February 25, 2018 
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February 25, 2018 [00:11:27] *** thebardian <thebardian!~user@172-223-202-140.dhcp.chtrptr.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[00:39:33] *** kovert <kovert!~kovert@saidin.omniscient.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[00:41:50] *** kovert <kovert!~kovert@saidin.omniscient.com> has joined #illumos[00:57:17] *** natkin <natkin!~textual@104-189-74-222.lightspeed.snantx.sbcglobal.net> has quit IRC (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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Nothing says _where_[01:50:10] <LeftWing> I hear there should be a lot of space over in /bin/true[01:50:17] <LeftWing> Maybe we can put it there[02:08:23] *** natkin <natkin!~textual@104-189-74-222.lightspeed.snantx.sbcglobal.net> has quit IRC (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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behaviour where forkx() is returning non-zero in the child process.[13:14:16] <andy_js> And I don’t mean -1 either.[14:16:45] *** alhazred_ <alhazred_!~Alex@dsl-lprbng11-54f889-133.dhcp.inet.fi> has quit IRC ()[14:20:20] *** eroux <eroux!~eroux@196-210-83-237.dynamic.isadsl.co.za> has joined #illumos[14:38:07] *** amosbird <amosbird!~amosbird@123.206.66.49> has quit IRC (Quit: ZNC 1.6.5 - http://znc.in)[14:38:28] *** amosbird <amosbird!~amosbird@123.206.66.49> has joined #illumos[14:43:51] *** asx <asx!~asx@93-34-145-252.ip50.fastwebnet.it> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[14:44:16] *** asx <asx!~asx@93-34-145-252.ip50.fastwebnet.it> has joined #illumos[15:02:11] *** alhazred <alhazred!~Alex@dsl-lprbng11-54f889-133.dhcp.inet.fi> has joined #illumos[15:47:09] *** natkin <natkin!~textual@104-189-74-222.lightspeed.snantx.sbcglobal.net> has joined #illumos[15:49:29] *** natkin <natkin!~textual@104-189-74-222.lightspeed.snantx.sbcglobal.net> has quit IRC (Client 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Cantrill mentioned maybe.... switching to GoLang............. is that idea now completely destroyed? If so.... please confirm with /bin/true[18:21:27] *** merzo <merzo!~merzo@174-42-132-95.pool.ukrtel.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[18:27:57] <rmustacc> andyf: Thanks, that's great news.[18:33:53] *** Guest41109 <Guest41109!~chat@p54B2F157.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[18:34:40] *** dxtr <dxtr!faa4b60f@unaffiliated/dxtr> has joined #illumos[18:36:01] *** chat <chat!~chat@p54B2F157.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #illumos[18:36:04] *** merzo <merzo!~merzo@179-52-132-95.pool.ukrtel.net> has joined #illumos[18:36:24] *** chat is now known as Guest32622[18:37:18] *** alhazred_ <alhazred_!~Alex@dsl-lprbng11-54f889-133.dhcp.inet.fi> has quit IRC ()[18:45:13] *** merzo <merzo!~merzo@179-52-132-95.pool.ukrtel.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[19:14:23] *** Guest32622 <Guest32622!~chat@p54B2F157.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[19:19:08] *** chat <chat!~chat@p54B2F157.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined 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connection)[20:46:10] *** jcea <jcea!~Thunderbi@2001:41d0:1:8a82:7670:6e00:7670:6e00> has joined #illumos[21:06:50] <alanc> richlowe: D 1.4 91/12/04 03:22:20 robbin 5 4 00001/00001/00024[21:06:50] <alanc> fixed bug #1072516: ed is subject to failures[21:07:44] <alanc> "ed is subject to failures theoretically, due to conflict between[21:07:44] <alanc> sbrk() and gettext()'s use of malloc."[21:09:43] <alanc> oh, I see, https://github.com/illumos/illumos-gate/blob/master/usr/src/cmd/ed/ed.c calls sbrk() directly, so could clash with use of sbrk() by malloc in libc, so just needs any non-sbrk() malloc() and in 1991, that was mapmalloc[21:09:58] *** papertigers <papertigers!~papertige@pool-108-55-7-63.bflony.fios.verizon.net> has joined #illumos[21:10:31] <alanc> alternatively, bring ed kicking and screaming into the 1980's and make it use malloc() like a normal program and not sbrk()[21:11:52] *** janci <janci!~janci@binaryparadise.com> has joined #illumos[21:12:29] <alanc> also, https://github.com/illumos/illumos-gate/blob/master/usr/src/cmd/ed/ed.c#L477 is seriously deranged[21:20:00] *** ed209 <ed209!~ed209@165.225.128.67> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[21:20:08] *** ed209 <ed209!~ed209@165.225.128.67> has joined #illumos[21:30:27] <alanc> so to answer richlowe's original question, "No you probably don't want to know, because it'll make your todo list longer"[21:31:02] *** amrfrsh <amrfrsh!~Thunderbi@5.79.84.89> has joined #illumos[21:38:41] *** ptribble <ptribble!~ptribble@cpc92716-cmbg20-2-0-cust138.5-4.cable.virginm.net> has joined #illumos[22:13:13] *** Toasterson <Toasterson!~toast@2a02:aa10:e280:b880:e3d5:f722:2d0a:1d1a> has joined #illumos[22:15:22] *** wiedi <wiedi!~wiedi@ip5b409739.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[22:17:13] *** wiedi <wiedi!~wiedi@ip5b409739.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de> has joined #illumos[22:23:48] *** gila <gila!~gila@5ED4D9C8.cm-7-5d.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has quit IRC (Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com)[22:25:36] <LeftWing> Now I feel like I should be modernising ed[22:26:06] <LeftWing> alanc: L477 there is _amazing_. :D[22:26:52] <LeftWing> Hahahaha, the use of gettext on the strings from msgtab[] indexed by integer literals[22:26:55] <LeftWing> This is so good[22:28:45] <LeftWing> Smithx10: I think what Bryan was suggesting is that we consider new positions and technologies periodically, and Go was just an example of something we have had people look at.[22:35:47] <LeftWing> Goto statements within switch... longjmp() on errors... #ifndef RESEARCH... ed has everything![22:37:42] *** mnowak_ <mnowak_!~mnowak_@94.142.238.232> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[22:37:54] <LeftWing> https://github.com/illumos/illumos-gate/blob/master/usr/src/cmd/ed/ed.c#L2731-L2769 <--- :D[22:39:18] <jbk> it was such a simpler, more elegant time...[22:41:44] *** gila <gila!~gila@5ED4D9C8.cm-7-5d.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has joined #illumos[22:47:57] *** 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