November 8, 2017 
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I actually might use it as a live os; so maybe I'll try the live image instead.[14:23:55] <myrkraverk> *desktop[14:26:32] <Agnar> if you use the live image, you can check with the device driver utility if everything is supported, before you actually install. so I would recommend it.[14:27:21] <tsoome> the text images are smallest ones for OI (its not really built for size anyhow)[14:27:27] *** xzi11a <xzi11a!~robert@pool-71-244-148-68.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[14:28:06] <myrkraverk> Ah.[14:28:32] <myrkraverk> Anyway, I'll try the live image -- it'll probably take all evening to download, so I might have to wait until the weekend to give this a try.[14:35:20] <tsoome> Woodstock: apparently nvme does attach to vbox NVMe (v1.2)[14:35:56] <Woodstock> tsoome: hm[14:35:58] <tsoome> with pciclass,010802[14:36:04] <Woodstock> tsoome: what does the log say?[14:36:07] <tsoome> and version check disabled[14:37:04] <tsoome> I need to install or boot again, I only did cdboot and manual driver add for check:)[14:38:08] <tsoome> But that stupid thing is still reporting 512B sector size:([14:40:07] <tsoome> and its bios mode does not see nvme… that much for that hopeD:[14:41:19] *** xzi11a <xzi11a!~robert@pool-71-244-148-68.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net> has joined #illumos[14:41:54] *** mmlb <mmlb!~mmlb@c-73-245-40-158.hsd1.fl.comcast.net> has joined #illumos[14:46:32] *** xzi11a <xzi11a!~robert@pool-71-244-148-68.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[14:46:45] <tsoome> Woodstock: https://pasteboard.co/GSHv6Jz.png[14:48:06] <tsoome> this one is better: https://pasteboard.co/GSHvC9Z.png[14:48:57] <myrkraverk> How is m.2 support? There is an unused m.2 (isn't that how it's written) that I can choose to plug with an ssd.[14:49:53] <myrkraverk> But, that's for later. Now I have download to wait for, and a book to read.[15:04:47] *** Pocky <Pocky!~Pocky@89.149.59.10> has joined #illumos[15:09:50] *** mnowak_ <mnowak_!mnowak_@nat/suse/x-tolorgixcdobxmvl> has joined #illumos[15:12:23] *** natkin <natkin!~textual@eagle400.startdedicated.com> has joined #illumos[15:14:07] *** Kurlon <Kurlon!~Kurlon@98.13.72.207> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[15:16:47] *** Pocky <Pocky!~Pocky@89.149.59.10> has quit IRC ()[15:26:20] *** keremet <keremet!~ASokolov@91.144.151.204> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[15:26:23] *** swills <swills!~swills@freebsd/developer/swills> has joined #illumos[15:30:03] *** natkin <natkin!~textual@eagle400.startdedicated.com> has quit IRC (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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I was using the wrong disk number.[17:12:28] <myrkraverk> the cat should do the job.[17:23:16] *** Toasterson <Toasterson!~toast@2001:8e0:2042:bf01:832c:92d3:c76c:b013> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[17:25:34] *** xzi11a <xzi11a!~robert@pool-71-244-148-68.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[17:26:42] *** preyalone <preyalone!uid21561@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wxoxkvjopyjpradi> has joined #illumos[17:29:07] <leoric> what has more preference - RPATH or RUNPATH? 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The NIC never worked for me in illumos but perhaps just a missing PCI ID[19:20:02] <rmustacc> mnowak__: That's the one that someone else was asking about support for recently that I was starting to poke at in the background.[19:21:46] <rmustacc> mnowak__: But if we end up with something to test, can I reach out to you?[19:22:47] <mnowak__> rmustacc, indeed, that's the same card. happy to test for you[19:23:54] <rmustacc> OK, I have no ETA on this, so it'll probably be a while.[19:24:02] <rmustacc> Just kind of a background thing I'm poking at.[19:26:11] <mnowak__> rmustacc, nice, thank you. in the meantime I might try what Peter suggested on OI ml[19:26:25] <rmustacc> What was that?[19:26:33] <rmustacc> Just a PIC ID add?[19:26:36] <rmustacc> Erm, PCI?[19:27:44] <mnowak__> rmustacc, https://openindiana.org/pipermail/openindiana-discuss/2017-November/021600.html[19:28:18] <ptribble> That was just a guess though; largely I wanted to point out that we already had the atge driver[19:30:03] <ptribble> Talking about network drivers, any thoughts on this ENA thing that Amazon have on their latest EC2 instances?[19:30:28] *** rockyh <rockyh!~lgking@unaffiliated/rockyh> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[19:30:46] <rmustacc> I haven't looked at it, but happy to help anyone curious about it.[19:31:16] <rmustacc> I think I was looking at someone asking the same question and the atge update iwll be a bit more than a pci id update it looked like, but hopefully not too bad.[19:31:50] <ptribble> At least for ENA, there's a FreeBSD driver[19:31:51] <rmustacc> Though we do have some other vendor nic drivers coming in soon (though that doesn't help us for the EC2 case)[19:31:54] <rmustacc> Oh, there is?[19:32:21] <rmustacc> In that case it wouldn't be too hard to port.[19:32:24] <ptribble> https://github.com/amzn/amzn-drivers/tree/master/kernel/fbsd/ena[19:32:25] <rmustacc> I'd be happy to advise anyone on it.[19:32:35] <daleg> yeah, I was just looking at the atge_main.c and it seems to work on an explicit per-model basis[19:33:19] <daleg> so adding a pci-id /probably/ won't be sufficient - 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