November 10, 2017 
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November 10, 2017 [00:13:58] *** Kurlon <Kurlon!~Kurlon@98.13.72.207> has joined #illumos[00:14:48] *** hotdogs <hotdogs!~brain@2605:e000:b082:a600:beee:eeee:eeee:eeef> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[00:17:35] *** hotdogs <hotdogs!~brain@2605:e000:b082:a600:beee:eeee:eeee:eeef> has joined #illumos[00:34:15] *** kkantor <kkantor!~KodyKanto@c-73-242-105-2.hsd1.mn.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Quit: kkantor)[01:11:09] *** jp is now known as alyptik[01:16:01] *** pvs <pvs!~pvs@lopsa/member/pvs> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[01:17:32] *** pvs <pvs!~pvs@lopsa/member/pvs> has joined #illumos[01:18:24] *** kkantor <kkantor!~KodyKanto@c-73-242-105-2.hsd1.mn.comcast.net> has joined #illumos[01:19:17] *** kkantor <kkantor!~KodyKanto@c-73-242-105-2.hsd1.mn.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[01:22:06] *** alyptik is now known as jp[01:23:27] *** xzi11a <xzi11a!~robert@static-108-48-124-82.washdc.fios.verizon.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[01:31:37] *** Bryson <Bryson!~anonymous@ip68-108-89-198.lv.lv.cox.net> has joined #illumos[01:31:51] *** bahamat <bahamat!~bahamat@2001:470:f0f4:a0a:506:1229:9c2a:27d3> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[01:32:23] *** bahamat <bahamat!~bahamat@2001:470:f0f4:a0a:506:1229:9c2a:27d3> has joined #illumos[01:52:11] *** happy-dude <happy-dude!uid62780@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bxvhzaoxolxgtskr> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)[01:53:23] *** atrius <atrius!~atrius@24-179-64-212.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com> has joined #illumos[02:01:43] *** jollyd <jollyd!~alarcher@dhcp-46-249-226-11.loqal.no> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[02:20:00] *** ed209 <ed209!~ed209@165.225.128.67> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[02:20:07] *** ed209 <ed209!~ed209@165.225.128.67> has joined #illumos[02:23:17] *** v_a_b <v_a_b!~volker@p5DE8F64A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[02:23:27] *** v_a_b <v_a_b!~volker@p5DE8F855.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #illumos[02:24:16] *** dap_ <dap_!~dap@208.184.5.170> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[02:30:13] *** Kurlon <Kurlon!~Kurlon@98.13.72.207> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[02:30:52] *** Kurlon <Kurlon!~Kurlon@bidd-pub-03.gwi.net> has joined #illumos[02:33:39] *** natkin_ <natkin_!~textual@104-8-25-179.lightspeed.snantx.sbcglobal.net> has joined #illumos[02:49:57] *** kkantor <kkantor!~KodyKanto@c-73-242-105-2.hsd1.mn.comcast.net> has joined #illumos[02:51:14] *** hotdogs <hotdogs!~brain@2605:e000:b082:a600:beee:eeee:eeee:eeef> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[03:04:25] *** FuntDobraX1Gen5 <FuntDobraX1Gen5!~FuntDobra@213.251.226.143> has joined #illumos[03:22:26] *** jollyd <jollyd!~alarcher@dhcp-46-249-226-11.loqal.no> has joined #illumos[03:24:34] *** bahamat <bahamat!~bahamat@2001:470:f0f4:a0a:506:1229:9c2a:27d3> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[03:32:39] *** FuntDobraX1Gen5 <FuntDobraX1Gen5!~FuntDobra@213.251.226.143> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[03:32:40] *** jollyd <jollyd!~alarcher@dhcp-46-249-226-11.loqal.no> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[03:43:10] *** hotdogs <hotdogs!~brain@2605:e000:b082:a600:beee:eeee:eeee:eeef> has joined #illumos[03:45:19] *** natkin_ <natkin_!~textual@104-8-25-179.lightspeed.snantx.sbcglobal.net> has quit IRC (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)[03:48:00] *** jcea <jcea!~Thunderbi@ks27448.kimsufi.com> has quit IRC (Quit: jcea)[04:04:32] *** kkantor <kkantor!~KodyKanto@c-73-242-105-2.hsd1.mn.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Quit: kkantor)[04:10:34] *** scarcry <scarcry!~scarcry@2001:980:93d7:1:80c9:7fff:fe0f:aaf8> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[04:50:02] *** toothe <toothe!~awiggin@unaffiliated/toothe> has joined #illumos[04:50:23] <toothe> Hi all! I was looking at src.illumos.org[04:50:33] <toothe> The illumos-gate there seems to be just the userland. Where is the kernel?[04:51:16] <rmustacc> toothe: The kernel is there, it's under the directory usr/src/uts[04:51:33] <toothe> ahh....uts?[04:51:34] <rmustacc> Which comes from the SVR4 layout (Unix Time Sharing), IIRC.[04:52:12] <toothe> ah...this is quite different from BSD.[04:52:20] <rmustacc> toothe: https://www.illumos.org/books/dev/layout.html#source-tree-tour may help[04:52:22] <rzezeski> Yes, harks back to the original UNIX Time-Sharing System name given at Bell Labs[04:52:24] <rmustacc> toothe: Yes, it is.[04:52:35] <rmustacc> toothe: uts is kind of equivalent to sys[04:52:45] <toothe> one thing I'm confused about - is Solaris the successor of SunOS?[04:52:59] <toothe> I was under the impression that Solaris was a rebranded SunOS.[04:53:14] <rmustacc> It's a bit more complicated, but if you can bare with me for a few minutes I'll try and explain.[04:53:41] <rmustacc> So, SunOS 4.x was based on BSD.[04:53:54] <rmustacc> SunOS 5.x was based on merging BSD and SVR4.[04:54:04] <rmustacc> uname will still report a SunOS 5.x value.[04:54:13] <rmustacc> However, SunOS 5.x was rebranded Solaris[04:54:18] <rmustacc> From a marketing perspective.[04:54:34] <rmustacc> Solaris 2 was SunOS 5.x[04:54:37] <toothe> so....BSD -> SunOS -> Solaris ?[04:54:50] <rmustacc> I think it always was SunOS.[04:55:05] <rmustacc> But the original SunOS was BSD based.[04:55:27] <toothe> ahh...But, that breakdown I gave was correct, I think, no?[04:55:48] <rmustacc> I'm not sure. It depends what you're referring to.[04:55:54] <rmustacc> uname has always been SunOS, for example.[04:56:19] <toothe> right. But in terms of marketing its different?[04:56:20] <rmustacc> If you're describing the evolution, then yeah.[04:56:25] <toothe> yes yes.[04:56:46] <rmustacc> And really, for Solaris, you need a second arrow from SVR4[04:56:48] <toothe> I guess 7000 years of change and evolution will make them be quite different.[04:56:48] *** bahamat <bahamat!~bahamat@2001:470:f0f4:a0a:a1fe:b9c4:7cc9:113e> has joined #illumos[04:57:02] <rmustacc> toothe: That's really the big SVR4 merger.[04:57:27] <rmustacc> Where things really became much more of a hybrid and probably more SVR4 than BSD (though I can't really say for certain)[04:59:15] <rmustacc> toothe: Something specific you're looking for that I can help you find?[04:59:27] <toothe> where the drivers are and net80211 equivalent stack.[04:59:41] <toothe> who else uses illumos other than joyent? I haven't seen too many folks.[05:00:43] <bahamat> toothe: Depends on what you mean by that. We have lots of customers including on-prem, cloud, and open source.[05:00:57] <rmustacc> toothe: There are a bunch of companies.[05:01:02] <bahamat> toothe: There's also several distributions of illumos, and they all have active users as well.[05:01:16] <rmustacc> toothe: But general drivers that arch-independent you'll find under uts/common/io/[05:01:46] <rmustacc> The net80211 is found under uts/common/io/net80211[05:01:46] * toothe reads.[05:02:35] <toothe> err...is that a GPL license?[05:02:43] <toothe> http://src.illumos.org/source/xref/illumos-gate/usr/src/uts/common/io/net80211/net80211.c[05:02:56] <toothe> oh...i misread. Its a dual license.[05:03:11] *** natkin <natkin!~textual@104-8-25-179.lightspeed.snantx.sbcglobal.net> has joined #illumos[05:04:00] <rmustacc> I suspect that the net80211 bits we have compared to various *BSD are going to be a bit older.[05:04:27] <jbk> probably more than a bit :)[05:05:03] <toothe> and simpler.[05:05:19] <toothe> yeah, this is BSD code, I can tell.[05:05:48] <jbk> it probably could use some attention if anyone was interesting in bringing it up to date[05:05:51] <jbk> *cough*cough* :P[05:06:19] <toothe> heh, writing something on FreeBSD at the moment, still getting my feet wet in 80211.[05:08:22] <jbk> i'd actually like to improve the 80211 support and I think add AP support (I think we only support acting as a client right now, but could be wrong)[05:08:48] <jbk> then could have a nice all-in-one file server/router/firewall/ap :)[05:12:12] *** myrkraverk <myrkraverk!~chatzilla@124.106.132.15> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[05:15:41] <toothe> you know[05:15:45] <toothe> I want to have exactly that![05:15:53] <toothe> like, literally, exactly that.[05:16:12] <toothe> I don't like having a lot of hardware.[05:21:19] <toothe> actually, I was thinking of switching over this FreeNAS box to straight FreeBSD for exactly that purpose.[05:21:29] <toothe> But, I really like the GUI. I like being able to make a jail in 2 seconds.[05:21:34] <toothe> and, I want a clean interface to bhyve.[05:28:48] *** leoric <leoric!~leoric@5.167.114.143> has joined #illumos[05:31:35] <jbk> unfortunately i'm busy in IKE land for the moment[05:38:17] *** natkin <natkin!~textual@104-8-25-179.lightspeed.snantx.sbcglobal.net> has quit IRC (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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Assuming that's smooth (and I just wanna see that it is), then I push.[17:00:45] <tsoome> ou, thank you:)[17:01:09] <tsoome> which means I need to build next batch;)[17:06:04] <rmustacc> And I need to go build a batch as well.[17:09:36] *** freakazoid0223 <freakazoid0223!~chatzilla@pool-108-52-4-148.phlapa.fios.verizon.net> has joined #illumos[17:25:26] <rmustacc> Does anyone happen to have a pretty heavy rbac (as in pfexecd) environment?[17:25:53] <tsoome> only used with oracle solaris…[17:34:39] *** ngchk1 <ngchk1!~wilkens@business-178-015-081-200.static.arcor-ip.net> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[17:34:56] *** ngchk1 <ngchk1!~wilkens@business-178-015-081-200.static.arcor-ip.net> has joined #illumos[17:35:52] *** snuff-work1 <snuff-work1!~snuff-wor@210.9.148.102> has joined #illumos[17:36:27] *** snuff-work <snuff-work!~snuff-wor@210.9.148.102> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[17:37:03] *** mnowak_ <mnowak_!~mnowak_@94.142.238.232> has joined 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