February 23, 2018 
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February 23, 2018 [00:06:35] *** phyre <phyre!~phyre___@188.208.100.249> has joined #illumos[00:11:27] *** phyre <phyre!~phyre___@188.208.100.249> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[00:22:11] *** jbk <jbk!jbk@syzygy.io> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[00:22:17] *** jbk <jbk!jbk@syzygy.io> has joined #illumos[00:25:21] *** ngchk1 <ngchk1!~wilkens@b2b-92-50-91-166.unitymedia.biz> has joined #illumos[00:36:25] *** Toasterson <Toasterson!~toast@2a02:aa10:e280:b880:e3d5:f722:2d0a:1d1a> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[00:49:34] *** ngchk1_ <ngchk1_!~wilkens@b2b-92-50-91-166.unitymedia.biz> has joined #illumos[00:49:49] *** ngchk1 <ngchk1!~wilkens@b2b-92-50-91-166.unitymedia.biz> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[01:34:17] *** glasspelican <glasspelican!~quassel@ktnron060ww-lp130-04-76-67-126-214.dsl.bell.ca> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[01:36:53] *** glasspelican <glasspelican!~quassel@ktnron060ww-lp130-04-76-67-126-214.dsl.bell.ca> has joined #illumos[01:38:37] *** jwk404 <jwk404!~jwk404@c-73-95-226-215.hsd1.co.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Quit: leaving)[02:10:52] *** andy_js <andy_js!~andy@5ec0fdb3.skybroadband.com> has quit IRC (Quit: andy_js)[02:13:42] <alanc> googling for "illumos security contact" returns https://www.illumos.org/issues/462 "We should totally have one" - unfixed for 7 years, and I can't find any security contact info looking on illumos.org either[02:14:07] <alanc> seems silly to complain about lack of contacts when you don't give anyone a way to do so[02:14:50] *** ryao-phone <ryao-phone!~gentoofan@gentoo/developer/ryao> has joined #illumos[02:16:24] <jlevon_> alanc: what's that in reply to, alan?[02:17:21] <alanc> the "seems silly to complain" is in reply to bmc in the WSJ complaining no one told you about Spectre or Meltdown before it happened[02:18:03] <alanc> me googling for it was trying to figure out who to provide as a contact for the attempt I was going to make to get you invited to the CERT meeting on improving vulnerability disclosures[02:18:15] <arekinath> the CERT does have us on a bunch of lists[02:18:32] <alanc> oh, then I guess I don't need to ask them to add you[02:18:36] <rmustacc> alanc: I believe bmc was referring into the customer/vendor relationship, not the oss relationship. But I'm not bmc.[02:18:47] <rmustacc> But yes, that needs to get updated.[02:19:06] <alanc> still, if anyone who found a bug wanted to tell you, you don't make it easy for them[02:19:06] *** ryao-phone <ryao-phone!~gentoofan@gentoo/developer/ryao> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[02:19:21] <rmustacc> alanc: Not disagreeing with you that it's a problem.[02:19:23] <arekinath> alanc: I don't think I saw anything come past about a meeting though. where is it?[02:19:45] <alanc> San Francisco, in April, when RSA conference is in town[02:20:00] *** ed2091 <ed2091!~ed209@165.225.128.67> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[02:20:07] *** ed209 <ed209!~ed209@165.225.128.67> has joined #illumos[02:20:08] <alanc> invite only - I'm on the invite list as the security contact for X.Org, not my day job[02:21:23] <arekinath> k. we should probably figure out how to get security at illumos dot org or something onto that... or even just security at joyent dot com I guess for me[02:21:54] <alanc> is security at illumos dot org the right address? If so, I'll go ahead and ask CERT[02:22:13] <bdha> security at lists dot illumos.org is a thing that exists.[02:22:35] <rmustacc> securty at illumos dot org[02:22:41] <arekinath> yeah no, not the @lists. one[02:22:42] <rmustacc> Erm, security[02:22:44] <rmustacc> If I can spell.[02:22:47] <bdha> Where does that go?[02:23:38] <bdha> I don't see that alias in the pobox settings.[02:23:42] <bdha> Where do you _want_ it to go?[02:23:54] <bdha> ah, nm, I see it.[02:24:16] <bdha> Probably want to fix danmcd's fwd. Add Alex? Which addr?[02:24:34] <arekinath> LeftWing: said it can only contain 5 slots?[02:24:38] <arekinath> do you have magic powers?[02:24:57] <alanc> heh, googling for "security at illumos dot org" found exactly two hits - https://illumos.topicbox.com/groups/discuss/Tb5a942bea4566367 and a site that's not responding[02:24:59] <bdha> Not anymore, no. But Dan's fwd is wrong and he's not building a distro anymore. So I can swap around.[02:25:08] <arekinath> I'm not an advocate tho[02:25:10] <arekinath> so dk[02:25:11] <arekinath> *idk[02:25:22] <LeftWing> This feels like a lodge sort of discussion[02:25:28] <LeftWing> And I don't see any lodge hats[02:25:31] <bdha> Oh, do we have processes now?[02:25:44] <arekinath> someone should have some processes[02:26:04] <bdha> The only processes I have respond to SIGKILL.[02:26:17] <bdha> LeftWing: Another thing to add to the "port the docs" bucket.[02:26:21] <LeftWing> +1[02:26:26] <bdha> LeftWing: Where's that cal invite? ;)[02:26:35] <LeftWing> crap[02:26:39] <rmustacc> demerit[02:26:45] <arekinath> ENOBOT[02:26:46] <rmustacc> This isn't really helpful.[02:27:06] <bdha> Sorry.[02:27:11] <rmustacc> We have a lot of deficencies here and we need to really get it sorted.[02:27:20] <rmustacc> But I also know it's not going to happen right at this instant.[02:27:30] <bdha> security at illumos dot org is a thing that currently exists and can be used.[02:27:33] <rmustacc> alanc is right, but it's embarassing.[02:28:25] <alanc> well I got the answer I was looking for, and you have things to put on the todo list[02:28:47] <alanc> I mean, it's not like I can hold up my employer as an example of security communication done well[02:29:55] <bdha> I poked danmcd so I can update his fwd.[02:35:20] <elegast> Did I just walk into a Joyent board meeting?[02:36:15] *** v_a_b1 <v_a_b1!~volker@p57A27CC2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #illumos[02:36:35] *** v_a_b <v_a_b!~volker@p57A27A4B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[02:37:05] * elegast sits down in chairman's seat[02:38:08] * elegast signs asset transfer documents[02:38:48] * elegast walks away[03:09:21] *** alyptik <alyptik!ayy@cpe-76-173-133-37.hawaii.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[03:10:04] *** alyptik <alyptik!ayy@cpe-76-173-133-37.hawaii.res.rr.com> has joined #illumos[03:16:47] *** kovert <kovert!~kovert@saidin.omniscient.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[03:17:18] *** kovert <kovert!~kovert@saidin.omniscient.com> has joined #illumos[03:25:29] <arekinath> is anyone interested in starting to look at kpti and kpti-pcid webrevs? there's still one more thing I want to do (add cr3 to kdi/kmdb's kdi_regs struct and make it restore it from there always on the way out), but it's getting pretty close to a final form I think.[03:26:09] *** jcea <jcea!~Thunderbi@2001:41d0:1:8a82:7670:6e00:7670:6e00> has quit IRC (Quit: jcea)[03:26:57] <arekinath> maybe I will just send them out to illumos-dev with a note saying "more explanation and stuff to come" :P[03:58:03] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@218.89.234.176> has joined #illumos[04:02:18] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@218.89.234.176> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[04:12:17] *** elegast <elegast!~elegast@2001:983:af19:1:a11:96ff:fe19:64c4> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[04:14:33] *** elegast <elegast!~elegast@2001:983:af19:1:a11:96ff:fe19:64c4> has 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I have some without PCID, some with just PCID and some with INVPCID too.[21:05:46] <andyf> but it looks like I'll need to take `OS-3678 many file event monitors on a single vnode can induce stack overflow` in too, which is from 2015[21:06:56] *** alhazred <alhazred!~Alex@dsl-lprbng11-54f889-133.dhcp.inet.fi> has quit IRC ()[21:07:35] *** alhazred <alhazred!~Alex@dsl-lprbng11-54f889-133.dhcp.inet.fi> has joined #illumos[21:07:42] *** alhazred <alhazred!~Alex@dsl-lprbng11-54f889-133.dhcp.inet.fi> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[21:07:56] *** alhazred <alhazred!~Alex@dsl-lprbng11-54f889-133.dhcp.inet.fi> has joined #illumos[21:08:28] *** alhazred <alhazred!~Alex@dsl-lprbng11-54f889-133.dhcp.inet.fi> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[21:08:45] *** alhazred <alhazred!~Alex@dsl-lprbng11-54f889-133.dhcp.inet.fi> has joined #illumos[21:09:15] *** alhazred <alhazred!~Alex@dsl-lprbng11-54f889-133.dhcp.inet.fi> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[21:09:31] *** alhazred <alhazred!~Alex@dsl-lprbng11-54f889-133.dhcp.inet.fi> has joined #illumos[21:10:01] *** alhazred <alhazred!~Alex@dsl-lprbng11-54f889-133.dhcp.inet.fi> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[21:10:16] *** alhazred <alhazred!~Alex@dsl-lprbng11-54f889-133.dhcp.inet.fi> has joined #illumos[21:13:49] *** alhazred <alhazred!~Alex@dsl-lprbng11-54f889-133.dhcp.inet.fi> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[21:18:12] *** mnowak_ <mnowak_!~mnowak_@94.142.238.232> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[21:20:07] *** ed209 <ed209!~ed209@165.225.128.67> has joined #illumos[21:20:20] <igork> arekinath: what is the latest commit can be useful at https://github.com/rmustacc/illumos-gate/commits/kpti-dev ?[21:20:41] <andyf> igork I would look at the kpti-squash branch.[21:20:51] <arekinath> yeah, the kpti-squash branch is what I put in the webrev[21:20:56] <andyf> and on top of OmniOS at least, these commits in order[21:21:03] <andyf> OS-6546 Use PCID if KPTI is enabled[21:21:03] <andyf> OS-6390 hati_demap_func should take pagesize into account Reviewe..[21:21:03] <andyf> OS-6547 Implement KPTI[21:21:03] <andyf> OS-6565 remove KMDB branch debugging support OS-6566 ::crregs cou..[21:21:03] <andyf> kdi_idt: Cast GATESEG_GETOFFSET through uintptr_t[21:21:04] <andyf> OS-3678 many file event monitors on a single vnode can induce sta..[21:21:10] <igork> andyf: it is not problem to me to use several updates[21:21:11] <andyf> (er, that's reverse order)[21:21:32] <arekinath> igork: you'll have a lot of noise rebasing those patches though, since we rewrote things along the way[21:21:43] <arekinath> the squashed patches are much easier to move around[21:21:52] <igork> arekinath: i know - i have separate branch[21:22:04] *** mnowak_ <mnowak_!~mnowak_@94.142.238.232> has joined #illumos[21:22:14] <igork> arekinath: could you point to big one then >[21:22:16] <igork> ?[21:22:29] <arekinath> the kpti-squash branch[21:22:39] <igork> thanks[21:22:59] <igork> arekinath: what is process for update it >[21:23:00] <igork> ?[21:23:55] <igork> and latest update was today?[21:24:15] <arekinath> by update do you mean rebasing it on master?[21:24:20] <igork> yes[21:24:21] <arekinath> or something else?[21:24:27] <igork> rebase to master[21:24:32] <igork> + your new updates[21:24:36] <arekinath> we just rebase it[21:24:39] <arekinath> like git rebase[21:24:53] <igork> and it's ready to use ?[21:25:02] <arekinath> we test it again after that[21:25:04] <igork> or still on testing?[21:25:14] <igork> ok, thanks for info[21:25:16] <arekinath> we're still testing it[21:25:30] <arekinath> but it's going pretty well and seems to work on the machines we've tried[21:25:37] <arekinath> including some pretty big and busy machines[21:25:43] <igork> on real hw ?[21:25:43] <arekinath> which is why I sent it out for review[21:25:46] <igork> ot kvm vm ?[21:25:47] <arekinath> yes, of course[21:25:52] <igork> ok, thanks[21:34:50] <andyf> arekinath - may be too early to say but do you know if the other changes like OS-3678 will be upstreamed with or before KPTI? Seems it would be better than having to rework the patch again for illumos-gate[21:38:41] <arekinath> I don't know at this stage, but whatever we do I'd bet we try to do it the easy way :P[21:38:52] <arekinath> upstreaming those first seems like the easy way to me[21:39:19] <andyf> Reading illumos-joyent commits is dangerous... there's so much good stuff in there[21:40:21] <Smithx10> andyf: I got lost the other day rofl[21:41:01] <Smithx10> andyf: Just pray to the Samsung gods[21:41:05] <andyf> Well OmniOS already sideports things from Joyent for LX... it's often tempting to take other fixes that appear but we sit on our hands[21:41:08] <andyf> mostly..[21:41:24] <arekinath> heh. sorry about that[21:41:26] <andyf> we did take the 64-bit stackclash protection last year..[21:41:40] <arekinath> we do try to upstream quickly but things get busy[21:42:07] <andyf> Oh yes, not a criticism.. I see loads going upstream too[21:42:50] <andyf> and without the work you're doing on KPTI, illumos' future would be much less bright[21:43:09] *** mnowak_ <mnowak_!~mnowak_@94.142.238.232> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[21:46:28] * andyf heads off to build and boot KPTI+PCID OmniOS :)[21:54:23] *** ptribble <ptribble!~ptribble@cpc92716-cmbg20-2-0-cust138.5-4.cable.virginm.net> has joined #illumos[21:58:19] *** amrmesh <amrmesh!~Thunderbi@79.127.2.186> has joined #illumos[22:00:59] *** amrfrsh <amrfrsh!~Thunderbi@5.79.84.89> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[22:01:00] *** amrmesh is now known as amrfrsh[22:12:49] *** mgerdts <mgerdts!~textual@47.41.171.90> has joined #illumos[22:14:25] *** phyre <phyre!~phyre___@188.208.100.249> has joined #illumos[22:19:56] <sjorge> andyf: how is the rb for the gpt mbr fix coming?[22:25:52] *** dano <dano!~dano@dno.erigones.cloud> has joined #illumos[22:26:43] <andyf> good I think - just needs one more reviewer really before RTI[22:34:31] *** btibble <btibble!~brantibbl@c-24-72-255-52.ni.gigamonster.net> has joined #illumos[22:41:45] *** natkin <natkin!~textual@104-189-74-222.lightspeed.snantx.sbcglobal.net> has quit IRC (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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ZZZzzz…)[22:56:08] *** Kurlon_ <Kurlon_!~Kurlon@98.13.72.207> has joined #illumos[22:56:20] *** phyre <phyre!~phyre___@188.208.100.249> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[22:57:04] <jbk> not that it's as sexy as bhyve, but i am trying to upstream all the smaller prerequisite bits for ikev2 as they make sense so that it'll hopefully be easy to integrate once it's done[22:58:37] <jbk> side note: expect a few more pkcs11 changes in the next month or so (hopefully) :P[22:59:59] *** Kurlon <Kurlon!~Kurlon@bidd-pub-03.gwi.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[23:07:09] *** ptribble <ptribble!~ptribble@cpc92716-cmbg20-2-0-cust138.5-4.cable.virginm.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[23:15:15] *** mnowak_ <mnowak_!~mnowak_@94.142.238.232> has joined #illumos[23:18:10] *** modernpacifist <modernpacifist!~modernpac@fig.dmf.zone> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 1.7)[23:18:29] *** modernpacifist <modernpacifist!~modernpac@fig.dmf.zone> has joined #illumos[23:27:54] <andyf> jbk - happy to review them once they come up... I don't suppose you've ever looked at removing the openssl dependency from libipsecutil? That's another tiny usage, only used by 'ikeadm dump p1' as far as I can tell[23:47:48] <jbk> i need to look closer -- libipsecutil is also used by the closed source in.iked[23:51:26] <andyf> Ah - just looking for quick wins to slim down my openssl 1.1 patch[23:53:00] <jbk> though a quick looks suggests it doesn't use any of the potentially impacted functions[23:54:16] <andyf> It's only using openssl for print_asn1_name()[23:54:21] <jbk> yeah..[23:56:49] <jbk> let me talk to danmcd when he's around, but we might be able to use libkmf for that[23:59:03] <andyf> Might have a play myself too - looks plausible and should be a lot easier to write a test case for than the last one[23:59:47] <jbk> unfortunately, libkmf is largely undocumented :)