November 21, 2017 
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November 21, 2017 [00:15:24] *** polishdub <polishdub!~polishdub@208.93.128.118> has quit IRC (Quit: leaving)[00:17:10] *** lpsmith- is now known as lpsmith[00:22:56] *** bahamat <bahamat!~bahamat@ip68-3-91-17.ph.ph.cox.net> has joined #illumos[00:38:24] *** bahamat <bahamat!~bahamat@ip68-3-91-17.ph.ph.cox.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[00:38:26] *** SIN3R6Y <SIN3R6Y!~alexm@rrcs-98-102-210-251.central.biz.rr.com> has joined #illumos[00:55:36] *** xzi11a <xzi11a!~robert@static-108-48-124-82.washdc.fios.verizon.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[01:38:55] *** mmlb <mmlb!~mmlb@c-73-245-40-158.hsd1.fl.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[01:54:04] <snuff-work> i'm having an issue with a sun cluster.. when i try to failover to the other node in a pair.. it gets 'stuck' in the NFS part (zfs volume migrates correctly)[01:54:32] <snuff-work> how would i go about finding what is causing it to time-out starting on other node?[01:55:56] *** bahamat 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<jeffpc> richlowe: how does ld.so.1's linker command work?[15:44:50] <jeffpc> it pulls external.o from rtld dir, and libc_pic.a from libc's dir[15:44:59] <jeffpc> they define same syms (e.g., fcntl)[15:45:18] <jeffpc> but the linker doesn't error out with multiple sym error[15:45:32] <jeffpc> but the linker doesn't error out with multiply-defined error[15:53:40] *** tsoome <tsoome!~tsoome@25-101-157-37.dyn.estpak.ee> has quit IRC (Quit: tsoome)[15:58:46] *** xzi11a <xzi11a!~robert@pool-71-244-148-68.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net> has joined #illumos[15:59:11] <jeffpc> hm, I guess it's the .a doing something magical[15:59:24] <jeffpc> (I must admit, my static lib experience is limited)[16:01:00] *** tomoyat1 <tomoyat1!~tomoyat1@tomoyat1.com> has quit IRC (Quit: ZNC 1.6.5 - http://znc.in)[16:01:27] *** tomoyat1 <tomoyat1!~tomoyat1@tomoyat1.com> has joined #illumos[16:05:57] *** xzi11a <xzi11a!~robert@pool-71-244-148-68.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[16:13:17] *** bennabiy <bennabiy!~bennabiy@unaffiliated/bennabiy> has joined #illumos[16:18:42] <tomww> with illumos libiconv, dome F/OSS software tests presence by trying a compile+link agains /usr/lib/libiconv.so[16:19:44] <tomww> do you think illumos-libiconv calls provided by libc could get an additional dummy lib named /usr/lib/libiconv.so? That way F/OSS package which test on liging against the library name can succeed.[16:20:12] <tomww> *linking[16:20:39] <igork> tomww: libiconv.so - it is GNU libiconv[16:21:04] <igork> if you see reference in userland builds[16:21:36] <igork> illumos has no libiconv.so[16:22:52] <igork> i have no found pkg manifest on illumos tree with libiconv.so[16:33:05] *** and <and!~ayy@cpe-76-173-133-37.hawaii.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[16:35:22] *** and <and!~ayy@cpe-76-173-133-37.hawaii.res.rr.com> has joined #illumos[16:44:06] *** Toasterson <Toasterson!~toast@2001:8e0:2042:bf01:832c:92d3:c76c:b013> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[16:47:23] *** alhazred <alhazred!~Alex@dsl-lprbng11-54f882-144.dhcp.inet.fi> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[16:48:00] *** alhazred <alhazred!~Alex@dsl-lprbng11-54f882-144.dhcp.inet.fi> has joined #illumos[16:50:11] *** clickjack <clickjack!~clickjack@kite.riseup.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[16:54:16] *** clickjack <clickjack!~clickjack@kite.riseup.net> has joined #illumos[16:55:55] *** bennabiy <bennabiy!~bennabiy@unaffiliated/bennabiy> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[16:57:43] *** mmlb <mmlb!~mmlb@c-73-245-40-158.hsd1.fl.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Quit: The Lounge - https://thelounge.github.io)[17:00:31] *** bennabiy <bennabiy!~bennabiy@unaffiliated/bennabiy> has joined #illumos[17:01:03] *** bennabiy <bennabiy!~bennabiy@unaffiliated/bennabiy> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[17:03:25] *** tsoome <tsoome!~tsoome@55-114-191-90.dyn.estpak.ee> has joined #illumos[17:07:07] *** and <and!~ayy@cpe-76-173-133-37.hawaii.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[17:07:40] *** and <and!~ayy@cpe-76-173-133-37.hawaii.res.rr.com> has joined #illumos[17:08:27] *** leoric <leoric!~leoric@46.147.223.127> has joined #illumos[17:09:51] <tomww> my point is, F/OSS software tests on iconv availability by looking for that library. It would help those F/OSS configure runs, if there would be an (empty) libiconv.so file where they can link against.[17:10:17] <tomww> if that succeeds, the configure runs should think iconv is available.[17:11:01] <tsoome> we can (and should) create the filter lib (think it was filter;)[17:11:17] <tomww> hey tsoome :) +1[17:12:00] <tsoome> I agree that gnu & autoconf sucks, but we can not fix that[17:12:16] <tomww> they are too many unfortunatly[17:17:38] <tomww> how much mork would it be to create a POC if that approach is valid?[17:18:22] <tsoome> take linker and libraries guide and and fire it up, I think evening or two should be enough;)[17:19:13] <tsoome> of course then you will get into followups to implement few missing bits we have, and then some more.[17:19:25] <tsoome> bubtthats all for good:)[17:20:16] <tomww> well, maybe it hits not too hard if we start without the missing bits? I mean as proof of concept...[17:21:07] <tsoome> indeed[17:21:10] <tomww> at the moment it stalls, we have ugly libiconv-gnu in OpenIndiana.[17:22:19] <tomww> and to be fair, we have ugly libiconv in SFE :)[17:24:21] *** xzi11a <xzi11a!~robert@static-108-48-124-82.washdc.fios.verizon.net> has joined #illumos[17:26:05] <tsoome> time to build some rti patches:P[17:26:10] *** myrkraverk_ <myrkraverk_!~chatzilla@124.106.132.15> has joined #illumos[17:27:58] <tomww> as I'm not really a C-programmer, I'm looking for someone who could code the POC. I then would try the SFE packages against that (with sfe libiconv uninstalled) and see which packages propperly detect iconv and which can actually use it with success[17:28:42] *** myrkraverk <myrkraverk!~chatzilla@124.106.132.15> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[17:30:20] *** myrkraverk_ is now known as myrkraverk[17:33:58] *** natkin <natkin!~textual@104-8-25-179.lightspeed.snantx.sbcglobal.net> has joined #illumos[17:37:04] *** mnowak_ <mnowak_!~mnowak_@94.142.238.232> has joined #illumos[17:44:38] *** bahamat <bahamat!~bahamat@2600:8800:1b04:8700:c8c9:8507:55b0:403> has joined #illumos[17:52:31] *** snuff-work <snuff-work!~snuff-wor@210.9.148.102> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[17:53:13] *** snuff-work <snuff-work!~snuff-wor@210.9.148.102> has joined #illumos[17:58:00] *** bahamat <bahamat!~bahamat@2600:8800:1b04:8700:c8c9:8507:55b0:403> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[18:16:21] *** ldepandis <ldepandis!~ldepandis@unaffiliated/ldepandis> has joined #illumos[18:24:15] *** allan_ <allan_!~allan@host31-51-232-208.range31-51.btcentralplus.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[18:35:57] *** dap_ <dap_!~dap@208.184.5.170> has joined #illumos[18:36:53] *** allan_ <allan_!~allan@host31-51-232-208.range31-51.btcentralplus.com> has joined #illumos[18:39:00] *** ldepandis <ldepandis!~ldepandis@unaffiliated/ldepandis> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[18:41:20] <leoric> tomww: our gnu libiconv is even more ugly as I've thought, as it really ships /usr/lib/libiconv.so...[18:42:22] <tomww> well well, I'm luck that it wasn't me shipping openindiana-pkg:libiconv-gnu :) :)[18:42:44] <tomww> I'm on the SFE side, so shipping /usr/gnu/lib/libiconv.so[18:43:22] <tomww> and yes, there are folks wanting to get rid of /usr/lib/libiconv.so from openindiana-pkg:libiconv-gnu[18:45:39] <tomww> the troubles the openindiana package does to SFE's package is, that the openindiana pkg ships files to /usr/lib/ and then header files, manpages, binariy into /usr/gnu/share/ and /usr/gnu/bin/ (somewhat occupies both directory prefixes)[18:46:11] <leoric> I know, I know... I'm just trying to patch samba to avoid using -liconv[18:46:50] <leoric> as I see, it even manages to use includes from /usr/include and link to libiconv[18:47:12] <tomww> I saw today that samba does a linking test against library with -liconv - and that fails. then it tries just calling iconv_open and that succeeds (samba 4.6.8)[18:47:49] <leoric> unfortunately, it doesn't fail now :)[18:48:17] <leoric> we need some patches to make samba completely ignore libiconv, later, when libiconv is removed, we can remove patches[18:48:57] <tomww> sounds reasonable[18:49:42] <leoric> the only downside of completely removing gnu-libiconv is that I'll not be able to compare how buggy our iconv is...[18:50:24] <tomww> haha, if you can't proof, then there is no bug :)[18:50:36] *** ptribble <ptribble!~ptribble@cpc92716-cmbg20-2-0-cust138.5-4.cable.virginm.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[18:52:00] <igork> tomww: illumos version of libiconv is incompatible with 3rd party apps in more places - do you want fix it and support it[18:52:33] <tomww> igork: I'm tending towads ignoring that question :)[18:52:39] <igork> :)[18:53:04] <igork> i'm using gnu libiconv a long time without issues[18:53:38] <tomww> the point is, the implementation of the openindiana libiconv-gnu package is, well, is, well, not very lucky.[18:54:55] <tomww> it occupies two directory prefixes. It it would stay out of /usr/gnu/ I would not even move my small fingers.[18:54:59] <jperkin> we avoid native iconv too[18:55:21] *** Toasterson <Toasterson!~toast@241.54.150.83.ftth.ewwwb.as8758.net> has joined #illumos[18:55:43] <tomww> any hints about patches needed, or is it avoid as in "if it works without, then we're happy"[18:56:31] *** man_u <man_u!~manu@manu2.gandi.net> has quit IRC (Quit: man_u)[19:00:40] <igork> i think - try to provide GNU libiconv in primary place is good solution, and use illumos version for illumos tools only - we can rename it to - libiliconv as example and avoid conflicts[19:01:15] <igork> but - it is only example[19:01:41] <igork> jperkin: are you using GNU libiconv for your pkgsrc builds?[19:01:46] <jperkin> yes[19:01:54] <igork> fine :)[19:02:48] <tomww> but is there anything that can me renamed? we have header files, tables as files, and function calls in libc, right?[19:03:05] *** mnowak__ <mnowak__!mnowak_@nat/suse/x-plkzfiwqynpmlcjl> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[19:03:10] <igork> FYI: i have removed illumos libiconv and replaced by GNU libiconv[19:03:47] <igork> you are using in libc = gettext functions[19:04:02] <leoric> We have a good collection of interface which nobody uses : iconv*, epoll, native tools like awk/sed/...[19:04:19] <igork> leoric: :)[19:04:33] <igork> you want start this thread again? :)[19:04:44] <leoric> no, thanks, just trolling[19:04:51] <igork> all in your hands[19:05:07] <leoric> yes, and for now I'm going to evict gnu iconv[19:05:22] <igork> you need just prepare packages in illumos builds for replacement by userland packages[19:05:30] <igork> just as solution for you :)[19:05:48] <leoric> the issue with illumos iconv is that it's not complete[19:06:01] <igork> it is incompatible :)[19:06:05] <igork> and very old[19:06:06] <leoric> g11n hasn't been touched for about 10 years[19:06:27] *** snuff-work <snuff-work!~snuff-wor@210.9.148.102> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[19:06:32] <leoric> and so there's even no single place to fix a possible issue[19:06:46] <igork> it is what i have moved to use another solutions for my userland builds :)[19:06:49] <igork> you know it[19:07:10] *** snuff-work <snuff-work!~snuff-wor@210.9.148.102> has joined #illumos[19:07:17] <tomww> well, if illumos goes for replacing the old iconv in glibc and drop in gnu-iconv....as long as this helps remove openindiana's own libiconv-gnu package then I'm happy[19:07:43] <igork> if you can't host userland application on your platform - your platform will dead[19:08:17] <igork> tomww: you can't use glibc :)[19:08:25] <igork> it is incompatible with illumos[19:08:44] <igork> but you can working on illumos libc[19:08:51] <igork> and extend it[19:09:46] <leoric> I'd go another way - make people use native interface - find issues - make people fix them :)[19:10:09] <igork> leoric: you may go for it :)[19:10:13] <tomww> I's writing about removing files living in the wrong place. Not saying which iconv implementation serves userland programs.[19:10:26] <igork> i'm not interested in headache on support it :)[19:11:59] <leoric> also , samba is not the only one[19:12:11] <leoric> I found libass, sdl, sdl2 and gdlib[19:12:28] <igork> :) all useland[19:12:32] <igork> userland[19:12:41] <tomww> on which osdistro?[19:12:47] <leoric> and clamav[19:12:50] <leoric> OI[19:13:06] <leoric> speaking just for oi-userland[19:13:16] <igork> you will be wondering to hear about gcc build too )[19:13:31] <tomww> why does OI IPS only liste libsmbclient as depdendent on libiconv-gnu then?[19:13:57] <leoric> don't know, but I see liconv in /usr/lib/amd64/pkgconfig/libass.pc and other files[19:14:09] <leoric> Libs.private: -lm -liconv[19:15:29] <igork> simple example on dilos: https://paste.ec/paste/R9fS-mkV#KMnoErll4Fh-gZWUezkt8ra5ObUb8jKPEDEv7ZOFqbr[19:15:33] <tomww> we have several threads: 1) glibc incompleteness or age/bugs and 2) unfortunate directory layout of OI package libiconv-gnu 3) more..?[19:15:44] <igork> how much components depends on libiconv[19:15:52] *** h2o666 <h2o666!~h2o666@2603:3024:e05:c500:4d28:1601:8ee2:fa4c> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[19:16:04] <igork> but it is not full list[19:16:07] <tomww> according to OI IPS only libsmbclient and samba[19:16:15] <igork> because we are on transition to new repo[19:17:09] <jperkin> crumbs yeh I was going to say, would expect the list to be about 10 times bigger[19:20:19] <leoric> I've tried to remove dependencies which I've seen and could easily remove[19:21:00] <leoric> especially since tomww mentioned about the issue[19:24:20] <tomww> okay, I have to leave. Thanks all for your work! If someone could summarizes what's (most likely) going to be done, that would help to see if that meets what everyone needs.[19:25:33] *** Kurlon <Kurlon!~Kurlon@bidd-pub-03.gwi.net> has joined #illumos[19:28:39] *** clickjack <clickjack!~clickjack@kite.riseup.net> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[19:35:14] <leoric> igork: IIRC, gcc uses libiconv during tests. To avoid this, you have to add set libiconv "" to ~/.dehagnurc[19:39:06] *** merzo <merzo!~merzo@31.31.97.188> has joined #illumos[19:41:16] *** alhazred <alhazred!~Alex@dsl-lprbng11-54f882-144.dhcp.inet.fi> has quit IRC ()[19:42:57] *** clickjack <clickjack!~clickjack@kite.riseup.net> has joined #illumos[19:45:07] <igork> leoric: it was for example - to show how we are depend on it :)[19:45:27] <igork> i'm not interested to fix/patch/hack something[19:45:39] <igork> i'm interested in platform for easy ports of userland apps[19:46:26] *** alhazred <alhazred!~Alex@dsl-lprbng11-54f882-144.dhcp.inet.fi> has joined #illumos[19:52:51] *** alhazred <alhazred!~Alex@dsl-lprbng11-54f882-144.dhcp.inet.fi> has quit IRC ()[19:53:28] *** alhazred <alhazred!~Alex@dsl-lprbng11-54f882-144.dhcp.inet.fi> has joined #illumos[19:53:37] *** allan_ <allan_!~allan@host31-51-232-208.range31-51.btcentralplus.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[19:53:38] *** alhazred <alhazred!~Alex@dsl-lprbng11-54f882-144.dhcp.inet.fi> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[19:54:01] *** alhazred <alhazred!~Alex@dsl-lprbng11-54f882-144.dhcp.inet.fi> has joined #illumos[19:54:25] *** alhazred <alhazred!~Alex@dsl-lprbng11-54f882-144.dhcp.inet.fi> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[19:54:51] *** alhazred <alhazred!~Alex@dsl-lprbng11-54f882-144.dhcp.inet.fi> has joined #illumos[19:55:13] *** alhazred <alhazred!~Alex@dsl-lprbng11-54f882-144.dhcp.inet.fi> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[19:55:50] *** alhazred <alhazred!~Alex@dsl-lprbng11-54f882-144.dhcp.inet.fi> has joined #illumos[19:56:00] *** alhazred <alhazred!~Alex@dsl-lprbng11-54f882-144.dhcp.inet.fi> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[20:05:59] *** allan_ <allan_!~allan@host31-51-232-208.range31-51.btcentralplus.com> has joined #illumos[20:08:29] <leoric> igork: it seems -liconv is also removed from FreeBSD https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/porters-handbook/using-iconv.html[20:08:56] <igork> leoric: :)[20:09:20] <igork> leoric: did you see/check FreeBSD libc? :)[20:09:45] <leoric> check for what?[20:10:02] <igork> compare with illumos :)[20:10:08] <leoric> :)[20:10:24] <igork> it is answer to your post about iconv[20:10:39] <igork> they have a lot of implementations in libc[20:11:04] <igork> and it comparable with glibc in functionality :)[20:12:15] <igork> leoric: i'm looking it about 2 years :)[20:12:33] <leoric> so why did you choose gnu-licensed iconv implementation?[20:12:45] <igork> it's a pity - but illumos is dinosaur[20:12:54] <leoric> I don't argue[20:12:56] <igork> leoric: it is userland[20:13:09] <igork> i have GNU libiconv in userland[20:13:17] <igork> it is NOT on my dilos-illumos tree[20:14:02] *** clickjack <clickjack!~clickjack@kite.riseup.net> has quit IRC (Quit: clickjack)[20:14:19] <igork> also - about GNU libiconv - thanks to EveryCity for this hint :) they are using it in their ec-userland many years[20:14:56] <igork> i'm learning and learning solutions :)[20:14:57] <leoric> I was just speaking that having GNU libiconv and libiconv is not a must, it's enough to have decent iconv* in libc[20:15:19] <igork> leoric: it is not true[20:15:39] <igork> but - you may go for it :)[20:15:48] <leoric> :)[20:15:49] <igork> also - take a look gettext :)[20:16:04] <igork> and try to learn it too - how it depend on iconv[20:16:28] <igork> they are all depend[20:16:35] <igork> in combination[20:16:52] <igork> if you touch one - another one should support it[20:17:17] <igork> the same cases with ncurses[20:17:37] <igork> i have finished updates on my tree and i have removed illumos libcurses[20:17:53] <leoric> this sounds good[20:18:04] <igork> and ncurses in primary place[20:18:16] <igork> no need to hack userland apps to it anymore :)[20:18:29] <leoric> but it seems we can't move to ncurses 6 without breaking console apps[20:19:06] <igork> libncurses5:solaris-i386 6.0+20161126-1+dilos8[20:19:12] <leoric> I know[20:19:17] <igork> i'm using 6.x[20:19:19] <leoric> does mc look sane on terminal?[20:19:27] <leoric> on console, I mean[20:19:29] <igork> my MC is fine :)[20:19:32] <leoric> not via ssh[20:19:41] <igork> what to you mean ?[20:19:47] <igork> console ?[20:19:56] <leoric> physical console[20:19:59] <leoric> (vga)[20:20:00] <igork> one moment[20:21:18] <igork> leoric: https://cl.ly/080o0q3H0P0H[20:21:24] <igork> LC_ALL=C[20:21:39] <igork> console has issues with utf8[20:22:29] <igork> https://cl.ly/231T2W3m3g3L[20:22:37] <igork> leoric: it is CTRL-O[20:22:49] <igork> also, mdb/kmb are fine[20:22:57] *** mmlb <mmlb!~mmlb@c-73-245-40-158.hsd1.fl.comcast.net> has joined #illumos[20:23:05] <igork> i can show serial console too if needed[20:23:18] <leoric> OK[20:23:32] <leoric> I'll ask you to make a bit more tests later :)[20:24:11] <igork> :)[20:24:15] <igork> you can install dilos[20:24:23] <igork> and try to check it by yourself :)[20:24:26] <igork> last release[20:24:29] <igork> beta[20:24:50] <igork> we are on more ports/updates[20:24:53] <leoric> I personally remember seeing a lot of '?' instead of window boundaries in text-install[20:25:04] <igork> i know :)[20:25:15] <igork> it is why export LC_ALL=C fix it :)[20:25:31] <leoric> perhaps :)[20:25:50] <igork> https://cl.ly/3O363R2d2s1y[20:25:55] <igork> it is without LC_ALL[20:26:00] <igork> with utf8[20:26:11] <leoric> exactly[20:26:19] <igork> :)[20:26:27] <igork> but it is not ncurses issue[20:26:40] <leoric> it didn't look so with ncurses 5[20:26:40] <igork> it is illumos issue[20:26:50] <leoric> so it's illumos issue, triggered by ncurses update[20:26:58] <igork> i'm not sure[20:27:05] <igork> it depend[20:27:13] <igork> 1 - 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