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[00:44:53] <LeftWing> https://www.illumos.org/rb/r/209/ # takers?
[00:47:00] <tsoome> signed versus unsigned issue?
[00:47:41] <LeftWing> That, and integer size -- i.e. "int" and "long long" are not the same.
[00:48:21] <LeftWing> There's also a random extra semi-colon in one of the format strings. =\
[00:48:32] <LeftWing> "%;d" is not, as far as I can tell, valid.
[00:49:28] <richlowe> LeftWing: any good with dhcp?
[00:50:55] <richlowe> sod it, I'll just continue losing my mind.
[00:51:00] <richlowe> it's probably easier :)
[00:51:57] <LeftWing> I know a thing or two about it. :P
[00:53:10] <tsoome> ok, I see the embed function was missed on 64bit change...
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[01:09:04] <tsoome> heh, I did miss embed function:D
[01:12:22] <rmustacc> Yeah, the embed function pointer still takes an int *.
[01:14:38] <tsoome> ou, btw, the compiler does not warn about such case, silenced?
[01:15:20] <tsoome> I sort of recall seeing warnings about using different size pointers or something…
[01:15:31] <rmustacc> Dunno.
[01:16:17] <tsoome> # -Wpointer-arith -Wundef ;)
[01:16:27] <tsoome> in Makefile.solaris.defs
[01:16:56] <tsoome> not sure if that one will cover it tho
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[05:18:25] <jelmd> does illumos have a /proc/$$/environ ?
[05:22:52] <jelmd> or is there any place, where the initial value of its PWD env var (if it was set) can be obtained by the running process?
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[05:29:15] <konobi> jelmd: pargs -e <pid>
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[05:30:51] <jelmd> not really. It shows the cwd
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[05:49:27] <konobi> jelmd: https://gist.github.com/konobi/c9195e72750a19f8239e975b6fec4c9d
[05:50:31] <jelmd> let the process chdir(“/tmp”) and try again
[05:51:36] <jelmd> that’s why I used $$ - easier to accomplish in the current shell ..
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[06:53:55] <rmustacc> jelmd: No, there isn't something that captures the initial, unchanged environment.
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[07:32:28] <jelmd> rmustacc: thanx :( - found http://src.iws.cs.ovgu.de/source/xref/illumos-gate/usr/src/uts/common/fs/proc/prvnops.c - thought perhaps psinfo contains pergaps something usable, but no. :-(
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[07:33:58] <jelmd> wondering, how $ORIGIN gets resolved in such cases …
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[07:49:17] <jelmd> FWIW: https://blogs.oracle.com/casper/entry/solaris_11_3_sru_5
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[08:22:54] <DGASAU> tsoome: hi!
[08:23:35] <DGASAU> tsoome: humanity will be grateful to you, if you don't repeat freebsd mistake and don't use ficl or forth in general.
[08:23:50] <DGASAU> tsoome: your friendly ficl maintainer.
[08:24:39] <tsoome> ?
[08:25:19] <DGASAU> Are you that person who came up to ficl mailing list with announcement that you're porting ficl 4.1.0 to illumos?
[08:26:13] <tsoome> I have it for ~year now
[08:28:08] <DGASAU> Whatever.
[08:28:20] <tsoome> you can check demo images http://www.openindiana.org/2016/05/09/boot-loader-project-demo-v6/
[08:28:30] <DGASAU> I'm not going to check it.
[08:28:48] <DGASAU> I have spent enough time maintaining custom code for freebsd boot loader.
[08:29:15] <DGASAU> If you want to help your users, don't use forth.
[08:29:21] <DGASAU> Ficl included.
[08:29:43] <tsoome> I see.
[08:29:44] <Agnar> but forth is very natural for sunos users...
[08:29:59] <DGASAU> You can find corresponding discussion on freebsd lists from 2008 or 2010.
[08:30:10] <DGASAU> Agnar: that's bad excuse.
[08:36:58] <tsoome> well, sure, I only have experience for about year and I only have somewhat updated the menu code (which by itself is in my queue to get quite some more updates to have support for framebuffer), but I havent found anything about it to be total showstopper.
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[09:13:29] <Agnar> DGASAU: works for me ;)
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[09:19:46] <Agnar> hi peter
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[09:20:53] <denk> guys, is it too bad? "bge0: Tx stall detected, watchdog code 0x10000"
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[09:33:33] <tsoome> depends if/how it will recover from stall
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[10:51:01] <tsoome> Woodstock: ping
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[11:02:22] <Woodstock> tsoome: pong
[11:03:24] <tsoome> I am looking on http://src.illumos.org/source/xref/illumos-gate/usr/src/lib/libbe/common/be_activate.c#1321
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[11:03:50] <tsoome> related to Rich second comment in https://www.illumos.org/rb/r/162/diff/3#index_header
[11:04:34] <tsoome> And it occured to me, it has 2 issues - first, it does not serve its purpose making sure we get usable config
[11:05:15] <tsoome> and for second, should we have any filter there at all, should we just browse pool config and call helper for leaf devices?
[11:06:55] <tsoome> the current code will go after children, if vdev is mirror, and will call helper for anything else (including log/spare/cache)
[11:07:47] <tsoome> essentially it is already assuming we have pool in supported configuration…
[11:09:18] <Woodstock> well
[11:09:32] <Woodstock> yes, that seems to be what it does
[11:10:30] <Woodstock> i wonder what that "|| vname[0] != 'c'" part is good for
[11:12:03] <tsoome> I cant remember how the “replacing” config will look like - when we have “virtual” mirror to spare/replace the existing disk…
[11:12:20] <tsoome> it may have to do with it
[11:12:40] <Woodstock> i guess thats worth testing, if you're worried enough :)
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[11:15:01] <tsoome> I’m actually thinking if we should just walk the devices and call helper on all leafs and thats it and let bootfs property setup to fail with error if the config is not valid
[11:15:41] <tsoome> but from another hand, maybe its still reasonable to filter out cache and log
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[11:22:46] <DGASAU> tsoome: anyway, one of reasons I advise against FICL particularly is that it is fundamentally broken, and this is not easy to fix.
[11:22:57] <tsoome> in what way?
[11:22:59] <DGASAU> It requires careful thinking and, probably, redesigning a lot.
[11:23:26] <DGASAU> Exception mechanism doesn't work at all when interaction with C code is involved.
[11:24:04] <konobi> anything in ck that could help?
[11:24:49] <DGASAU> tsoome: whatever, humanity will be grateful to you, if you don't repeat mistakes of the past.
[11:25:27] <DGASAU> I'm leaving since I'm not interested in illumos that much. Sorry. :)
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[11:26:17] <konobi> o.O
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[11:26:35] <tsoome> well, I would need a bit more than that to see if the issue is still valid or not.
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[11:28:08] <konobi> tsoome: but yeah... there might be something in libck that you can use to good effect... dry and all that
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[11:30:08] <tsoome> except that bootloader code as such is plain simple singlethreaded;)
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[11:32:48] <tsoome> also i dont cope well with unreasoned statements. “humanity will be grateful” my ass. If you want to help, help, but keep your frustration and disappointments to yourself.
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[15:42:00] <tsoome> rmustacc: do you still have xhci diff up somewhere btw?:)
[15:50:30] <richlowe> rmustacc: and is illumos-extra being nicer to you yet?
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[15:53:43] <igork> richlowe: about illumos-extra - it will be interest, if it is possible, move it to like oi-userland build env - where will be easy port some components between if needed and more easy to build one-by-one component
[15:54:05] <igork> just need another target instead of publish with IPS
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[16:16:52] <rmustacc> tsoome: I can probably update something somewhere. Why?
[16:17:03] <rmustacc> richlowe: Sorry, been fighting firmware.
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[16:18:10] <tsoome> I have martin with his tablet which is supposed to have usb3 (I think) and would like to see if we could get at least his memory stick working
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[16:22:40] <rmustacc> Uhm.
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[16:37:36] <richlowe> rmustacc: sounds great fun.
[16:42:08] <alp> what do you think about removing sendmail from the gate? http://buildzone.oi-build.r61.net/webrev-sendmail/
[16:43:47] <igork> alp: do you have sendmail build in your oi-userland?
[16:43:51] <alp> yes
[16:43:58] <alp> but it's not committed
[16:43:59] <igork> ok
[16:44:27] <igork> if you have it as replacement package - i'll be agree with removal of sendmail from illumos tree
[16:44:39] <rmustacc> alp: Sounds like tossing more work into illumos-extra.
[16:44:46] <rmustacc> Not like I can stop shipping it.
[16:45:02] <alp> but at least it can be something more up-to-date
[16:45:14] <rmustacc> I was hoping to leverage Woodstock's offer of updating it.
[16:45:24] <rmustacc> Now we all have to do it separately and in incompatible ways.
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[16:45:32] <rmustacc> And figure out all the illumos-isms if any.
[16:46:26] <alp> but illumos-gate build system doesn't suit well to independent software
[16:46:55] <alp> and having it independently built you can update it without a lot of troubles
[16:47:11] <rmustacc> Well, different troubles and different effort.
[16:47:14] <rmustacc> May be easier, may not be.
[16:47:21] <rmustacc> Depends how bad the build system is.
[16:47:36] <alp> if it was easy, it would be updated at least once since 2010
[16:47:45] <rmustacc> Really, who's cared and tried?
[16:47:58] <rmustacc> I mean, I know we haven't cared.
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[16:48:14] <rmustacc> All I'm really saying is it'll be different problems.
[16:48:31] <rmustacc> But look, if everyone else wants to, I'll grumble and just add it to illumos-extra at some point.
[16:48:42] <rmustacc> Not going to block it or anything.
[16:49:23] <alp> look at https://github.com/illumos/illumos-gate/commits/master/usr/src/cmd/sendmail
[16:49:25] <rmustacc> But it's not like I'm jumping for joy at it.
[16:49:49] <alp> it wasn't touched since 2010 besides cosmetic changes
[16:50:15] <alp> every independent software which finishes in illumos-gate mostly just rot there
[16:50:30] <rmustacc> I only mentined it because of what Woodstock said.
[16:50:32] <rmustacc> *shrug*
[16:51:34] <rmustacc> (On the thread)
[16:51:56] <Woodstock> i didn't really offer to update it, but someone on the list suggested he had done all the work already and just not posted it for review :)
[16:51:57] <rmustacc> Do you know at least if there are illumos-isms or consolidation private things that it used to consume.
[16:52:06] <rmustacc> Woodstock: Ah, my bad. Sorry.
[16:52:14] <Woodstock> i would really prefer to see it updated
[16:52:22] <Woodstock> and maintained, which should be relatively simple once updated
[16:52:32] <igork> i think daleg proposed update
[16:52:44] <Woodstock> rmustacc: do you use in-gate sendmail, or the one from pkgsrc?
[16:53:02] <igork> i still using sendmail from gate
[16:53:02] <rmustacc> Well the GZ doesn't ahve pkgsrc.
[16:53:05] <rmustacc> *have
[16:53:08] <Woodstock> i see
[16:53:30] <Woodstock> i do have a patch against pkgsrc sendmail to improve its smf manifest etc., need to talk to jperkin about that
[16:53:54] <rmustacc> So it's been shipped and we'll need to keep shipping it. So if it reaches the point that it's ready to RTI, then I guess I'll need to figure out what we need to change with it to make it sane for illumos.
[16:54:12] <rmustacc> Maybe I'll be lucky and LeftWing will know what that is.
[16:54:22] <alp> what I've found is auth_list.h usage (for MAILQ_AUTH constant)
[16:55:01] <rmustacc> So mostly my lack of enthusiasm is just knowing that I have to maintain more. Not for good reasons.
[16:55:18] <Woodstock> rmustacc: it was dale ghent: http://elemental.org/webrevs/sendmail/
[16:55:42] <igork> his irc nick is daleg :)
[16:55:44] <Woodstock> ah
[16:56:36] <rmustacc> I've already got to unbreak -extra for richlowe and Woodstock. Just wish there wasn't other stuff to do so I could spend time on it.
[16:56:48] <Woodstock> for me?
[16:57:18] <rmustacc> All of the adjunct stuff.
[16:57:24] <Woodstock> ah
[16:57:30] <alp> igork: if you are interested in userland receipt - https://github.com/OpenIndiana/oi-userland/pull/2156
[16:57:38] <Woodstock> right, i wanted to ask how we want to proceed on that :)
[16:57:50] <igork> alp: ok, thanks :)
[16:58:11] <igork> and i need some work on my userland too with it
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[16:59:19] <rmustacc> But if daleg's thing has been tested, I'd rather just take that, mostly selfishly rather than any good reason, I should admit.
[16:59:25] <igork> i have a panic - https://www.illumos.org/issues/7226
[16:59:34] <igork> and can share core dump
[17:00:08] <Woodstock> rmustacc: btw., i wanted to ask you about ddi_intr_disable and ddi_intr_enable
[17:00:19] <rmustacc> igork: It's your distro, debug it?
[17:00:21] <igork> panic on : zoneadm -z bld39 halt
[17:00:25] <igork> yes
[17:00:29] <igork> it is mine
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[17:00:41] <rmustacc> Woodstock: Yeah, what's up?
[17:00:42] <Woodstock> rmustacc: in nvme i use those to temporarily disable interrupts, which works great on real hardware but makes vmware barf and power off the vm
[17:00:51] <rmustacc> I.
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[17:00:58] <rmustacc> That's sad.
[17:01:04] <Woodstock> rmustacc: am i misunderstanding something about them? am i not supposed to use them for that?
[17:01:32] <rmustacc> Well, for blanking interrupts folks generally don't.
[17:01:34] <Woodstock> the manpage isn't clear about it, it just says ddi_intr_enable needs to be called after registering interrupts, and ddi_intr_disable before removing
[17:01:49] <richlowe> when do you disable interrupts?
[17:02:18] <Woodstock> in nvme_init, when i reinit the semaphore for the abort command limit
[17:02:23] <rmustacc> Most folks almost never use those outside of attach/init.
[17:02:42] <rmustacc> Most hardware has its own way to surpress interrupts.
[17:02:48] <richlowe> yeah, I think attach/detach/queisce?
[17:02:54] <richlowe> but yeah, I'd imagine telling the hardware to bugger off is The Way
[17:02:55] <Woodstock> yes, in attach
[17:02:58] <richlowe> cscope seems to agree with me
[17:03:11] <Woodstock> ok, i guess i'll change that then
[17:03:13] <rmustacc> So for example if you're polling on a nic you turn off interrupts usually through the hardware to suspend it.
[17:03:22] <rmustacc> Let me pull up the nvme source and I can make a suggestions.
[17:03:30] <rmustacc> Erm, spec.
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[17:03:54] <Woodstock> i was just debugging that weird msi-x issue on vmware, and thats an additional issue that popped up
[17:04:35] <rmustacc> Hmm.
[17:04:42] <rmustacc> Certainly I could see VMware not like this.
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[17:05:45] <Woodstock> well, right now the code does this for the single fixed interrupt it uses at early init time, and vmware doesn't care
[17:06:00] <Woodstock> for debugging i tried to change it to use msi-x from the beginning and ran into that problem
[17:06:34] <rmustacc> Well this is frustrating.
[17:07:02] <rmustacc> The hardware doesn't give you a separate interrupt enable/disable if you're using MSI-X.
[17:07:09] <rmustacc> Only if you're using INTx and MSI.
[17:07:15] <rmustacc> That's kind of useless.
[17:07:28] <rmustacc> I wonder how all the Linux folks are doing their polling on nvme then.
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[17:07:41] <rmustacc> Most devices have their own seaprate interrupt enable/disable bit.
[17:07:51] <rmustacc> So you can set up the PCI express resources once.
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[17:08:56] <rmustacc> So what's the context where you need to eanble/disable interrupts again for nvme?
[17:09:25] <Woodstock> just for reinitializing the semaphore used for the abort command limit
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[17:13:28] <rmustacc> Well, is there a particular reason we need to disable interrupts during that phase?
[17:13:39] <rmustacc> Can any commands be outstanding at that point in time
[17:14:30] <Woodstock> there is an async event request outstanding, which may or may not be delivered at the most inconvenient moment between sema_destroy and sema_init
[17:15:08] <Woodstock> although i wonder what harm that could possibly do
[17:15:12] <rmustacc> Okay, and the reason we need to recreate the semaphore is what again?
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[17:15:27] <rmustacc> We're trying to resize it
[17:15:28] <rmustacc> *?
[17:15:54] <Woodstock> yes
[17:16:39] <Woodstock> thinking more about it, i think i can drop those calls
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[17:16:56] <rmustacc> So I don't think I see anything in the async path that requires or touches the semaphore, is that right?
[17:18:04] <Woodstock> thats what i see, too
[17:18:48] <Woodstock> the abort command path is only taken (so far) when admin commands time out, and that cannot happen at that time
[17:20:05] <rmustacc> So how exactly did VMware blow up?
[17:20:36] <Woodstock> the original bug was that vmware and msi-x didn't work
[17:20:59] <Woodstock> that is, two vectors are set up, but only one gets interrupts delivered
[17:23:26] <rmustacc> Sigh.
[17:23:32] <rmustacc> VMware.
[17:24:32] <Woodstock> since there are other drivers with msi-x problems on vmware i wondered whether we should just always disable it on vmware
[17:24:47] <Woodstock> instead of modifying every affected driver
[17:25:37] <rmustacc> Dunno off hand. Could always request less.
[17:25:47] <rmustacc> But you'd also not want to interfere with the paravirt stuff.
[17:26:06] <rmustacc> I'd also reach out to some of the Delphix folks.
[17:26:20] <rmustacc> Since vmware is their numer one platform.
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[17:29:08] <rmustacc> *number
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[17:33:07] <Woodstock> thats why i put the discussion about that on discuss :)
[17:33:34] <rmustacc> But, I'd also experiment with limiting the default number of interrupts to one.
[17:35:08] <Woodstock> i did that already, and it worked
[17:35:23] <Woodstock> i also limited interrupt capabilities to exclude msi-x, and it worked
[17:35:58] <Woodstock> another way to make it work is to reboot the vm
[17:36:11] <Woodstock> (the problem only occurs on the first boot of the vm)
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[18:15:18] <ptx0> does vmalloc fail if there isn't enough free memory for the allocation? or does it just return a range and then it will fail when you try and use it
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[18:44:14] <rmustacc> ptx0: Um, vmalloc?
[18:44:51] <rmustacc> There's no vmalloc in illumos.
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[19:04:59] <tomww> or just sit and wait until the allocation has completed one day.
[19:05:03] <tomww> :)
[19:05:22] <ptx0> hm
[19:05:30] <ptx0> I meant malloc
[19:07:42] <rmustacc> So in illumos, by default all memory allocations require a swap reservation. Which means that once memory is allocated whether via mmap / brk, there'll be a page for it.
[19:08:03] <rmustacc> This ensures that when you access it, it'll exist.
[19:08:23] <rmustacc> So you will not get the case of calling malloc, trying to use the page, and having that fail.
[19:08:36] <rmustacc> Unless you explicitly do mmaps requesting not to have a reservation.
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[20:03:55] <thurloat> having some trouble installing my build omnios on another server, talking about consolitation/osnet/osnet-incorporation having a dependency issue. here's paste: http://hastebin.com/anicofubay.hs
[20:04:21] <thurloat> that package appears to be pretty important, most things depend on it
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[20:06:10] <richlowe> it's not so much important, as it is deliberately designed to get in the way if you ask it to do something bad.
[20:06:50] <richlowe> last time I hit that and got the "no exact cause" message, what it really meant is there was a conditional dependency that could never be satisfied.
[20:06:58] <richlowe> and man did it take a long time to find.
[20:07:50] <richlowe> where it comes to omnios specifics, you'd probably need danmcd or someone though.
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[20:10:58] <thurloat> i think I may have figured it out what is different, trying to install an older illumos into a newer omni
[20:11:18] <thurloat> I'm willing to bet that's not a good idea
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[20:18:16] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 7214 make buffer under-read while parsing conditional variables -- Andrew Stormont <astormont at racktopsystems dot com>
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[20:25:52] <estibi> rmustacc: do you plan to upstream https://github.com/joyent/smartos-live/commit/dd25937d2f9725def16f5e8dbb16a8bcbc2213d5 ?
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[20:27:23] <rmustacc> Probably should I guess.
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[20:27:31] <rmustacc> Unfortunately I don't really have more than anecdotal evidence on it.
[20:33:19] <estibi> danmcd will probably ask you that as well, someone on omnios mailing list reported a corrupted pool with a samsung ssds
[20:34:35] <igork> illumos sata support only 512b block?
[20:34:49] <igork> i see messages hardcoded in sources
[20:35:06] <igork> what about 4k drives in ahci hba?
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[20:49:55] <richlowe> you know, for having a distribution, you sure do avoid looking at things yourself.
[20:50:05] <richlowe> and I'm sure not reading our SATA code for you :)
[20:50:27] <igork> richlowe: yeah
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[20:51:10] <igork> it is what i try to do - looking all by myself
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[20:53:48] <igork> i tried to thinks about - maybe someone else fixed sata+ahci for 4k drives? :)
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[20:54:09] <igork> it was a last hope
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[21:11:09] <ptx0> rmustacc: thanks, makes sense
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[21:39:28] <Agnar> anyone using ansible on illumos? seems the zfs module has problems, because it checks for the zpool version number and just gets a "-"
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[21:45:29] <Agnar> ah xenol
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[23:59:52] <xenol> Agnar: i will push fix soon, hope to get it in the next release
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