July 9, 2016 
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July 9, 2016 [00:00:29] *** mhicks <mhicks!~Adium@ip72-192-178-150.sd.sd.cox.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[00:03:40] *** Toasterson <Toasterson!~Thunderbi@2a02:1205:c691:560:d069:3e6d:69cd:e7e0> has quit IRC (Quit: Toasterson)[00:37:51] <richlowe> rmustacc: is "document even more stuff" feedback? :)[00:37:55] *** dap_ <dap_!~dap@208.184.5.170> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[00:39:10] <rmustacc> Reminding me what that stuff is, is useful.[00:39:49] <rmustacc> While rings stuff with GLDv3 is on the list, not sure what else is right now.[00:40:05] <rmustacc> Though I am documenting usba as I write xhci[00:40:34] <richlowe> usba was on the list.[00:41:08] <richlowe> basically, I think I expressed this in email to... some destination. I fundamentally disagree with Sun's view on documenting stuff (at least here in the modern world), and I think we should document every damn thing.[00:41:16] <richlowe> if people use the bits we tell them not to, that's sad (for them)[00:41:34] <rmustacc> Yeah, I put that's one of the first things you see in every usba thing I did.[00:41:51] <rmustacc> So tell me what you want and I'll try to add it to the list.[00:42:10] <richlowe> If you come across it in regular work, and man tells you there's no page, add it to the list :)[00:42:15] <LeftWing> The SCSI HBA framework stuff is probably on the list too.[00:42:26] <rmustacc> It helps if you can trick me into working on something in that area.[00:42:27] <richlowe> I tried to keep an informal list of places I was angry 'man foo' had no foo[00:42:28] <LeftWing> Particularly the later, more advanced interfaces that allow you to be more of a nexus[00:42:29] <richlowe> but I'm not finding it.[00:42:43] <rmustacc> Like xhci.[00:42:45] <rmustacc> And GLDv3.[00:43:32] <rmustacc> And I guess libproc?[00:43:46] <rmustacc> But sure, when you find them, harass me about it, I guess?[00:46:32] <tsoome> I believe the older edda also has few lost words or so… :P[00:47:07] <richlowe> sadly, the world tree came straight out of new jersey.[00:55:18] *** Kurlon <Kurlon!~Kurlon@bidd-pub-03.gwi.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[00:59:39] *** potatosalad <potatosalad!~potatosal@69.20.161.247> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[01:14:00] *** potatosalad <potatosalad!~potatosal@69.20.161.247> has joined #illumos[01:19:57] *** potatosalad <potatosalad!~potatosal@69.20.161.247> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[01:24:22] *** potatosalad <potatosalad!~potatosal@69.20.161.247> has joined #illumos[01:31:42] *** potatosalad <potatosalad!~potatosal@69.20.161.247> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[01:32:21] *** TyrfingMjolnir <TyrfingMjolnir!~Tyrfing@62.92.82.250> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[01:48:55] *** andy_js <andy_js!~andy@90.219.225.136> has quit IRC (Quit: andy_js)[01:50:03] *** aou <aou!~aou@login.sifive.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[01:50:34] *** rmesta <rmesta!~rmesta@cpe-70-114-131-66.austin.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[01:51:04] *** Kurlon <Kurlon!~Kurlon@68-113-146-141.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com> has joined #illumos[01:51:17] *** Kelzier <Kelzier!~duka@77.105.56.159> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[01:55:03] *** Riastradh <Riastradh!~riastradh@netbsd/developer/riastradh> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[01:56:02] *** Kurlon <Kurlon!~Kurlon@68-113-146-141.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)[02:12:24] <richlowe> rmustacc, LeftWing: y'all do 'make install' in uts/intel/genunix often/ever?[02:16:15] <richlowe> sure would like to know why this has just fucked off into never never land :\[02:17:47] *** pmooney <pmooney!~pmooney@2001:470:1f11:836:a914:7298:fc17:5d5e> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 1.5)[02:22:46] <rmustacc> richlowe: Once in a blue moon[02:23:04] <richlowe> well, since you're the one around, I'll share the joy here too[02:23:14] <rmustacc> Yay team.[02:23:33] <richlowe> ufs_subr.c:76: #define ASSERT(x) /* don't use asserts for fsck et al */[02:23:40] <richlowe> sometimes I think I exist in a different universe to everyone else[02:24:25] <rmustacc> At least it's in an ifdef !_KERNEL[02:24:33] <richlowe> there's that, I suppose, yeah.[02:24:38] <richlowe> but you know where I'd also really care about asserts?[02:24:44] <richlowe> When you're swizzling my already dirty FS[02:24:46] <rmustacc> fsck?[02:25:25] <rmustacc> I mean, that's assuming that when it trips over the assertion it doesn't leave it in an even worse state.[02:25:32] *** ipalreadytaken <ipalreadytaken!~ipalready@108-232-26-171.lightspeed.sndgca.sbcglobal.net> has joined #illumos[02:25:42] <richlowe> I can't decide whether 'dmake install' is going away because I screwed up dmake somehow, or because of the weird dependency magic for genunix[02:25:43] <richlowe> or both.[02:26:16] <rmustacc> You mean dmake install doesn't work in genunix?[02:26:21] <rmustacc> Or something else is going on?[02:26:31] <richlowe> it works, but as an incremental it just wanders off for 20 minutes[02:26:32] <richlowe> sometimes[02:26:36] <rmustacc> I, uh.[02:26:50] <rmustacc> Hmm.[02:27:11] <igork> richlowe: it off because it has autogenerated offset[02:27:23] <richlowe> No it isn't, it's not rebuilding those[02:27:35] <richlowe> it's just checking dependencies, very very slowly (according to dtrace)[02:28:03] <richlowe> to the degree I'm wondering if maybe I screwed the logic and it's decided to run serial make or something.[02:28:39] <richlowe> but you'd think someone would have noticed that sooner[02:29:11] <igork> with dmake -m serial install - it can fail and i did it over intel target or uts[02:30:31] <igork> i do often part of builds of components with gcc warnings checks and for uts some targets failed - need to check it by uts target[02:30:44] *** bahamat <bahamat!~bahamat@ip72-199-207-63.sd.sd.cox.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[02:33:35] *** tim-tang <tim-tang!~tim_tang@58.209.166.27> has joined #illumos[02:35:25] <richlowe> well, it's claiming it is parallel at least.[02:35:37] <richlowe> which raises more questions, not fewer, but there we are[02:36:39] *** bahamat <bahamat!~bahamat@ip72-199-207-63.sd.sd.cox.net> has joined #illumos[02:38:39] *** tim-tang <tim-tang!~tim_tang@58.209.166.27> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[02:41:59] <npx> I've had this recurring fantasy of a cmake build... and https://github.com/Andersbakken/rtags with neovim[02:42:19] <npx> I mean, in fairness, I hate cmake but llvm uses it[02:53:34] <richlowe> those two things seem unrelated.[02:54:11] <richlowe> and rtags doesn't seem like it'll do that much beyond cscope[02:57:24] *** tim-tang <tim-tang!~tim_tang@114.216.27.103> has joined #illumos[02:58:03] *** v_a_b <v_a_b!~volker@p5B3712C6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[03:01:19] *** v_a_b <v_a_b!~volker@p5B3704DE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #illumos[03:01:24] <npx> yeah I'd find it really hard to advocate for cmake on its own terms but I imagine being able to just drop tagged llvm/clang releases into -gate along with neovim/rtags/etc and it almost makes sense[03:01:45] <npx> I can relate to having intense disdain for it though hah[03:04:03] *** bahamat <bahamat!~bahamat@ip72-199-207-63.sd.sd.cox.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[03:11:15] *** liuzhen <liuzhen!~liuzhen@218.241.172.114> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[03:13:05] *** potatosalad <potatosalad!~potatosal@69.20.161.247> has joined #illumos[03:18:51] *** ira_ <ira_!~ira@samba/team/ira> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[03:20:00] *** ed209 <ed209!~ed209@165.225.128.67> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[03:20:06] *** ed209 <ed209!~ed209@165.225.128.67> has joined #illumos[03:29:59] *** chromatin <chromatin!~chromatin@d149-67-249-75.try.wideopenwest.com> has joined #illumos[03:39:31] *** tim-tang <tim-tang!~tim_tang@114.216.27.103> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[03:40:19] *** potatosalad <potatosalad!~potatosal@69.20.161.247> has quit IRC (Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. 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#illumos[12:51:18] *** melloc <melloc!~melloc@75-54-22-158.lightspeed.snbuca.sbcglobal.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[13:01:29] *** aaro <aaro!~aaro@unaffiliated/xyox/x-040147> has joined #illumos[13:14:14] *** leoric <leoric!~leoric@46.147.124.127> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[13:15:17] *** lblume <lblume!~lblume@greenviolet/laoyijiehe/lblume> has joined #illumos[13:37:09] *** xsdfdfsa <xsdfdfsa!~x@unaffiliated/sdfgsdfg> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[13:38:08] *** lblume <lblume!~lblume@greenviolet/laoyijiehe/lblume> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[13:42:12] *** shyu <shyu!~Frank@180.173.197.145> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)[13:54:06] <Krotiz> hey, lets say you have 6 x 1TB disks in a single mirrored vdev (so 6 way mirror) how many would you guys say i could pull out and replace at once ? so how many drives simulatiously resilvering[13:54:12] <Krotiz> i know it would degrade performance a lot[13:54:15] <Krotiz> but thats not important[13:54:19] *** lblume <lblume!~lblume@greenviolet/laoyijiehe/lblume> has joined #illumos[13:54:32] <Krotiz> I was planning on doing 3 at once[13:54:53] <Krotiz> but wondered if i should do more or less? anyone had experience in this ?[14:02:41] *** Kelzier <Kelzier!~duka@77.105.56.159> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[14:03:50] *** aaro <aaro!~aaro@unaffiliated/xyox/x-040147> has quit IRC (Quit: aaro)[14:04:12] *** _joes_ <_joes_!~anonymous@santoroj.plus.com> has joined #illumos[14:06:39] *** makruger <makruger!~Michael@c-65-96-193-9.hsd1.vt.comcast.net> has joined #illumos[14:44:17] <tsoome> 6 way mirror? .oO :D[14:55:27] *** nikolam <nikolam!~nikolam@unaffiliated/nikolam> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[14:57:59] *** nikolam <nikolam!~nikolam@unaffiliated/nikolam> has joined #illumos[15:06:12] <Krotiz> just for data wiping old disks[15:06:18] <Krotiz> and seeing if they are fucked or not[15:06:28] <Krotiz> so i can use them in production[15:06:30] <Krotiz> (homelab)[15:06:45] <tsoome> ah in that case you can just try it out:)[15:11:44] <Krotiz> hehe yes[15:11:49] <Krotiz> i have done 4 at once[15:11:59] <Krotiz> going at 114M/s[15:12:13] <Krotiz> its already done 1.6T[15:12:35] <Krotiz> er[15:12:38] <Krotiz> i mean .6T[15:12:42] <Krotiz> dunno where i got the 1 from[15:13:03] <Krotiz> anyway almost finished[15:20:35] *** aaro <aaro!~aaro@unaffiliated/xyox/x-040147> has joined #illumos[15:30:46] *** Kurlon <Kurlon!~Kurlon@68-113-146-141.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com> has joined #illumos[15:30:48] *** Kurlon <Kurlon!~Kurlon@68-113-146-141.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[15:31:26] *** Kurlon <Kurlon!~Kurlon@bidd-pub-03.gwi.net> has joined #illumos[15:44:39] *** chromatin <chromatin!~chromatin@d149-67-249-75.try.wideopenwest.com> has joined #illumos[15:53:27] <Krotiz> and i accidentally knocked the power cable out[15:53:40] <Krotiz> dont think it resets it tho[16:05:51] *** Kurlon 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<aaro!~aaro@unaffiliated/xyox/x-040147> has joined #illumos[18:56:30] *** chromatin <chromatin!~chromatin@d149-67-249-75.try.wideopenwest.com> has quit IRC (Quit: chromatin)[19:13:14] <Krotiz> got a q here, if i have 4 disks resilvering in a mirror, and i pull a drive thats resilvering and put in a new drive, will all the disks stop resilvering and will they start from scratch?[19:13:46] <Krotiz> or will it restart, but detect that the data is there and skip the percentage thats done on the other 3 drives and fill the 4th?[19:13:46] *** carlomagno1 <carlomagno1!~cmagno@inet-hqmc04-o.oracle.com> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[19:16:03] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@218.88.85.182> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[19:24:11] <pcd> sjorge: we definitely worked on device removal[19:36:03] *** aaro <aaro!~aaro@unaffiliated/xyox/x-040147> has quit IRC (Quit: aaro)[20:04:13] *** chromatin <chromatin!~chromatin@d149-67-249-75.try.wideopenwest.com> has joined 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IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[22:04:40] <trisk> Krotiz: I believe the resilvering starts independently for each mirror device[22:05:59] *** carlomagno <carlomagno!~cmagno@inet-hqmc07-o.oracle.com> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[22:06:38] <trisk> (since if you online an offlined device, resilvering starts from where that device left off)[22:07:14] *** matejz <matejz!~matejz@element.planetq.org> has quit IRC (Quit: matejz)[22:14:15] *** Riastradh <Riastradh!~riastradh@netbsd/developer/riastradh> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[22:17:33] *** bahamat <bahamat!~bahamat@ip72-199-207-63.sd.sd.cox.net> has joined #illumos[22:20:00] *** ed209 <ed209!~ed209@165.225.128.67> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[22:20:06] *** ed209 <ed209!~ed209@165.225.128.67> has joined #illumos[22:23:34] *** Kelzier <Kelzier!~duka@77.105.56.159> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[22:24:03] *** Kelzier <Kelzier!~duka@77.105.56.159> has joined #illumos[22:25:16] <Krotiz> i 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