February 17, 2018 
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<amrfrsh!~Thunderbi@37.255.62.67> has joined #illumos[09:59:50] *** chrustler <chrustler!~chrustler@94-137-110-36.customers.ownit.se> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[10:02:52] *** chrustler <chrustler!~chrustler@94-137-110-36.customers.ownit.se> has joined #illumos[10:04:24] <leoric> two small fixes to review: http://buildzone.oi-build.r61.net/webrev-9123/ and http://buildzone.oi-build.r61.net/webrev-9124/[10:49:30] <Woodstock> leoric: is it really necessary to put those libs in /usr/gcc/...?[10:49:55] <leoric> we need to put them outside of /usr/lib, as we want to have several gcc runtimes[10:49:58] *** andy_js <andy_js!~andy@5ec0fdb3.skybroadband.com> has joined #illumos[10:50:35] <leoric> We could have put them in /usr/lib/gcc/* , but issue remains the same ;)[10:51:14] <leoric> for gcc 4 we didn't have this problem as gcc 4 c++ runtimes were compatible[10:53:52] <leoric> the more interesting thing is that in theory, if illumos-gate and userland use different compilers (with different runtimes), we can end up with both runtime libraries linked into the same binary[10:56:23] <Woodstock> leoric: i really like what omnios does with that runtimes, which seems to work nicely without needing a new subdirectory[10:58:40] <leoric> what do they do?[10:59:57] <leoric> deliver /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6.xxx and mediated symlinks?[11:01:11] *** jubal <jubal!~jubal@205-5-237-24.gci.net> has joined #illumos[11:01:34] <Woodstock> yes[11:01:44] <leoric> This is strange[11:02:04] <leoric> this relies on fact that libs with the same SONAME are compatible[11:02:10] <leoric> and they are not[11:03:06] <leoric> we have 'NEEDED 0xf230 libstdc++.so.6' in binaries[11:03:21] <leoric> and we wouldn't know which runtime is really used[11:03:26] <leoric> it depends on mediator[11:04:52] *** jubal_ <jubal_!~jubal@205-5-237-24.gci.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[11:08:47] <Woodstock> hm[11:20:00] *** ed209 <ed209!~ed209@165.225.128.67> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[11:20:07] *** ed209 <ed209!~ed209@165.225.128.67> has joined #illumos[11:21:57] *** alyptik <alyptik!ayy@cpe-76-173-133-37.hawaii.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[11:24:02] *** alyptik <alyptik!ayy@cpe-76-173-133-37.hawaii.res.rr.com> has joined #illumos[11:27:34] <igork> it is very bad solution with mediated link to libstdc++.so.6.xxx[11:27:49] <igork> to place /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6.xxx[11:28:22] <igork> because without RPATH to correct place - you will use crle[11:37:02] *** alhazred <alhazred!~Alex@dsl-lprbng11-54f889-133.dhcp.inet.fi> has joined #illumos[12:00:21] <yurip> just need to ship clang/libc++ in the gate ;)[12:02:50] *** Toasterson <Toasterson!~toast@2a02:1205:5072:b660:1722:38e2:38b5:e937> has joined #illumos[12:08:01] <igork> haha :)[12:08:26] <igork> how it can help to userland apps? :)[12:08:54] <igork> what i need to do for 'root' login by serial console?[12:09:16] <igork> i need: disable root on ssh, but enable it 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Once I get 1.3 installed.[23:33:02] * paul won a T5220 for £28 on eBay[23:33:28] <LeftWing> I won food poisoning at a restaurant recently :P[23:33:32] <paul> The parcel company dropped the box on its side, it wasn't well packaged. Literally bent. :([23:34:48] <LeftWing> I used to have so much kit from eBay. Packaging was definitely always the least reliable part of the experience.[23:34:48] <yurip> ok, we were fcked as we are now.[23:34:56] <paul> LeftWing: what do you have against old Niagara's? :)[23:35:20] <LeftWing> Merely that they're old and slow. I think they make fantastic museum pieces, but I would run an OS from the period on them.[23:35:36] <LeftWing> I have a Macintosh SE/30 I want to restore in my cupboard, for instance. But I'll be running System 7 on it.[23:36:28] <paul> LeftWing: still decent number of threads and memory bandwidth out of them, for the price you can get them for.[23:36:46] * paul is more interested in many, slow threads.[23:36:59] <igork> sparc is very good :)[23:37:00] <paul> least, the slowness doesn't bother me.[23:37:18] <LeftWing> SPARC was fantastic in 1998[23:37:23] <igork> it's slow, but very effective in some memory corruption diagnostic[23:37:40] <igork> and not only[23:37:53] <igork> big endian architecture[23:38:44] <LeftWing> It's slow, and not widely available, and there will never be a _new_ SPARC machine -- only a dwindling pool of used machines -- all of which makes it a huge burden for a project with limited resources.[23:39:13] <yurip> lol[23:39:14] <paul> LeftWing: i don't disagree.[23:39:17] <igork> but no alternatives still[23:40:15] <paul> 64 threads for £100 was still not a bad price though, assuming i can get some kind of half-recent OS working on it. ;)[23:40:27] <igork> a lot of old sparc hw still available and very cheaper[23:40:39] <yurip> igork: споем?[23:41:02] <igork> yurip: ты уже готов петь ? :) и сколько ты выпил ?[23:41:25] <igork> yurip: i'm not sure others can translate it no :)[23:41:27] <igork> now[23:42:03] <LeftWing> "are you ready to sing already? :) and how much did you drink?"[23:42:20] <igork> LeftWing: +1 :)[23:42:32] <LeftWing> Google Translate is surprisingly good these days[23:42:41] <igork> it some time :)[23:42:48] <LeftWing> Yeah, sometimes it's pretty bad.[23:42:51] <igork> or was easy to translate[23:42:52] <yurip> щнiy[23:43:10] <paul> SPARC is good for flushing out unaligned-access and endianess bugs, yes. :)[23:43:11] <igork> sorry, i don't understand ot[23:43:25] <paul> PPC64 too, but I know SPARC, and nada about PPC64.[23:43:35] <LeftWing> We don't have a PPC64 port :P[23:43:45] <igork> paul: you know SPARC asm ?[23:43:57] <yurip> it' not about stupid[23:44:06] <igork> we need some help with transition from Sun AS -> GNU AS[23:44:19] <paul> igork: I have seen SPARC asm :)[23:44:25] <igork> haha :)[23:44:33] <igork> it's good start :)[23:44:35] <paul> and I did once know about delay slots.[23:45:02] <igork> if you have time and want's to go - i have a lot of tasks :)[23:45:12] <igork> for some tasks i can pay[23:45:12] <yurip> we actually know[23:45:28] <paul> igork: moving existing asm from Sun to GNU format /might/ be something I could help with. Though, i have limited cycles.[23:45:41] <yurip> igork get lost.[23:45:45] <paul> If there were a lot to do, it might be tricky.[23:46:10] <igork> paul: it was just example - but we have some other areas with sparc too :)[23:46:14] <igork> paul: in userland[23:46:22] <igork> with ports of debian apps[23:46:35] <igork> i have more tasks :)[23:46:48] <igork> but i have no a lot of time to do all by myself only[23:46:51] <paul> why do you need to port from Sun AS to GNU?[23:47:03] <igork> Sun AS is closed binary[23:47:22] <igork> and i want to use the same gcc bootstrap what we have on intel[23:47:27] <paul> ah. from SOS...[23:47:30] <igork> + we can use cross build tools[23:47:46] <igork> and try to build apps on intel for sparc[23:48:02] <igork> but - have to work on build system too for it[23:48:15] <igork> it's possible - i have tested it ;)[23:48:32] <paul> cross compiling the diverse Unix/Linux user-space can be an uphill battle.[23:51:32] *** Teknix <Teknix!~pds@titanium.alloy.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[23:52:44] *** Teknix <Teknix!~pds@titanium.alloy.net> has joined #illumos