[00:04:41] <richlowe> which version of ansible?
[00:04:47] <richlowe> 'cos I'm not having that problem, and now I'm worried :)
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[00:13:19] <xenol> latest
[00:13:34] <xenol> richlowe: do you use it with dev?
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[11:11:41] <alp> Can someone create some stable zfs API? :(
[11:13:03] <tsoome> afaik ryao has been one working in that area
[11:13:10] <tsoome> but surely he is not alone
[11:15:33] <alp> we've already broken jenkins on illumos...
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[11:28:48] <sensille> alp: libzfs_core is designed for that
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[11:33:23] <alp> thanks
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[15:12:07] <igork> Aram: ping
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[16:11:46] <alp> does someone interested in one more epoll issue?
[16:13:23] <alp> of course, we don't have __NR_epoll_create1 or __NR_epoll_create
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[16:14:50] <alp> what about making epoll() private interface ? :)
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[16:22:19] <igork> alp: you can take a look epoll updates on illumos-joyent - they are not upstreamed yet
[16:23:14] <alp> why???
[16:23:23] <igork> it is question not to me :)
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[16:26:50] <rmustacc> alp: What igor's referring to is a bug we found, nothing to do with that.
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[16:28:18] <alp> I'm more interested not in direct bugs, they will be fixed with time, I hope... (but why if Joyent has fix it is not upstreamed?) The real issue is what breaks because of assumption 'have epoll() => we are linux'?
[16:28:36] <alp> were there any bulk builds after introducing it?
[16:29:09] <igork> alp: upstream of issues from another tree - need a time
[16:30:28] <rmustacc> alp: Regarding the fix, because everything has varying degrees of risk. So we like to verify in production, before anything else.
[16:30:37] <rmustacc> The same way we don't want untested code there.
[16:30:48] <rmustacc> But again, that's unrelated to what you're asking abou.
[16:30:49] <rmustacc> *about
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[16:31:14] <rmustacc> alp: Most of our bulk builds are done on older platforms. Specifcally the current older platform we use disables epoll so it would still work on broader illumos systems.
[16:31:28] <rmustacc> Because this is from a late 2014-era system.
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[16:31:36] <rmustacc> We have to build on the oldest system we want to support.
[16:32:14] <alp> I understand this... But is there a good way to check what was broken after epoll() integration?
[16:32:38] <rmustacc> I don't personally have a great way, sorry.
[16:32:48] <rmustacc> jperkin may have more state on it than I do.
[16:33:10] <rmustacc> But I wish I was surprised that there was a lot of third party software that assumed it was on linux now. :/
[16:33:22] <rmustacc> We did have some folks who were manually building software and leveraging it.
[16:33:24] <rmustacc> Like ghc.
[16:34:57] <alp> I understand it is useful to get wider API. But I'd expect some tests like which were done for ucontext.h changes...
[16:34:58] <rmustacc> If it's causing that much trouble, may be better to put headers in a linux-compat package or something. But it isn't something I've looked at or spent any time on, sorry.
[16:35:55] <rmustacc> Well, we've tried to get better at this as a community.
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[16:36:16] <rmustacc> Given that the verify first changes happened without anyone doing anything, newer stuff has been doing it.
[16:37:02] <alp> perhaps, they should have been masked by some guard? Just an idea...
[16:37:31] <rmustacc> But please keep in mind, it's not like I can levarage all of our bulk build resources when we have complex user/kernel changes.
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[16:38:03] <rmustacc> So while I was able to do a bulk build for all the endian.h, pthread_attr_get, etc. it takes a lot longer.
[16:38:22] <wilbury> interesting that with i915
[16:38:29] <wilbury> i+7, what a random index
[16:38:44] <alp> as I don't see how much is broken, I don't know if it worth hiding epoll() by default...
[16:39:50] <rmustacc> I don't know, sorry. Maybe talk with jperkin and togther we can work out about epoll, eventfd, etc.
[16:39:57] <npx> #__GNU_SOURCE
[16:39:58] <npx> ?
[16:40:00] <rmustacc> No.
[16:40:02] <richlowe> no
[16:40:17] <rmustacc> Never use something with wide-meaning, existing semantics.
[16:40:22] <rmustacc> Unless you're going to be those semantics.
[16:40:38] <rmustacc> Which it almost certainly is not.
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[16:40:49] <richlowe> GNU_SOURCE is just wrong.
[16:41:49] <npx> was just a thought, not sure about the semantics of it everywhere
[16:42:07] <alp> we have __EXTENSIONS__, but it can be also too well-known
[16:42:59] <rmustacc> I dunno, we'd want to be consistent with eventfd and others, but I'm also not sure if it's worse there or not.
[16:43:10] <rmustacc> Maybe mail jperkin and talk about it?
[16:43:37] <richlowe> or get jperkin to read the list mail and reply there
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[16:45:32] <tsoome> the linux-compat tree for headers does sound pretty good as well or LINUX_COMPAT guard;)
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[16:46:38] <tsoome> altho guards can backfire if someone is checking just for header file and not if you get the declarations…
[16:46:47] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 7223 grub "setup" built-in broken by 6593 -- Joshua M. Clulow <josh at sysmgr dot org>
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[16:48:07] <rmustacc> tsoome: It's a tricky business, because if you #error to try and defeat build systems who embed Linux syscalls, just gets more annoying for those who don't.
[16:48:19] <tsoome> yep
[16:48:28] <rmustacc> But if the vast majority do, then I understand why in the sea of broken third-party software, you'd rather not have it there by default.
[16:49:00] <wilbury> how long does it take between commit e-mail and actual source availability in github?
[16:49:22] <rmustacc> wilbury: Source getting pushed triggers e-mail and the bot here.
[16:49:48] <wilbury> i did git pull in sake of getting newer grub
[16:49:51] <wilbury> (7223)
[16:50:07] <wilbury> but git tells me that everything is up to date
[16:50:16] <rmustacc> What's your remote?
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[16:50:32] <wilbury> master
[16:50:43] <wilbury> origin git://github.com/joyent/illumos-joyent.git (fetch)
[16:50:45] <wilbury> this one
[16:50:46] <rmustacc> That's why.
[16:51:03] <rmustacc> It was illumos/illumos-gate that got the update. ;)
[16:51:24] <wilbury> ah i see
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[16:51:36] <rmustacc> illumos-joyent merges daily.
[16:51:49] <wilbury> so, basically, for building smartos image, i just have to use illumos-joyent, not illumos-gate as such?
[16:51:57] <rmustacc> Yes.
[16:52:05] <wilbury> great
[16:52:19] <wilbury> i was threatened to use illumos-gate :-)
[16:52:48] <wilbury> tempted, even
[16:54:22] <wilbury> dafuq?
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[17:30:56] <jperkin> I'm not sure I really want to do bulk builds for epoll etc, it's not as simple as just disabling the #error header as we also patched software to explicitly disable epoll (our solution prior to the #error header)
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[17:31:35] <jperkin> I'd much rather any effort went in to writing native illumos support where required
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[17:33:56] <igork> jperkin: +1
[17:34:06] <igork> for better ports of apps
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[17:46:26] <alp> jperkin: do you at least have list of software patched for epoll?
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[17:47:13] <alp> because if we don't know how much is broken, I'd rather have linux-specific interfaces hidden
[17:48:41] <alp> as as I see all efforts are arrowed to disabling epoll where possible instead of fixing software
[17:50:15] <jperkin> not all of those were due to build issues though, some were simply because we didn't want to pull it in and depend on newer platforms
[17:50:56] <alp> thanks
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[17:59:06] <yurip> I wonder if the developer list was changed to have "reply-to: list" intentionally
[18:00:12] <rmustacc> I don't know of any intentional changes, but I don't manage it.
[18:02:48] <richlowe> that doesn't sound like a change
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[18:16:24] <thurloat> tsoome update: donated to Feed Nova Scotia. Thanks again.
[18:16:34] <tsoome> :D
[18:18:37] <yurip> richlowe: it started doing that recently
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[18:28:28] <richlowe> yurip: well, people have complained about it doing that for ages
[18:28:35] <richlowe> maybe it gets fixed/unfixed every so often.
[18:28:40] <richlowe> in which case, you probably want bdha.
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[18:31:27] <jperkin> at least the first mail since I joined (9th May 2012) has reply-to set
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[19:43:12] <bdha> reply-to has always been set.
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[20:07:14] <rmustacc> yurip: Around by chance?
[20:08:51] <yurip> rmustacc: yes
[20:08:59] <rmustacc> So I've been spending some time on your manual page.
[20:09:07] <rmustacc> And I'm not sure your description of devnm is correct.
[20:09:22] <rmustacc> So I was trying to understand where you saw that it'd bail on the first node?
[20:09:30] <rmustacc> I see it doing that if it's busy for devfs_clean().
[20:09:55] <rmustacc> But otherwise seems like it'll still do directories, etc.
[20:10:43] <yurip> that's dv_cleandir(), actually, but it's called from devfs_clean() and affects it
[20:10:56] <rmustacc> Yes, I've been reading that code as well.
[20:11:00] <rmustacc> But you don't normally get to the busy case.
[20:11:11] <rmustacc> Note the normal continue up above it for the happy path.
[20:11:52] <yurip> for VHCR and VBLK we do
[20:12:14] <rmustacc> Sometimes, not always.
[20:13:09] <rmustacc> Only if it's busy because v_count is non-zero.
[20:13:11] <yurip> if devnm is set, and it matched, and vp->v_count > 0, we goto set_busy, and bail out
[20:13:20] <rmustacc> Right, but there's that if.
[20:13:27] <rmustacc> So it's not guaranteed.
[20:13:45] <rmustacc> Certainly if things are *busy* it'll only process the first one.
[20:14:10] <yurip> ok, so what exactly you think is incorrect in description?
[20:14:35] <rmustacc> I think I found the wordering of first referenced confusing.
[20:14:40] <rmustacc> Referenced by what?
[20:15:02] <rmustacc> But I've got a bunch of other feedback, but just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something in that case.
[20:15:47] <rmustacc> (But partly it's my mistake because I was reading the manual page in traditional 9F order, so parameters first rather than as written which does make it clearer)
[20:16:35] <rmustacc> But I guess even if it's a referenced directory, it'll still get traversed through. The semantics there are pretty confusing I have to admit in the function.
[20:17:26] <yurip> I really took the order from canputnext(9F)
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[20:18:29] <rmustacc> It was the wrong order.
[20:18:33] <rmustacc> Unfortunately.
[20:18:55] <yurip> we need it described somewhere then :)
[20:18:57] <rmustacc> Or at least, it's all now inconsistent.
[20:19:24] <rmustacc> I don't disagree.
[20:19:31] <rmustacc> Should have been done by the big mdoc push.
[20:19:36] <rmustacc> I'd be happy to work on something like that.
[20:19:45] <rmustacc> As the token person writing too many manual pages lately.
[20:20:00] <rmustacc> But I've got some other feedback on the page, so I'll include it all there.
[20:20:07] <rmustacc> Sorry it's not better documented.
[20:34:10] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 6064 ixgbe needs X550 support -- Dale Ghent <daleg at omniti dot com>
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[21:58:36] <jperkin> alp: nope
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[22:04:11] <leoric> OK
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[22:28:42] <sanjay> I am seeing strange behavior when looking at some of the grok repos on grok.elemental.org. Some repos work and for others I see
[22:28:45] <sanjay> An invalid character [44] was present in the Cookie value
[22:28:45] <sanjay> java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: An invalid character [44] was present in the Cookie value
[22:28:45] <sanjay> at org.apache.tomcat.util.http.Rfc6265CookieProcessor.validateCookieValue(Rfc6265CookieProcessor.java:160)
[22:28:45] <sanjay> at org.apache.tomcat.util.http.Rfc6265CookieProcessor.generateHeader(Rfc6265CookieProcessor.java:109)
[22:28:45] <sanjay> at org.apache.catalina.connector.Response.generateCookieString(Response.java:989)
[22:28:45] <sanjay> at org.apache.catalina.connector.Response.addCookie(Response.java:937)
[22:28:46] <sanjay> at org.apache.catalina.connector.ResponseFacade.addCookie(ResponseFacade.java:391)
[22:28:46] <sanjay> at org.apache.jsp.index_jsp._jspService(index_jsp.java:182)
[22:28:47] <sanjay> at org.apache.jasper.runtime.HttpJspBase.service(HttpJspBase.java:70)
[22:28:54] <sanjay> that's a snippet
[22:29:24] <sanjay> running on El Capitan with Chrome.
[22:29:35] <tsoome> am, arent you on wrong channel?
[22:31:37] <igork> sanjay: i'd like recommend to use paste
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[22:37:14] <sanjay> hmm may be a browser issue since I am not seeing it with firefox.
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[22:40:23] <tsoome> yep
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[23:06:37] <leoric> yurip: don't know if libzfs_core is intended to be public zfs interface. If it is, then good, we can try to switch some applications to using it (or drop zfs integration...)
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[23:12:05] <tsoome> private would be ILLUMOSprivate (or SUNW_private), also, private version does no have numbers.
[23:12:27] <tsoome> usr/src/lib/README.mapfiles ;)
[23:12:48] <yurip> I was just guessing on it having non-private version symbols
[23:13:29] <yurip> and was confused by symbols added to the same version instead of introducing new ones
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[23:14:16] <rmustacc> It was a misake in the original release.
[23:14:20] <rmustacc> It was intended to be private.
[23:14:28] <yurip> ah
[23:14:38] <tsoome> that explains:D
[23:14:43] <rmustacc> At least, that's what I recall being said when it was brought up on a mailing list.
[23:14:46] <rmustacc> Probably a comment should be added.
[23:15:20] <yurip> so we don't really have any public zfs api
[23:15:35] <rmustacc> Not that i know of.
[23:15:37] <rmustacc> *I know of
[23:17:48] <freqlabs> the comment in libzfs_core.c says that the library is supposed to be public eventually but not yet
[23:18:22] <freqlabs> I'd love for that to happen, too :)
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[23:36:07] <bdha> Did the Delphix write throttle fixes get RTI'd at some point?
[23:36:31] <rmustacc> There was a bunch of stuff from them a while back.
[23:36:36] <rmustacc> If there was more recent stuff, I don't know about that.
[23:36:47] <bdha> I don't remember recent stuff, just the algo changes from the last ZFS summit.
[23:36:54] <rmustacc> That's all there.
[23:37:05] <bdha> Looking at an old Max preos, trying to understand bursting. :)
[23:37:12] <bdha> Nice, thanks.
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