November 22, 2017 
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Needs not to be perfect at the moment.[22:57:12] <igork> tomww: what problems to use gnutls + krb5 + samba 4.x - as others to do it? :)[22:57:35] <igork> + openldap[22:57:50] <igork> no need to hack everything[22:57:58] <igork> just port and use it[22:58:14] <igork> because they are supported[22:59:05] * alanc offered https://github.com/illumos/illumos-gate/tree/master/usr/src/lib/libpthread in another channel as an example of a library that is just a filter to pass through calls to libc[22:59:14] <tomww> igork: gnutls insists on gnu-iconv (configure)[22:59:44] <tomww> thanks alanc![22:59:56] <igork> tomww: what problems port and use gnu libicov as separate one?[23:00:11] <igork> it has version 2[23:00:13] <tomww> igork: multi layer problems :)[23:00:20] <igork> and no impacts to illumos version 1[23:00:32] *** Kurlon_ <Kurlon_!~Kurlon@bidd-pub-04.gwi.net> has joined #illumos[23:00:39] <alanc> https://github.com/illumos/illumos-gate/blob/master/exception_lists/check_rtime#L194 is a list of more examples[23:00:45] <igork> just use .so link to correct library for builds[23:01:42] <alanc> if you only want to provide compile-time support, then I think a symlnk of libiconv.so -> libc.so would work for -liconv calls[23:01:55] <igork> /usr/lib/amd64/libiconv.so.2[23:01:55] <igork> /usr/lib/amd64/libiconv.so.2.5.1[23:02:02] <igork> it is GNU libiconv[23:02:22] <alanc> the filter libraries handle the cases of when you already have objects with libfoo.so.1 in their dependencies[23:02:37] <igork> provide .so link to it for userland builds[23:02:44] <alanc> igork: sounds like fun when some calls to iconv() go to GNU code and some go to libc code[23:03:02] <alanc> where "fun" is defined as "unpredicatble behavior"[23:03:08] <igork> well - it depend[23:03:23] <igork> because call based on NEEDS in binary[23:03:28] *** Kurlon <Kurlon!~Kurlon@bidd-pub-03.gwi.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[23:03:34] <igork> take a look elfdump -d[23:03:47] <igork> and if you are using correct SONAME[23:03:56] <igork> in library - you have no problems[23:04:31] <igork> it will be added to NEEDED action[23:04:35] <alanc> if everything is direct linked, so the call goes to the library it linked against, yes[23:04:45] <igork> yes[23:04:47] <alanc> otherwise it goes to the first one found in the running process[23:05:03] <igork> interest[23:05:05] <alanc> need to get everyone to use -B direct[23:05:17] *** Kurlon_ <Kurlon_!~Kurlon@bidd-pub-04.gwi.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[23:05:37] <igork> you want to say that version 1 and 2 have conflicts?[23:06:02] <igork> i think it can be fixed by userland build[23:06:07] <igork> of application[23:06:31] <igork> and you can provide correct .so link on build env[23:06:35] <igork> nothing else[23:07:37] <igork> another solution - move system libiconv to /system/lib[23:07:57] <tomww> looks like alanc's suggestion with the symlinks lets configure pass okay. So the small change for today would be to tell gnutls not use "-liconv" any more[23:07:58] <igork> to avoid issues with userland apps[23:08:21] <igork> tomww: it is hack[23:08:30] <igork> and you have to support it[23:08:37] <alanc> there is no system libiconv - the system iconv() is in libc[23:08:48] <tomww> indeed. it is part of "is it worth building a filter libiconv.so"[23:10:40] <tomww> igork: background from my side: OpenIndiana (and only those) delivers an gnu-libiconv into /usr/gnu/ prefix. that causes files conflicts with SFE libconv living since ages in /usr/gnu/ prefix. That way[23:11:01] <igork> tomww: it is not on dilos[23:11:10] <tomww> igork: user install experience is very very bad when they want to install SFE LibreOffice on OpenIndiana.[23:11:17] <igork> i have removed /usr/gnu on my env[23:11:52] <igork> and userland apps are happy with it now :)[23:11:56] <tomww> your move can't be taken to OpenIndiana at the moment.[23:12:18] <igork> it is not one step[23:12:22] <igork> i know[23:13:11] <igork> but - you have to understand perspectives: do you want hack and support it every time and updates[23:13:27] <tomww> please, I don't want to hack anything.[23:13:31] <igork> :)[23:13:47] <tomww> it is all about learning what the solutions should be, given the unchangeable boundaries.[23:13:49] <igork> it is why i have started to modify dilos platform[23:14:21] <igork> for more easy ports of userland apps[23:14:34] <igork> from Debian upstreams[23:15:02] <igork> it is why i have updated my env to use ncurses[23:15:06] *** natkin <natkin!~textual@104-8-25-179.lightspeed.snantx.sbcglobal.net> has joined #illumos[23:16:09] <tomww> I know the pain, porting packages to SFE for 11 years, I know the pain.[23:16:37] <tomww> have to leav enow, thanks to all for the suggestions, so only thing left is quickly hacking a filter libiconv.so :) cu![23:26:35] *** polishdub <polishdub!~polishdub@208.93.128.118> has quit IRC (Quit: leaving)[23:41:21] *** Kurlon <Kurlon!~Kurlon@98.13.72.207> has joined #illumos