July 12, 2016 
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July 12, 2016 [00:05:58] *** pmooney <pmooney!~pmooney@2001:470:1f11:836:75fc:e882:989d:2b06> has joined #illumos[00:08:01] *** DKnoto <DKnoto!~DKnoto@apn-46-169-125-186.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[00:13:51] *** xzi11a <xzi11a!~robert@static-108-48-124-82.washdc.fios.verizon.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[00:24:55] *** arg <arg!~smuxi@159-253-77-232.static.kc.net.uk> has joined #illumos[00:27:31] *** tdowg1 <tdowg1!~quassel@c-69-250-24-50.hsd1.md.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[00:28:41] *** bdha <bdha!~bdha@165.225.136.186> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[00:43:48] *** Gamlor <Gamlor!~Instantbi@222.233.98.91> has joined #illumos[00:50:33] *** Kelzier <Kelzier!~duka@77.105.56.159> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[00:57:51] *** mmacy <mmacy!~mmacy@2601:602:9701:b4a2:b1e1:2e0e:70b9:ab91> has joined #illumos[00:58:41] *** ericray <ericray!~ejray@96.90.168.230> has joined #illumos[00:58:42] <mmacy> rmustacc: ping[00:59:33] <mmacy> does anyone know about process startup in zones?[01:05:34] *** ericray <ericray!~ejray@96.90.168.230> has quit IRC (Quit: ericray)[01:06:01] <rmustacc> If you ask your questions, we'll try to answer them.[01:06:53] <rmustacc> So mmacy, what's up?[01:07:28] <mmacy> rmustacc: so normally the interpreter is a property in a binary's elf header[01:07:52] <mmacy> and I know that lx branded zones haven't made it upstream, but I assume you still have branded zones right?[01:09:27] <rmustacc> The PT_INTERP?[01:09:36] <mmacy> in order for an lx branded zone to work as described in the comments the interpreter must be ignored[01:09:38] <rmustacc> As opposed to a traditional #! interpreter.[01:09:43] <mmacy> right[01:09:46] <mmacy> [~|16:03|9] elfdump -i /compat/linux/bin/bash[01:09:46] <mmacy> interp:[01:09:46] <mmacy> /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2[01:10:17] <mmacy> because it must use the regular solaris ld.so[01:10:24] <mmacy> to start[01:10:37] *** Woodstock <Woodstock!grumpf@beiss.dessnourst.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[01:10:40] <mmacy> and then run the linux ld.so[01:10:42] *** tim-tang <tim-tang!~tim_tang@121.238.253.100> has joined #illumos[01:11:01] <mmacy> because it initializes the lxbrand.so library[01:11:07] <rmustacc> I think that might be the case as part of jamming in the support libraries.[01:11:28] *** andy_js <andy_js!~andy@90.219.225.136> has quit IRC (Quit: andy_js)[01:12:07] <rmustacc> mmacy: IIRC we send down additional aux vectors with the original values.[01:12:15] <mmacy> ok[01:12:26] <mmacy> that makes sense[01:12:51] <mmacy> which tells the solaris ld.so what to do next along with the lxbrand stuf[01:12:53] <mmacy> stuff[01:13:19] <rmustacc> It you look at uts/common/brand/lx/sys/lx_brand.h, you'll see how we map a bunch of the ELF aux headers to additional things.[01:13:45] <rmustacc> But I'll admit, this part of the machinations isn't something I've looked at very much.[01:14:43] <mmacy> thanks[01:15:28] <mmacy> FreeBSD's jails are a pale shadow of zones, so I'm trying to figure out how I'd integrate lxbrand in without using zones[01:15:37] *** Woodstock <Woodstock!~grumpf@beiss.dessnourst.de> has joined #illumos[01:15:44] *** ira <ira!~ira@samba/team/ira> has joined #illumos[01:15:53] <rmustacc> Do you have the system call interposition?[01:15:57] *** snuff-work <snuff-work!~blatus@203.87.61.22> has joined #illumos[01:16:11] <rmustacc> Or basically a way to set on the process that it should be treated as living in the branded world?[01:16:26] <rmustacc> As, that's really part of what's the key, the brand.[01:16:31] <mmacy> FreeBSD currently uses the linux brand to install a completely separet system call vector[01:16:45] <mmacy> which means that all support is in kernel[01:16:52] <mmacy> which is nice ... as far as it goes[01:17:07] <mmacy> but it's about 15 years behind[01:17:26] <mmacy> really only includes functions where there's a clear mapping between linux and freebsd[01:17:33] <mmacy> plus futex and a few niceties[01:18:01] *** tim-tang <tim-tang!~tim_tang@121.238.253.100> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[01:18:44] <mmacy> so I guess I could just use the brand and invoke the freebsd /libexec/ld-elf.so.1[01:18:58] <mmacy> and pass the interpreter et al down to it[01:19:23] <mmacy> which would require teaching it about brandx[01:22:39] <mmacy> rmustacc: incrementally extending the existing linux compatibility is superficially much easier, but hoisting in lxbrand might get me to the point of running linux chromium / Steam / oraclejdk et al much faster in the long run[01:22:58] <rmustacc> Potentially. A lot of the stuff in it is is still implemented in the kernel.[01:23:29] <rmustacc> But pmooney would probably have a better sense of the breakdown.[01:23:38] <pmooney> chromium doesn't run in LX at the moment[01:23:41] <mmacy> ok[01:23:51] <mmacy> even if you disable sandboxing?[01:23:58] <pmooney> it might then[01:24:01] <mmacy> I noticed you're missing the sandboxing arguments to clone[01:24:07] <pmooney> it's the sandboxing stuff that's broken right now[01:24:17] <mmacy> but you have netlink and inotify[01:24:18] <pmooney> we don't support namespaces or SECCOMP_BPF[01:24:24] <mmacy> which are two things that FreeBSD is missing[01:24:39] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@218.88.85.182> has joined #illumos[01:25:02] <pmooney> our netlink support is rather thin, but it's enought to query data about interfaces/addresses/routes[01:25:03] <mmacy> you also have a much more complete mremap implementation[01:25:04] <rmustacc> inotify we implmented on top of our own internal file event notification layer.[01:25:31] <mmacy> I probably would need to extend kqueue to support that anyway[01:25:32] <mmacy> so[01:25:53] <rmustacc> But yeah, a bunch of the pseudo-devices should be fairly easy to port.[01:25:56] <mmacy> are there any plans to add user namespaces support to clone?[01:26:04] *** ericray <ericray!~ejray@96.90.168.230> has joined #illumos[01:26:05] <mmacy> oh and you have epoll[01:26:08] <mmacy> which I don't think we have[01:26:11] <pmooney> fbsd has epoll[01:26:14] <mmacy> ok[01:26:17] <pmooney> but I don't think it's as complete[01:26:38] <mmacy> and your sysfs/linprocfs appear to be much more up to date[01:26:55] <mmacy> which I guess is technically orthogonal to syscall emulation[01:27:15] <rmustacc> Well, hopefully what we have is useful.[01:27:16] <mmacy> but the upside would be that we could piggyback on the illumos upstream to some degree[01:27:16] <nbjoerg> oraclejdk doesn't need much, does it?[01:27:26] <mmacy> I haven't tried it yet[01:27:33] <mmacy> it's not impossible that it works with what we have now[01:27:45] <pmooney> nbjoerg: it's rather picky about having stuff like vfork(2) implemented correctly[01:27:50] <pmooney> it should work, though[01:27:58] <nbjoerg> for what value of "correctly"?[01:28:20] <pmooney> well, vfork in particular has been a source of numerous issues in LX[01:28:28] <nbjoerg> linux emulation is always a game of wack-a-mole[01:28:33] <mmacy> yup[01:28:40] <nbjoerg> they can't stop adding new crap[01:28:41] <mmacy> which is why it helps to have other players[01:28:41] <pmooney> it's part of the brand which still runs in userspace, so there's some weirdness[01:28:42] <mmacy> :D[01:29:38] <pmooney> yeah, I've been meaning to take a closer look at the freebsd linux compat stuff[01:30:07] <pmooney> it only just got 64-bit support in the last release, right?[01:30:10] <mmacy> with the exception of user namespaces, the things that freebsd is missing now it was missing back in the 2.6.32 days[01:30:12] <mmacy> yes[01:30:16] <mmacy> about a year ago[01:30:22] * nbjoerg dreads the day when udev or systemd becomes part of posix[01:30:28] <mmacy> ick[01:30:31] <mmacy> indeed[01:30:45] <mmacy> I guess it's probably inevitable[01:30:46] <pmooney> nbjoerg: systemd commits so many atrocities[01:30:53] <pmooney> don't even get me started[01:30:57] <mmacy> indeed[01:31:05] <mmacy> let's not get side tracked[01:31:53] <mmacy> https://github.com/freebsd/freebsd/blob/master/sys/amd64/linux/linux_dummy.c[01:32:01] <mmacy> those are system calls that are completely unimplemented[01:32:24] <mmacy> PTRACE_SYSCALL/PTRACE_{GET,SET}SIGINFO aren't implemented[01:32:51] *** lblume <lblume!~lblume@greenviolet/laoyijiehe/lblume> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[01:32:57] <pmooney> that list isn't far from LX[01:33:40] <pmooney> does freebsd lack sendfile?[01:33:46] <mmacy> lol[01:33:56] <mmacy> it's key to NFLX's operations[01:34:05] <mmacy> it just has different arguments than Linux's[01:34:28] <mmacy> async sendfile is one thing on FreeBSD that is clearly superior to linux[01:34:59] <mmacy> I doubt it would be hard to map the arguments[01:35:03] <mmacy> but I thought the same of ptrace[01:35:15] *** ericray <ericray!~ejray@96.90.168.230> has quit IRC (Quit: ericray)[01:35:16] <mmacy> getting ptrace updated is definitely harder than it looked at first glance[01:35:52] * nbjoerg hasn't tried ptrace from linux emu in netbsd in a long time[01:36:23] <mmacy> it needs some extra love to get modern strace to work[01:36:59] <pmooney> yeah, ptrace is a huge pain[01:38:00] <pmooney> something on the order of weeks have been spent on that emulation by Joyent engineers[01:38:18] <mmacy> I can only imagine[01:38:19] <mmacy> :-/[01:38:34] <pmooney> perhaps months[01:39:34] *** ericray <ericray!~ejray@96.90.168.230> has joined #illumos[01:39:39] *** rmesta <rmesta!~rmesta@cpe-70-114-131-66.austin.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[01:41:40] <richlowe> do y'all think I want to know why nfs_clnt.h includes condvar_impl rather than condvar?[01:42:07] <mmacy> pmooney: so it sounds like there isn't a big enough difference to merit a switch?[01:42:41] <pmooney> mmacy: switch to what?[01:42:46] <mmacy> lxbrand[01:43:18] <mmacy> the illumos code doesn't provide enough additional functionality to merit porting[01:43:33] <pmooney> porting over to freebsd?[01:43:36] <mmacy> that's what I'm trying to evaluate[01:43:37] <mmacy> yes[01:43:53] <pmooney> I mean, it depends on what you need[01:44:06] <pmooney> some of it like ptrace is probably too welded to the illumos internals[01:44:29] *** ericray <ericray!~ejray@96.90.168.230> has quit IRC (Quit: ericray)[01:44:45] <pmooney> but that isn't to say that it's impossible for there to be bits worth lifting over[01:45:15] <pmooney> or, at the very least, use them as a reference when implementing pieces in fsbd[01:45:18] <pmooney> *fbsd[01:45:37] <pmooney> I think we've been fairly good about documenting in LX[01:46:22] <pmooney> This is especially true when it comes to weird edge cases which were paid for in blood[01:46:40] <mmacy> well LX looks much cleaner than what is in FreeBSD[01:46:54] <mmacy> and I get the impression that Illumos has actually bled on this code[01:47:13] <mmacy> but I wonder how much of that would be lost in the porting[01:47:33] <mmacy> and if illumos devs continue to work on this[01:47:46] <mmacy> there's a continued stream of effort to refine it[01:48:39] <mmacy> but getting the initial brand bits to work in FreeBSD would also be a headach[01:49:22] <pmooney> Yeah, I think it's probably more useful as something to pick-and-choose from to fill in the gaps in freebsd[01:49:41] <mmacy> yup[01:49:58] <pmooney> Especially as we move more in-kernel, I don't think the brand code could live in freebsd as a 3rd-party/contrib module[01:50:08] <pmooney> Integration with the host OS is too tight[01:50:15] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@218.88.85.182> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[01:50:17] <mmacy> I see[01:50:32] <mmacy> yeah there's no VFS layer that one can abstract against[01:50:55] <mmacy> looking for a silver bullet, where there is none I guess[01:50:56] <pmooney> Well and things like signal handling are very delicate[01:51:36] <pmooney> With ptrace and signalfd, they're difficult to do correctly[01:51:50] <pmooney> (especially ptrace)[01:51:51] <mmacy> what does signalfd do btw?[01:52:00] <mmacy> it's one of the missing bits that you have[01:52:03] <pmooney> allow you to read signals from a file descriptor[01:52:11] <mmacy> oh[01:52:11] <mmacy> weird[01:52:13] <rmustacc> Importantly it consumes it.[01:52:26] <pmooney> yeah[01:52:28] <rmustacc> It's an attempt to get around the classic pipe dance.[01:52:32] <mmacy> right[01:53:27] <mmacy> any suggestions on implementing inotify (assuming you have some familiarity with kqueue)[01:53:29] <mmacy> ?[01:54:01] <rmustacc> I think the trick is what do you have under the hood for kqueue.[01:54:30] <pmooney> I haven't done much with inotify, save for a fix so that journald would function properly[01:54:56] <mmacy> at a glance EVFILT_VNODE would do it[01:55:04] <mmacy> but not sure it has what is needed[01:55:27] <mmacy> and then kqueue has a very different interface from inotify[01:55:34] <mmacy> as I'd have to interpose on read[01:56:14] <mmacy> http://pastebin.com/m5tbH4nf[01:56:29] <mmacy> those are the actions that EVFILT_VNODE supports[01:57:16] <mmacy> the inotify_init man page tells me nothing about what events it supprots[01:58:26] <rmustacc> You'll probably find the manual page Bryan wrote more useful: https://smartos.org/man/5/inotify[01:58:28] <pmooney> This is one case were you might want to look at the illumos driver[01:58:30] <pmooney> yeah[01:59:11] <rmustacc> The events subsection has what you want.[01:59:25] <mmacy> yup[01:59:45] <mmacy> the looks like that matches pretty well with EVFILT_VNODE[02:00:43] <mmacy> the kind of thing where I won't figure out all the corner cases until I try to actually implement it :-/[02:00:54] <rmustacc> Well, the WARNINGS section has some hints.[02:01:17] <mmacy> right[02:01:27] <mmacy> freebsd has the same problem with path to name[02:02:00] <mmacy> "problem"[02:03:00] <mmacy> https://github.com/luigirizzo/netlink-freebsd[02:03:17] <mmacy> luigi actually implemented a netlink for freebsd but it didn't go in due to namespace bikeshedding[02:04:10] <mmacy> in the FreeBSD world, better nothing than having the wrong color![02:05:13] <pmooney> That's been an upside to the LX work, since it's segregated to the brand.[02:05:39] <mmacy> right[02:05:56] <rmustacc> *ish[02:06:25] <mmacy> well when I extended the linuxkpi for graphics work is was mostly standalone[02:06:35] <mmacy> but I ran in to shortfalls in the VM interface[02:06:51] <mmacy> and things like selwakeup can't run from interrupt context[02:07:06] <mmacy> which is a bit lame, schedule a thread to schedule a thread ...[02:07:15] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@218.88.85.182> has joined #illumos[02:15:53] <mmacy> pmooney: I'm told luigi's netlink is buggy, so if illumos' is in actual use[02:15:59] <mmacy> that may be worth re-using[02:19:33] *** tim-tang <tim-tang!~tim_tang@117.82.66.96> has joined #illumos[02:24:44] *** bdha <bdha!~bdha@165.225.136.186> has joined #illumos[02:26:02] <igork> i can see full list of process in global zone by : ps ax[02:26:12] <igork> how can i identify - what process run in zone?[02:26:21] <mmacy> pmooney: oh ick, you support read by making it a device[02:26:25] <mmacy> (inotify)[02:32:37] *** dap_ <dap_!~dap@208.184.5.170> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[02:40:31] <bdha> igork: ps -efZ[02:40:43] <igork> thanks[02:43:32] <mmacy> pmooney: chromium also wants name_to_handle_at[02:43:38] <mmacy> which I guess lxbrand doesn't have either[02:47:20] <mmacy> pmooney: I don't see the benefit of splitting openat in to 2 parts[02:50:44] <mmacy> maybe to pass to a child in the sandbox[02:52:24] *** nikolam 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<tsoome!~tsoome@220-90-235-80.dyn.estpak.ee> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[08:46:59] <sensille> reading source code helps: with mdb -kW it works[09:02:01] <LeftWing> Yeah, to read device mappings you need some special extra magic.[09:02:17] <LeftWing> I've even done it from DTrace, but I think to do that I had to adjust the program text with mdb -kw :P[09:02:22] <LeftWing> It's obviously not recommended.[09:04:59] <sensille> a hint to use -W instead of just "no mapping for address" would have been nice, but I guess mdb can't distinguish that easily[09:05:40] <LeftWing> It might be able to.[09:05:44] <LeftWing> (I'm not sure.)[09:05:54] <LeftWing> If it can, I suspect that an error message improvement would be welcome.[09:08:06] <sensille> with -W it just open /dev/allkmem instead of /dev/kmem[09:18:59] <LeftWing> Ah.[09:52:22] *** TyrfingMjolnir <TyrfingMjolnir!~Tyrfing@62.92.82.250> has joined #illumos[09:53:30] <konobi> rmustacc: in terms of illumos on arm... since you 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like to get a super micro ARM VPS with like 32MB of RAM for $0.50/mo[10:30:32] <freqlabs> wonder how many lxd containers you can squeeze out of a C1[10:31:06] *** shruti <shruti!shruti@nat/redhat/x-zahifjasziqmesno> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[10:32:44] <konobi> npx: they also bill hourly... €0.006 p/h[10:33:22] <npx> didn't notice the toggle button, that *is* cool[10:33:29] *** shruti <shruti!shruti@nat/redhat/x-gcdcjhpxqwsxmcbr> has joined #illumos[10:34:28] <konobi> oh... let me ask the nodejs folks... they use scaleway for their arm CI/builds[10:39:32] *** sac <sac!sac@nat/redhat/x-muncvfgepptvmvka> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[10:39:54] *** sac <sac!sac@nat/redhat/x-eqzxqcxflgfbypxr> has joined #illumos[10:42:29] *** alanc <alanc!~alanc@inet-hqmc05-o.oracle.com> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[10:42:46] *** alanc <alanc!~alanc@inet-hqmc05-o.oracle.com> has joined #illumos[10:45:15] *** Na3iL <Na3iL!~Na3iL@ubuntu/member/na3il> has quit IRC 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around?[17:39:23] <tsoome> yep[17:39:42] <rmustacc> The recent size(9P) stuff for lofi.[17:39:50] <rmustacc> Did that cause issues with reading encrypted zvols?[17:40:28] <rmustacc> Erm encrypted zpools.[17:40:47] <tsoome> no, it was about ldi_get_size() failing to get “disk” size.[17:42:10] <rmustacc> Hmm. A SmartOS user is having issue with lofi encrypted volumes and zpools on top of it.[17:42:10] <tsoome> some sort of issue with encrypted images?[17:42:20] <rmustacc> Yeah, zpool seems to think there's no vdev...[17:42:50] <igork> richlowe: ping. i have debug build crashed on boot on real hw, but it is working on VM - it is after aslr. i have tested dilos build with debug on real hw on supermicro - and it was working. it is first build with debug on what i try to look on real hw and it is failed - https://cl.ly/3D3V0n2V272u[17:43:03] <igork> do you have ideas what i can try take a look?[17:43:21] <rmustacc> Boot -kd and get an actual stack trace.[17:43:30] <igork> non-debug build with aslr on this hw work fine[17:43:40] <rmustacc> Your kvm viewer has cut off a bunch of stuff.[17:43:47] <tsoome> let me check, but the size calculation itself should be the same...[17:44:05] <igork> rmustacc: you can see - it is all info on screen[17:44:06] <rmustacc> Want me to send them here so they can describe more for you?[17:44:26] <rmustacc> Well, maybe you're really unlucky and double faulting then igork.[17:44:30] <igork> but i'll try connect to serial console[17:44:42] <rmustacc> At which point I'd just single step / bifurcate where it's going wrong.[17:44:47] <igork> non-debug build work fine[17:45:47] <igork> also, it is interest - debug build work fine on vmware fusion[17:45:54] <igork> but failed on real hw[17:45:57] *** CVLTCMK0 <CVLTCMK0!~Ident@ool-18b894d6.dyn.optonline.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[17:46:05] <rmustacc> With all bugs, when you understand them, the quirks that cause this will become clear.[17:46:27] <rmustacc> tsoome: I'm getting them to write it all up for the moment.[17:47:49] <tsoome> yea the size itself is calculated as lsp->ls_vp_size - lsp->ls_crypto_offset, first one is mapped file size[17:49:46] *** liuzhen_ <liuzhen_!~liuzhen@218.241.172.114> has joined #illumos[17:50:17] <igork> the same codebase and non-debug build - https://cl.ly/1q1O0L2d3L1V[17:50:25] <igork> it booted as well[17:50:25] *** alanc <alanc!~alanc@inet-hqmc04-o.oracle.com> has joined #illumos[17:50:30] <igork> on the same hw[17:50:37] *** npx <npx!~alex@cpe-72-133-255-238.mi.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[17:50:43] *** anniz <anniz!~anniz@c83-250-15-118.bredband.comhem.se> has joined #illumos[17:51:07] <igork> well, time to try remove aslr on separate branch and try to check debug build on this hw[17:51:42] *** liuzhen <liuzhen!~liuzhen@218.241.172.114> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)[17:51:52] <rmustacc> igork: There's lots of possible reasons.[17:52:08] <rmustacc> I'd personally suggest stepping through and seeing where you are when the panic gets triggered.[17:53:16] <rmustacc> tsoome: I'll ping you when they have that bug created.[17:53:41] <tsoome> I just did lofiadm -c aes-256-cbc -a test and zpool create tank /dev/lofi/1[17:53:57] <tsoome> but thats in global zone[17:54:05] <rmustacc> They were doing this in the global zone.[17:54:24] <rmustacc> But they were doing a lofiadm -c -a -k, then a zpool import -d[17:55:03] <rmustacc> They're doing some validation and confirming which ZFS ioctl fails.[17:55:27] *** igork <igork!~igork@static.146.8.9.5.clients.your-server.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[17:55:33] <tsoome> can it be they do not have that size(9P) related fix?[17:55:46] <rmustacc> I know they don't.[17:55:52] <tsoome> because that one was revealed by zfs tests[17:56:05] <tsoome> ah, that should be it then[17:56:05] <rmustacc> That's why I was trying to ask if that could cause this[17:56:26] <rmustacc> Oh. I thought you were saying it couldn't.[17:56:42] <rmustacc> Okay, well, that sounds promissing.[17:56:59] *** matejz <matejz!~matejz@element.planetq.org> has joined #illumos[17:57:55] <rmustacc> tsoome: Thanks![17:58:02] <tsoome> np[17:58:12] <rmustacc> Hopefully this is the last of these class of things.[17:58:27] <tsoome> I hope it too:D[17:59:45] <tsoome> the bad thing is that its not that easy to track down every possible relation..[17:59:52] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 6610 NULL pointer constant issues in uts/i86xpv -- Richard PALO <richard at NetBSD dot org>[18:00:16] <rmustacc> Well, we've learned a bit so we know what things we need to do for additional lofi testing next time.[18:01:25] *** bahamat <bahamat!~bahamat@ip72-199-207-63.sd.sd.cox.net> has joined #illumos[18:02:55] <tsoome> sad thing is that “zpool import” is hunging on my physical box - but I dont think its related to lofi, as another host with lofi mapping active runs zpool import just fine.[18:03:49] <tsoome> wonder if the usb stick has anything to do about it...[18:04:04] <tsoome> indeed it was[18:04:34] <tsoome> thats interesting - unplugging usb stick did “fix” it…[18:05:27] *** esoel__ <esoel__!~esoel_@194.168.210.162> has joined #illumos[18:08:33] *** esoel_ <esoel_!~esoel_@194.168.210.162> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[18:10:03] *** yomisei <yomisei!~void@ip4d161d48.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de> has joined #illumos[18:14:32] *** bahamat <bahamat!~bahamat@ip72-199-207-63.sd.sd.cox.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[18:19:18] *** igork <igork!~igork@static.146.8.9.5.clients.your-server.de> has joined #illumos[18:19:42] <igork> sorry, was disconnected, what i missed about my panic?[18:19:44] *** xzi11a <xzi11a!~robert@static-108-48-124-82.washdc.fios.verizon.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[18:21:11] *** yomisei <yomisei!~void@ip4d161d48.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[18:24:27] *** yomisei 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richlowe: just for confirmation - i just built new build with DBUG and without integrated aslr - it was loaded to remote hw fine - https://cl.ly/2b1M2s0s2H2v[19:44:07] *** natkin <natkin!~natkin@cpe-70-117-102-168.austin.res.rr.com> has joined #illumos[19:45:16] <tsoome> so something enabled in debug mode is making your life interesting:P[19:45:32] <igork> something elf changes[19:46:54] *** matejz <matejz!~matejz@element.planetq.org> has quit IRC (Quit: matejz)[19:56:43] *** natkin <natkin!~natkin@cpe-70-117-102-168.austin.res.rr.com> has quit IRC ()[20:02:42] *** xzi11a <xzi11a!~robert@static-108-48-124-82.washdc.fios.verizon.net> has joined #illumos[20:20:02] *** merzo <merzo!~merzo@183-108-134-95.pool.ukrtel.net> has joined #illumos[20:29:40] *** pmooney_ <pmooney_!~pmooney@2001:470:1f11:836:c4f1:e572:5d7a:f705> has joined #illumos[20:31:44] *** pmooney <pmooney!~pmooney@2001:470:1f11:836:75fc:e882:989d:2b06> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[20:44:43] <richlowe> that seems 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