonder what the dwarf says.
[23:02:43] <jlevon> it looked right on a first pass
[23:03:07] <rmustacc> I'm not sure if that's more or less disappointing.
[23:03:44] <jlevon> const array of pointer to char yeah
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[23:28:44] <igork> to all: it still danger on production to have loader with upgrade while time-to-time it can fail with btx and save grub for a while can help
[23:29:39] <igork> for example: we have some supermicro servers where loader crashed with btx
[23:29:49] <rmustacc> Have you opened bugs on this?
[23:29:54] <igork> nope
[23:30:00] <rmustacc> Or helped debug it beyond just asking Toomas to do everything?
[23:30:43] <igork> i try to do collect data when i can
[23:30:54] <igork> with access to closed env
[23:31:43] <igork> yes, it is not problem to me - save grub. but i just wanted let others know - loader can fail
[23:31:57] <igork> additional example - secure usb stick
[23:32:16] <rmustacc> Well, if loader can fail, we wan to understand how, so we can fix it.
[23:32:17] <igork> it is inserted to server - it can crash with loader btx
[23:32:19] <rmustacc> Otherwise, it's not very useful.
[23:33:10] <igork> i have one secure usb stick, but it crash not in all servers
[23:33:21] <rmustacc> Well, if we can get more information, that'd be useful.
[23:33:27] <igork> for example: supermicro X11 board not crashed\
[23:34:05] <igork> i know about information, but i have stick and have no direct access to servers where it was crashed - i try determine it
[23:35:44] <igork> i have 5 identical 1U servers supermicro. 4 of servers works fine with loader, one server crashed time-to-time with system upgrade to newBE
[23:36:05] <rmustacc> OK, well, let's get it understood and fixed?
[23:36:32] <igork> was more easy and faster - switch to grub
[23:36:50] <igork> and try to to test loader when i have time
[23:37:17] <rmustacc> Well, that's how the Quality Death Spiral happens, but you have your own priorities. I can't tell you what yours should be any more than I let you tell me mine. ;)
[23:37:38] <igork> i just wanted provide info
[23:38:12] <rmustacc> Unfortunately, the way you provide it really doesn't help a lot of the time. Because it's presented in a way with no hope of making forward progress.
[23:38:44] <rmustacc> We want to solve these issues, but ultimately we'll need your help to do so.
[23:38:47] <igork> right now my priority on zfs side and i have very small time for others tasks, sorry. i try to test loader when i have time
[23:39:32] <igork> good news - zfs tests vms are working as well now
[23:39:36] <igork> with loader
[23:39:53] <igork> i have tested forward to ttya on vmware esxi
[23:40:17] <igork> and i try to test a lot updates to new BE with new tests
[23:40:40] <igork> but i need a time try to return and test on real hw
[23:41:52] <igork> it was really not good day when loader crashed on customer side with upgrade without direct access to server - only remote
[23:43:23] <igork> and loader missed one very useful grub feature - just new record where you have the same BE, but with additional flags like -kv
[23:43:48] <igork> i can setup these flags only for all loader BE
[23:44:30] <rmustacc> It's never a good day when that happens to a customer.
[23:44:36] <rmustacc> Or any user.
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[23:45:29] <igork> agreed
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[23:47:06] <igork> and right now before upgrade i do preparation additional env with ISO mount over ipmi :)
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