July 8, 2016 
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July 8, 2016 [00:04:30] *** makruger <makruger!~Michael@c-65-96-193-9.hsd1.vt.comcast.net> has joined #illumos[00:17:21] *** tdowg1 <tdowg1!~quassel@pool-68-134-194-81.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net> has joined #illumos[00:37:33] <anniz> binary trees are almost universally slower than hash tables for this purpose, but i dont think that matters in this case :)[00:38:14] <anniz> (reason being that the tree traversal by definition branch predicts really poorly, 0.5/0.5 taken/not taken...)[00:39:09] <anniz> in fact up to N=something a linear search is faster[00:40:20] <LeftWing> Right, but they're relatively simple to use and don't require tuning, and I would not solve a performance problem that I don't have yet.[00:40:45] <anniz> yes see first line i wrote :)[00:40:55] <LeftWing> Aye.[00:43:48] *** Kelzier <Kelzier!~duka@77.105.56.159> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[00:44:30] *** Kelzier <Kelzier!~duka@77.105.56.159> has joined #illumos[00:47:35] *** Bryson <Bryson!~bryson@ip68-108-89-198.lv.lv.cox.net> has joined #illumos[01:04:03] *** joltman <joltman!~znc@unaffiliated/joltman> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[01:04:15] *** john51 <john51!~john@15255.s.time4vps.eu> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[01:04:35] *** john51 <john51!~john@15255.s.t4vps.eu> has joined #illumos[01:06:26] *** hecsa <hecsa!~hecsa@190.192.133.35> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)[01:08:47] *** freqlabs <freqlabs!~TheAnime@theanime.freqlabs.com> has quit IRC (Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.)[01:09:09] *** freqlabs <freqlabs!~TheAnime@theanime.freqlabs.com> has joined #illumos[01:09:47] <npx> Yeah with just 34 built-in modules I think I can just enumerate them and avoid doing it entirely if it's a require('*.js')[01:10:56] <npx> or rather enumerate a HASH('v8') function[01:14:01] <nbjoerg> anniz: for a well written tree, the search does not require branch prediction[01:14:55] <nbjoerg> npx: can't you just sort the list?[01:15:25] <npx> not sure I follow?[01:15:42] <nbjoerg> sorted array and plain binary search :)[01:16:55] *** shruti <shruti!shruti@nat/redhat/x-hrmmhpsphzosbhpz> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[01:18:49] *** hecsa <hecsa!~hecsa@vpn2.ajc.bz> has joined #illumos[01:19:14] *** shruti <shruti!shruti@nat/redhat/x-zahifjasziqmesno> has joined #illumos[01:19:49] <LeftWing> npx: For what it's worth, require() is (I believe) a _Javascript_ function.[01:20:34] *** andy_js <andy_js!~andy@90.219.225.136> has quit IRC (Quit: andy_js)[01:20:43] <LeftWing> It probably makes more sense to focus on implementing the functions that are exposed via "process.binding()", which are native functions, and then running the existing Node JS standard library on top.[01:27:17] *** merzo <merzo!~merzo@183-108-134-95.pool.ukrtel.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[01:30:39] *** theason_ <theason_!~theason@207.65.77.126> has quit IRC ()[01:31:26] *** john51_ <john51_!~john@15255.s.t4vps.eu> has joined #illumos[01:33:25] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@111.206.190.205> has joined #illumos[01:33:42] *** john51 <john51!~john@15255.s.t4vps.eu> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[01:35:45] *** Bryson <Bryson!~bryson@ip68-108-89-198.lv.lv.cox.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Bryson)[01:45:53] *** joltman <joltman!~znc@unaffiliated/joltman> has joined #illumos[01:54:18] *** pmooney <pmooney!~pmooney@50-93-248-179.fttp.usinternet.com> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 1.5)[02:03:42] *** Kelzier <Kelzier!~duka@77.105.56.159> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[02:05:33] *** hecsa <hecsa!~hecsa@vpn2.ajc.bz> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[02:10:06] *** nikolam <nikolam!~nikolam@unaffiliated/nikolam> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[02:12:18] *** nikolam <nikolam!~nikolam@unaffiliated/nikolam> has joined #illumos[02:13:04] *** tim-tang <tim-tang!~tim_tang@49.72.139.72> has joined #illumos[02:21:50] *** hecsa <hecsa!~hecsa@190.192.133.35> has joined #illumos[02:37:15] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@111.206.190.205> has quit IRC (Quit: tozhu)[02:50:33] *** rmesta <rmesta!~rmesta@cpe-70-114-131-66.austin.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[02:53:32] <npx> LeftWing, duktape is like 10x slower at running JS than V8 (though it may grow a jit and es6 support), a really simplistic C binding looks like https://github.com/hypoalex/mininode/blob/master/src/modules/console/console.c - that actually works (the binary size comparison to node is favorable hah) http://sprunge.us/RJjS[02:55:51] *** makruger <makruger!~Michael@c-65-96-193-9.hsd1.vt.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[02:55:54] <npx> if most of the stdlib were C I think it'd really be a defensible "this doesn't suck" kinda thing[02:58:39] *** v_a_b <v_a_b!~volker@p5B371161.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[03:02:08] *** v_a_b <v_a_b!~volker@p5B3712C6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #illumos[03:07:52] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@111.206.190.205> has joined #illumos[03:20:00] *** ed209 <ed209!~ed209@165.225.128.67> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[03:20:07] *** ed209 <ed209!~ed209@165.225.128.67> has joined #illumos[03:37:01] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@111.206.190.205> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[03:38:26] *** potatosalad <potatosalad!~potatosal@69.20.161.247> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)[03:41:45] <npx> Just found out about https://github.com/Samsung/jerryscript hahah[03:44:02] *** ira <ira!~ira@samba/team/ira> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[03:47:35] *** potatosalad <potatosalad!~potatosal@69.20.161.247> has joined #illumos[03:48:13] *** ipalreadytaken <ipalreadytaken!~ipalready@108-232-26-171.lightspeed.sndgca.sbcglobal.net> has joined #illumos[03:53:00] *** potatosalad <potatosalad!~potatosal@69.20.161.247> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[04:00:43] *** baetheus <baetheus!~brandon@null.pub> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[04:02:41] *** baetheus <baetheus!~brandon@192.95.29.161> has joined #illumos[04:03:33] <npx> I think musl + duktape + ES6 support + a jit for duktape bytecode + static compilation + -Os + C implementation of Node API is the way to do it, and it'd probably end up outperforming mainline Node if the jit were even decent[04:10:28] *** potatosalad <potatosalad!~potatosal@69.20.161.247> has joined #illumos[04:11:00] *** happy-dude <happy-dude!uid62780@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fhbdrudfrogcjwpy> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)[04:14:27] *** n2deep <n2deep!n2deep@odin.sdf-eu.org> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[04:14:51] *** potatosalad <potatosalad!~potatosal@69.20.161.247> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[04:15:00] *** shyu <shyu!~Frank@180.173.197.145> has joined #illumos[04:17:18] *** ipalreadytaken <ipalreadytaken!~ipalready@108-232-26-171.lightspeed.sndgca.sbcglobal.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[04:20:14] *** ipalreadytaken <ipalreadytaken!~ipalready@108-232-26-171.lightspeed.sndgca.sbcglobal.net> has joined #illumos[04:30:26] <npx> http://samsung.github.io/jerryscript/internals/ - I think their bytecode format is specced out a bit better, but the duktape API is fleshed out way better (very lua style)[04:37:38] *** potatosalad <potatosalad!~potatosal@69.20.161.247> has joined #illumos[04:42:47] *** melloc <melloc!~melloc@208.184.5.170> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[04:44:27] *** potatosalad <potatosalad!~potatosal@69.20.161.247> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[04:55:34] *** Riastradh <Riastradh!~riastradh@netbsd/developer/riastradh> has joined #illumos[05:00:24] *** jbk <jbk!jbk@syzygy.io> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[05:00:46] *** jbk <jbk!jbk@syzygy.io> has joined #illumos[05:03:03] *** potatosalad <potatosalad!~potatosal@69.20.161.247> has joined #illumos[05:08:08] *** Kurlon <Kurlon!~Kurlon@bidd-pub-03.gwi.net> has joined #illumos[05:13:11] *** Kurlon <Kurlon!~Kurlon@bidd-pub-03.gwi.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[05:13:17] *** Kurlon_ <Kurlon_!~Kurlon@bidd-pub-03.gwi.net> has joined #illumos[05:21:24] *** dap_ <dap_!~dap@208.184.5.170> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[05:23:17] *** Calibell_ <Calibell_!~Calibellu@108.61.228.82> has joined #illumos[05:28:32] *** melloc <melloc!~melloc@75-54-22-158.lightspeed.snbuca.sbcglobal.net> has joined #illumos[05:29:42] <LeftWing> ES6 is honestly pretty bloody awful.[05:29:51] *** potatosalad <potatosalad!~potatosal@69.20.161.247> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[05:30:40] <npx> I'm not that into classes but for(let i =0;i<10;i++) is nice imho, 'let' for lexically scoped variables[05:31:53] <LeftWing> Sure, lexically scoped variables seems fine. It's more all of the other nonsense like Promises that are extremely ill-advised.[05:34:24] <LeftWing> And I think that if the standard library were in C, you'd not actually end up being compatible. There's not really a specification for the Node standard library -- the only real way to be compatible is to actually run the code that _is_ Node.[05:36:19] <npx> like setTimeout could definitely work but it'd be very touch and go with like http.createServer where things might rely on being able to access the prototype[05:37:43] <LeftWing> It _might_ work. It'd be a tremendous pain, though, because there isn't a specification. Just some documentation that doesn't fully describe how the API works. All of the implicit behaviour inherent in the "real" Node implementation you'd need to somehow figure out and duplicate, and then keep track of as that code evolves. And there's quite a bit of churn these days.[05:38:34] <LeftWing> There's a reason that there's not really a second, compatible Node implementation.[05:39:48] *** hecsa <hecsa!~hecsa@190.192.133.35> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[05:41:55] <npx> I was really shocked that there isn't a test suite, I just kinda assumed there was.[05:42:15] <LeftWing> There is a test suite.[05:42:50] <npx> Link? Googling "node.js test suite" is kinda fruitless hah[05:43:06] <LeftWing> It's in the repo. Something like "make test".[05:43:17] <npx> oh in the tree[05:43:40] <LeftWing> Yes.[05:43:54] <konobi> LeftWing: except for the microsoft js engine version of node[05:44:29] <LeftWing> konobi: To the extent that it's compatible, it's because they're _running node_.[05:44:54] <LeftWing> That is: they are shipping the Javascript source that is Node's "lib/" directory, and have reimplemented some of the underneath bits.[05:45:23] <LeftWing> I think they even did a V8 C++ compatibility shim so that existing native modules would sort of work, which is terrifying.[05:45:52] <LeftWing> (And also frivolous in the long term: the V8 API changes about once every half hour)[05:57:47] <npx> I can see it being useful if it could run koa or restify with like 512kb RAM but yeah, kinda marginal if it didn't actually work with arbitrary npm modules[06:09:03] <konobi> LeftWing: yeah... is one of the reasons I've been looking at luajit/luvit and terralang[06:14:03] *** Kurlon_ <Kurlon_!~Kurlon@bidd-pub-03.gwi.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[06:14:24] *** Calibell_ <Calibell_!~Calibellu@108.61.228.82> has quit IRC (Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com)[06:17:57] *** Riastradh <Riastradh!~riastradh@netbsd/developer/riastradh> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[06:22:46] *** matejz <matejz!~matejz@element.planetq.org> has joined #illumos[06:23:45] *** ipalreadytaken <ipalreadytaken!~ipalready@108-232-26-171.lightspeed.sndgca.sbcglobal.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[06:24:22] *** theason <theason!~theason@207.65.77.126> has joined #illumos[06:25:27] *** matejz <matejz!~matejz@element.planetq.org> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[06:33:27] *** bahamat_ <bahamat_!~bahamat@ip72-199-207-63.sd.sd.cox.net> has quit IRC (Excess Flood)[06:34:06] *** bahamat <bahamat!~bahamat@ip72-199-207-63.sd.sd.cox.net> has joined #illumos[06:43:36] *** potatosalad <potatosalad!~potatosal@69.20.161.247> has joined #illumos[06:45:50] *** potatosalad <potatosalad!~potatosal@69.20.161.247> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[06:49:51] *** leoric <leoric!~leoric@46.147.117.188> has joined #illumos[06:56:57] *** potatosalad <potatosalad!~potatosal@69.20.161.247> has joined #illumos[07:00:16] *** ipalreadytaken <ipalreadytaken!~ipalready@108-232-26-171.lightspeed.sndgca.sbcglobal.net> has joined #illumos[07:01:41] *** jelmd <jelmd!~jelmd@p548C0AE8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Quit: jelmd)[07:15:54] *** potatosalad <potatosalad!~potatosal@69.20.161.247> has quit IRC (Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)[07:22:41] <npx> rather than thinking like, "full fledged Node.js replacement" I think an almost totally Node compatible API on this would be really useful https://www.artik.io/modules/overview/artik-1/[07:23:26] <npx> they're using that goofy Nucleus RTOS thing and support Fedora on the larger boards but they could really run Alpine on both of them[07:25:46] *** potatosalad <potatosalad!~potatosal@69.20.161.247> has joined #illumos[07:27:13] <npx> like this iotjs thing but... the Node API and something like https://github.com/Samsung/iotjs/wiki/GPIO-API-candidate[07:28:21] *** jfqd1 <jfqd1!~Adium@pD95DC040.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #illumos[07:46:48] *** potatosalad <potatosalad!~potatosal@69.20.161.247> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[08:11:17] *** mhicks <mhicks!~Adium@ip72-192-178-150.sd.sd.cox.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[08:21:08] *** leoric <leoric!~leoric@46.147.117.188> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[08:30:47] *** anniz <anniz!~anniz@host-95-197-30-130.mobileonline.telia.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[08:32:33] *** tsoome <tsoome!~tsoome@220-90-235-80.dyn.estpak.ee> has quit IRC (Quit: tsoome)[08:32:55] *** bahamat <bahamat!~bahamat@ip72-199-207-63.sd.sd.cox.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[08:34:22] *** bahamat <bahamat!~bahamat@ip72-199-207-63.sd.sd.cox.net> has joined #illumos[08:50:31] *** bahamat <bahamat!~bahamat@ip72-199-207-63.sd.sd.cox.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[09:03:07] *** tsoome <tsoome!~tsoome@73-11-196-88.dyn.estpak.ee> has joined #illumos[09:05:45] <npx> so maybe Linux in 1MB RAM is a bit ambitious but http://nuttx.org/ is totally a thing. It could fit in like ~64K and run on the 80mhz core leaving most of 1MB and 250mhz for javascript, which is kinda plenty[09:07:06] <konobi> npx: well, there's the tessel which you write node for, but it gets turned into lua to be run on the microcontroller[09:08:16] <npx> that thing is huge hahah[09:08:39] <konobi> npx: luvit has a node api (just not in JS)[09:09:09] <npx> hadn't heard of the tessel though it is neat[09:10:08] <npx> seems underpowered and overpriced[09:13:32] <npx> like if you went to china and ordered that hardware in any volume it'd be like $2.50 per unit[09:13:36] <npx> if that[09:15:56] *** Kelzier <Kelzier!~duka@77.105.56.159> has joined #illumos[09:18:00] *** joltman <joltman!~znc@unaffiliated/joltman> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[09:31:51] *** bahamat <bahamat!~bahamat@ip72-199-207-63.sd.sd.cox.net> has joined #illumos[09:43:52] *** bahamat <bahamat!~bahamat@ip72-199-207-63.sd.sd.cox.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[09:48:57] *** 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under there[15:41:44] <andy_js> Yeah I just confirmed on omni.[15:41:46] <richlowe> so users may have used it.[15:41:56] <richlowe> (You can tell I've never done that)[15:42:01] <richlowe> I just remember alanc telling me to once in like, 2008[15:43:27] <andy_js> Perhaps a flag day would do the trick?[15:43:56] <andy_js> alp: Your change looks fine to me.[15:44:35] *** Kurlon <Kurlon!~Kurlon@68-113-146-141.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[15:46:37] <alp> richlowe: do you suggest adding /usr/share/hal to existing search path?[15:47:42] *** Kurlon <Kurlon!~Kurlon@68-113-146-141.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com> has joined #illumos[15:47:47] *** Kurlon <Kurlon!~Kurlon@68-113-146-141.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[15:48:10] <richlowe> I... don't know?[15:48:24] *** Kurlon <Kurlon!~Kurlon@bidd-pub-03.gwi.net> has joined #illumos[15:48:31] <richlowe> keeping whatever directory, if any, was user-customizable working seems like a nice thing to do.[15:56:32] *** Kurlon <Kurlon!~Kurlon@bidd-pub-03.gwi.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[15:58:40] *** jelmd_ <jelmd_!~jelmd@p548C17E2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #illumos[16:00:34] <alp> richlowe: something like this ? http://buildzone.oi-build.r61.net/webrev-7174/[16:00:41] *** rmesta <rmesta!~rmesta@cpe-70-114-131-66.austin.res.rr.com> has joined #illumos[16:01:00] *** jelmd <jelmd!~jelmd@p548C1DD7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[16:01:00] *** jelmd_ is now known as jelmd[16:01:10] <alp> no, sorry[16:05:36] <alp> richlowe: updated webrev[16:06:58] *** potatosalad <potatosalad!~potatosal@69.20.161.247> has joined #illumos[16:07:26] *** mhicks <mhicks!~Adium@ip72-192-178-150.sd.sd.cox.net> has joined #illumos[16:08:23] <alp> confirmed that updated hal looks for fdi files in all /usr/lib/hal/fdi, /usr/share/hal/fdi, /etc/hal/fdi directories[16:09:54] *** jelmd_ <jelmd_!~jelmd@p548C1D64.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has 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Count me as a reviwer.[16:12:55] <andy_js> *reviewer.[16:13:02] <alp> thx[16:15:15] *** jelmd_ <jelmd_!~jelmd@p548C0681.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #illumos[16:17:10] *** jelmd <jelmd!~jelmd@p548C1D64.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)[16:17:10] *** jelmd_ is now known as jelmd[16:17:20] *** alp <alp!~alp@pyhalov.cc.rsu.ru> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[16:19:12] *** jfqd1 <jfqd1!~Adium@pD95DC040.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[16:22:35] *** jelmd_ <jelmd_!~jelmd@p548C0A8F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #illumos[16:25:00] *** tim-tang <tim-tang!~tim_tang@58.208.65.36> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[16:25:03] *** jelmd <jelmd!~jelmd@p548C0681.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[16:25:03] *** jelmd_ is now known as jelmd[16:27:05] *** tsoome <tsoome!~tsoome@220-90-235-80.dyn.estpak.ee> has joined #illumos[16:27:53] *** jelmd_ <jelmd_!~jelmd@p548C08F9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #illumos[16:29:50] *** jelmd <jelmd!~jelmd@p548C0A8F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)[16:29:50] *** jelmd_ is now known as jelmd[16:31:48] <denk> a specific solaris programming question: I need to determine max number of threads per process, sysconf(_SC_THREAD_THREADS_MAX) returns -1, where am I wrong? (sorry if this question is off-topic here)[16:36:04] <richlowe> denk: see the bottom of sysconf(3C), we return -1 because there's no real maximum[16:36:25] <richlowe> you'd need/want to check the rctls and such.[16:36:30] <richlowe> and/or just deal with failure.[16:37:36] <denk> that means that I undertood the man page correctly, thanks for the answer[16:39:20] *** TyrfingMjolnir <TyrfingMjolnir!~Tyrfing@62.92.82.250> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)[16:46:02] *** jelmd_ <jelmd_!~jelmd@p548C0A14.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #illumos[16:46:49] *** jelmd <jelmd!~jelmd@p548C08F9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[16:46:49] *** jelmd_ is now known as jelmd[17:02:17] *** jelmd_ <jelmd_!~jelmd@p548C1EFC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #illumos[17:03:26] *** TyrfingMjolnir <TyrfingMjolnir!~Tyrfing@62.92.82.250> has joined #illumos[17:03:27] *** jelmd <jelmd!~jelmd@p548C0A14.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[17:03:27] *** jelmd_ is now known as jelmd[17:06:03] *** Kurlon <Kurlon!~Kurlon@bidd-pub-03.gwi.net> has joined #illumos[17:11:26] <jbk> yes, be sure to account for thread creation failure :)[17:11:56] <jbk> at $JOB-2, we got bit by a libc bug in s10's aio code that didn't do that :P[17:12:27] *** potatosalad <potatosalad!~potatosal@69.20.161.247> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[17:12:49] <rmustacc> richlowe: Have you looked at the dtrace linking issue on developer?[17:12:57] *** Kurlon <Kurlon!~Kurlon@bidd-pub-03.gwi.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[17:14:07] <richlowe> I replied to him off list with some further patches I have around.[17:14:15] <richlowe> but I didn't actually look into his problem.[17:14:20] <richlowe> I know strhyphenate has bit me before[17:14:24] <richlowe> probably in the ld/dtrace branch.[17:14:34] <richlowe> but libdtrace's use of libelf is just generally criminal[17:14:35] *** potatosalad <potatosalad!~potatosal@69.20.161.247> has joined #illumos[17:14:37] <richlowe> so it wouldn't surprise me[17:14:50] <richlowe> I have some fixes from the FreeBSD guy that I don't know why didn't get pushed, and some further fixes of my own (that's what I sent to palo)[17:16:21] <richlowe> but I don't have any real interest in understanding binutils[17:16:33] <rmustacc> Seems like it could in theory not do that, but it feels like a can of worms in the rest of dtrace for discovery, listing, etc.[17:16:42] <richlowe> so I'm more than happy to join him in blaming dtrace[17:17:25] <richlowe> I'm sort of interested in whether one of my fixes saves him, only better[17:17:38] <richlowe> because the stuff the FreebSD guy and I fixed were it generally fucking up offsets left and right in certain circumstances.[17:17:56] <richlowe> which could certainly leave the strtab looking all kinds of confused.[17:18:33] <richlowe> https://gist.github.com/richlowe/f4379ce4314e17d140023e7d7530c868[17:18:45] <richlowe> I have no idea why I seem to have approved the DTrace's guys fixes then never pushed them.[17:18:51] <richlowe> maybe an artifact of the branch I took that out of[17:19:29] <richlowe> or maybe because my fixes stack on his, and he never got back to me or something. :\[17:19:35] <richlowe> so much stuff gets left on the floor[17:20:16] <richlowe> notice it fucking up st_name offsets (either because of the first patch, or in general)[17:20:55] <rmustacc> Sigh.[17:25:39] *** Kelzier <Kelzier!~duka@77.105.56.159> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[17:26:34] *** Kelzier <Kelzier!~duka@77.105.56.159> has joined #illumos[17:35:04] *** potatosalad <potatosalad!~potatosal@69.20.161.247> has quit IRC (Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. 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(e.g. my smartos boxes get rebooted every 2 weeks give or take, but take a moth or more to fill up l2arc)[19:36:05] <sjorge> gtr though, dinner time[19:36:15] <pcd> have we finished persistent l2arc?[19:36:19] <rmustacc> tsoome: What're you seeing?[19:36:36] <richlowe> wasn't persistent l2arc nexenta?[19:36:38] <rmustacc> pcd: I didn't even think Delphix was working on it.[19:36:44] <rmustacc> Yeah, I thought it was Saso?[19:36:50] <pcd> rmustacc: I know we talked about it, I have no idea if we worked on it[19:36:58] *** zmalone <zmalone!cf6d3566@gateway/web/freenode/ip.207.109.53.102> has joined #illumos[19:37:09] <richlowe> I kinda assumed it just vanished into one of their cycles of being crazy people[19:38:07] <tsoome> rmustacc: getting some better terminal emulator for loader:P[19:38:39] <richlowe> rmustacc: Palo says my fixes don't fix his problem[19:38:52] <richlowe> which is a shame, since I'd hoped it was the strtab screwups.[19:39:11] *** wacki <wacki!~andreas@p200300454656BE0042A8F0FFFE63E17C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #illumos[19:39:29] <rmustacc> That's a shame.[19:45:12] <PMT> god, this illumos-gate build is going to take quite some time to test.[19:47:06] *** zmalone <zmalone!cf6d3566@gateway/web/freenode/ip.207.109.53.102> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[19:52:33] *** gila <gila!~textual@5ED4FE92.cm-7-5d.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[19:54:05] *** pmooney <pmooney!~pmooney@173-11-44-141-Minnesota.hfc.comcastbusiness.net> has joined #illumos[19:57:01] *** melloc <melloc!~melloc@208.184.5.170> has joined #illumos[20:06:36] <rmustacc> tsoome: Ah, gotcha. I think I also tripped over your SMCI reboot bug.[20:06:57] <tsoome> ou[20:07:02] <tsoome> howcome?[20:07:20] <rmustacc> I just mean I think I hit the same bug.[20:07:29] <rmustacc> But need to reboot onto bits with your fix.[20:07:35] <rmustacc> Hung after a panic on early boot on a new box.[20:08:37] <tsoome> yea, but that code path is for uefi and unless you have some secret bits, you shouldn’t get on that particular code path;)[20:09:18] <tsoome> ah, if its early panic, the acpi reset is not there and code will reach pc reset method...[20:10:45] <tsoome> perhaps we could detect acpica availability in some better way, other than bootops check…[20:11:14] <tsoome> altho if its very early, the acpica is still not there… :)[20:13:56] *** potatosalad <potatosalad!~potatosal@69.20.161.247> has quit IRC (Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. 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